Nash...schizophrenic....or psychic?

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WOW! I too have wondered if the mentally ill are really 'ill'. I have

suspected that they just know more. What is unfortunate is that these

individuals are 'medicated', and not 'studied'. I believe there is much to

learn from others, and when the norm, isn't participated in, by those who

appear 'ill' or 'different' they are classified as sick, or 'not equal to the

norm. WHY? Why are these people not studied, instead of medicated.

I understand the effects of stress, and their symptoms, and the symptoms are

'treated' medically. It is so wonderful that we are now seeing the

change-over to the old addage --'with future medicine, there will be no

medicine', something like that by Aristotle or ?? We are truely NOW, at an

exciting time of discovery.

Let's continue to share what we are learning. Rose

Thank you for that wonderful post.

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Hi All,

I saw the biographical movie on John Forbes Nash Jr. last weekend....A

Beautiful Mind. I liked it so much that I have ordered the book, which is on

it's way. There were a few things that I have been mulling over in my mind

since.

Nash has said, in answer to the question of why he couldn't tell that the

voices he was hearing were crazy, that it was because those voices were the

same ones that gave him the mathematical solutions (one of which earned him

the Nobel prize). I find that answer fascinating, and it raises many

questions within me.

I myself have seen people out of the corner of my eye....people who seem

to be real until I turn my full attention to them. I myself have heard

voices since I was a child. Does that mean that I have a touch of

schizophrenia?? Is it possible, I wonder, that perhaps Nash was so open that

he was getting information and seeing people from other dimensions? Is it

possible that he was simply far more 'open' than the average person, but had

no way of dealing with it?

One of the things Nash said in his speech when he accepted the Nobel, was

'who is it that gets to decide what is reasonable?' or something like that.

Good question. Who is it that gets to decide what is 'normal'? We only

use....what...2% of our brains? What would a person be like who used a

larger %? How would they appear to us? Would they even be able to function

in a world filled with 'little brains?'. Would we think they were crazy?

Dean Koontz wrote a book fairly recently, called From the Corner of His

Eye. I don't normally read Koontz anymore, but felt impelled to pick up

this book. It turns out that it is about a child who can 'feel' the other

dimensions.....he can walk in the rain and not get wet because he 'walks

where the rain isn't'. The idea being that with every choice that we make, a

part of us is taking the road of the opposite choice, so that by the end of

our lives, these paths branch out from the road we started on, to look like

a tree, and then we are judged at the end by how our 'tree' looks.......did

we refuse to make choices, leaving a stunted tree? Or is our tree full

branched? Of course the idea of parts of us living a different reality is

not new....one only has to read the Seth books to find similar ideas. I

myself hear audible 'clicks' in my head whenever I make a crucial decision,

so it's not outside of my realm of reality to believe that perhaps that

click indicated a splitting off of part of my soul, which would then go on

to experience the path I chose not to take.

But, where would these alternate paths be, if not in different

dimensions....not just one or two others, but a hundred or a thousand

different dimensions co-existing? And if one was really 'in tune', wouldn't

they be able to see these other realities at times? And wouldn't it make you

'crazy' if you didn't understand what you were looking at, and weren't able

to distinguish between the realities?

So...in viewing this movie about Nash, with regards to the ideas in

Koontz's book.....if the mathematical solutions that were amazing enough and

revolutionary enough to win him the Nobel prize, and his halucinations came

from the Same Place..... was he perhaps a particularly gifted

claivoyant/clairaudient? Is what we perceive to be crazy Always crazy? Or a

lack of understanding and knowledge on our parts? In a more enlightened

world, could Nash have been taken by the hand and led into that more fully

for deeper understanding?

Just some thoughts. :-) Renee

 

 

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I believe that as we grow in understanding of the human ego, we will learn to

'open' to other possibilities in consciousness. Opening, is new. It is

letting go, of 'human' understanding, and seeking the 'spiritual'. Within

that realm of the 'spirit', there is much to learn. Those who may be 'closer

to that realm', --may have experiences that would appear strange to us, as we

do not have this ability or 'clearance' to --go with it. Social, family, and

educational institutions, go with what they 'know'. In the 'spiritual

realm', --we go with what we 'get', and 'getting is our own 'Blessing'. Who

are we, as humans, to judge those that just might be, more 'spiritually,

--'Blessed' that we are, i.e., schizophrenic, Autistic (often --proven far

superior in intelligence), and 'other' mental --'illness' --diagnosis.

Our 'labels' should be stripped from our language, --and we should begin to

--simply love one another. We just might be surprised what we will learn.

Perhaps we are far 'inferior'! Rose

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I have also wondered about mentally ill people. Are they really

sick, or just more sensitive to things " normal " people do not see and

hear? I have a brother who is schizophrenic. Before he started his

medication, and became more " normal " , I often wondered who, (or what)

he was speaking to. He was always extremely religious, more than

anyone else in our family.

 

It was neat for me to hear other people discuss the possiblity

that " mentally ill " people may not be " crazy " . I always thought that

I was the only one who doubted it.

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You might be interested in Carl Jung's work. He is much more inclusive.

' Memories, Dreams and Reflections' is a good place to start. It will

open a new world for you, then anything by John Sanford. especially

'Healing and Wholeness.'

 

Celeste

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[Guest guest]

Thoroughly enjoyed your post. I haven't seen the movie yet but am a

Pastoral Counselor and completely believe, and have had, many experiences

like you describe. You might enjoy Carl Jung's work, (e.g., Memories,

Dreams and Reflections is good place to start and will lead you on to

many other works by others---John Sanford is a great one.) Art Bell (on

WLS talk radio and website) often has guests who talk about shadow

people. That might also relate to your experience.

 

God bless on your journey. 'There are more things in heaven and Earth,

Horatio, than are dreamt of your philosophy.' Shakespeare

 

Celeste

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