Guest guest Posted January 10, 2002 Report Share Posted January 10, 2002 Linda and Celeste... Thank you so much for your healing energy and kind words...and actually my father barely stayed in the hospital for the 2 days he was there...not fond of doctors or hospitals...also he's been depressed and blah since last Christmas when my mom died...he's bored and every once in a while expresses the desire to " give up " . But he's home now...and we're working with him again...needs therapy etc...so there's a very good chance he can recover fully, but much is up to him. Thanks again to you both... Katy Master Herbalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 You're right that alot is up to him but he needs to go through different stages even if he ends up fighting. It's hard to know when to be patient and when to push. My husband had a massive brain hemorrhage in 1995 and about the only thing you can do is to be sensitive to their needs with a little prodding. If he doesn't fight it may be his time to shut down---so hard to tell. God bless and keep you both. Celeste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 ok thanks for the suggestions!!! Best wishes Rick Chinese Medicine wrote: There are 8 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. RE: Menopause 2. RE: spina bifida and toes 3. Re: Book on pain " Tom Verhaeghe " 4. Re: Digest Number 825 TashiDelay 5. RE: Book on pain 6. Re: Book on pain " kampo36 " 7. TCM library in Paris? " kampo36 " 8. Re: insurance terminology " Todd Larlee L.Ac. " ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:41:42 +1000 RE: Menopause Hi John, I have come to the conclusion that for many menopause usually has a strong element of adrenal exhaustion. Menopause is the time a woman in western society can fall apart with endorsement. Particularly good points to consider are Kid pts, for example consider, Kid 7, 8 or 9 and Kid backshu. Palpate for tenderness and emptiness. Also Kid 16 and 27. And I would recommend very light needling, ie type of needle, depth, short duration ie less than 10 minutes. You can also look at the adrenal ear points as well (see Terry Olsen). If you want more specific advice consider Kiiko Matsumoto book (see her web site). She has excellent treatment strategies for menopause with DD according to adrenal type and spleen xu type as well +/- thyroid, incontinence, tubal ligation, abortion and much more. If you look at it from a western point of view, then you are looking at the relative balance between oestrogen, progesterone, testosterone and adrenal / thyroid / pancreatic hormones (a little bit simplified I know). When women are stressed they steal the progesterone which is off setting the oestrogen to feed the adrenals. Then we appear to have either a relative or, real oestrogen dominance. Add to this the high intake of soy and other phytoestrogens, plus the plastics that act like oestrogen and we can have a pretty ugly hormonal imbalance. Please realise that there are only two main symptoms of oestrogen xu, night sweats and dry vagina. As a last resort, look at the Australian Menopause Institute for your Px. They offer over the phone bulked billed doctor consultations; use only chemical identical hormones, including all three estrogens, their aim is to have the Px off external hormone replacement within 2 years and they also aim to address the adrenals. They welcome natural therapist to take case Hx and to partake in the phone consultation etc and monthly reviews or Px can do this direct. The hormones are sent monthly at about Aus$85 irrespective of which hormones and how much, and if in the right medical benefits fund can claim an amount back. If a saliva hormone test is required this is bulked billed. Now I have NOT sent anyone there yet, however, I am tempted to send my existing Px who are on an artificial HRT programme. I would not hesitate to send that woman, who was totally sleep deprived, loosing too much fluid in sweats etc. or that woman who just does not respond to treatment. Best wishes, John Chow [vajra_master] Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:02 PM Chinese Medicine Menopause Hello all, A patient is suffering all the typical symptoms of menopause, eg., hot flushes that come and go at anytime of the day or night, tidal fever, evening heat, insomnia, profuse sweating, irritability, fatigue etc. Any nice herbal and acupuncture prescriptions other than those very standard ones like Liu Wei Di Huang Wan, Zuo/You Gui Wan, Tian Wan Bu Xing Wan, etc, and KI-3, KI-6, SP-6, BL-23, PC-7 etc? Would also like to hear actual experiences in treating this type of problems. Thanks in advance. John Chow Australia _________ ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 I agree with John. I have also seen lots and lots of patients and teach a weekend on menopause. One of the key issues I have found with practitioners is lack of differential diagnosis. It's important to remember or learn that all the symptoms you mentioned: the tidal fevers, insomnia and sweating may not be symptoms of Kidney Yin Deficiency or Yin Deficiency at all. The proof would be in the rest of the differential diagnosis, especially the tongue. There is lots of evidence that empty heat can be there with no Yin Deficiency. The way I do it in the clinic is to differentiate the heat as John is suggesting - between empty and full. If it is empty heat, I ask myself " What is empty " ? It could be Qi, Blood, Yang or Yin. I refer you to a wonderful case of Ye Tian Shi that Bob Damone teaches in which the Dr. erroneously enriches the Yin to treat empty fire and then corrects himself, using herbs to absorb the fire back to it's root instead. This lecture can be purchased through Chinese Herbal Medicine. In general, if all the menopause cases are treated with Liu Wei Di Huang Tang and Tian Wang Bu Xin Dan, the results will be limited. Good luck Sharon Weizenbaum On Jan 6, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Chinese Medicine wrote: > Any nice herbal and acupuncture prescriptions other > > than those very standard ones like Liu Wei Di Huang > > Wan, Zuo/You Gui Wan, Tian Wan Bu Xing Wan, etc, and > > KI-3, KI-6, SP-6, BL-23, PC-7 etc? > > > Would also like to hear actual experiences in treating > > this type of problems. > >>> > > Dear John, Having taken hundreds of women successfully thru menopause, > it is > imperative to differentiate where the heat is coming from. It could > be: > spleen deficiency, heat in the blood, kidney yin deficiency, liver > blood deficiency > or any combination of the above. I have found it is most important to > understand the energetic dynamics of the individual and to then treat > accordingly. > Otherwise you are just chasing symptoms. > robbee > > > > > Sharon Weizenbaum 86 Henry Street Amherst, MA 01002 413-549-4021 sweiz www.whitepinehealingarts.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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