complex vs plain structures

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Simon Clifford wrote: < can anyone say why a complex (and very pleasing to

> the eye) crystalline pattern in water indicates that it's good, and an

> aesthetically displeasing pattern is " bad " ? >>

For me it's part past learning and part intuition. Regarding the learning

part, I remember from about 25 years ago seeing energy type photographs of

ascorbic acid and vitamin C complex. The ascorbic acid was very plain -- a

few concentric circles. The C complex was an intricate crystalline pattern.

In the case of these two items I strongly believe that our complex systems do

much better with a complex nutrient such as " nature " has provided us. In this

case man has managed to extract what seems to be an important COMPONENT of

naturally occurring C, and concluded that one component is " the active

factor " and that's all that's needed. I feel that attitude is presumptuous.

It's claiming that man knows better than nature/God (take your pick).

 

Rich in Minnesota USA

 

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[Guest guest]

Here are wo articles showing the various crystalline structues of the water,

and how you can change it by distilling tor prayer.

Before jumping to confusions:

Mercola's article on water at first glance might indicate, as Mercola

suggests that distilled water is bad for you.

 

But this paragraph indicates that distilling is merely the first step in the

process and if the second step is followed, distilled water can be madeGOOD

for you eg:

" It is possible to restructure the water by putting it in a clear glass

container, adding a few minerals and leaving it out in the sunshine for a

day. This will help to restore the normal beneficial structure that water

should have to promote health. "

from:

http://www.mercola.com/2002/may/8/distilled_water.htm

 

But from another article involving water, this mind boggling study:

http://www.mercola.com/2002/may/8/prayer.htm

 

rusty

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Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:33 PM

Re: complex vs plain structures

 

 

> Simon Clifford wrote: < can anyone say why a complex (and very pleasing

to

> > the eye) crystalline pattern in water indicates that it's good, and an

> > aesthetically displeasing pattern is " bad " ? >>

> For me it's part past learning and part intuition. Regarding the learning

> part, I remember from about 25 years ago seeing energy type photographs of

> ascorbic acid and vitamin C complex. The ascorbic acid was very plain -- a

> few concentric circles. The C complex was an intricate crystalline

pattern.

> In the case of these two items I strongly believe that our complex systems

do

> much better with a complex nutrient such as " nature " has provided us. In

this

> case man has managed to extract what seems to be an important COMPONENT of

> naturally occurring C, and concluded that one component is " the active

> factor " and that's all that's needed. I feel that attitude is

presumptuous.

> It's claiming that man knows better than nature/God (take your pick).

>

> Rich in Minnesota USA

>

> All greatness is achieved while performing outside your comfort zone.

> -Greg Arnold-

>

[Guest guest]

<P> Hi All

<P>Could it not be that this is a classic example of

how we trust and believe all that we are told, simply

because the person saying it is a medic?

<P>I read the articles, and I'm with Simon absolutely,

if the crystals are pure and perfectly formed, why

does that necessarily indicate that the water is good?

<P>Feeling positive inside and out is of course

important and positive energy comes back to us though

the day. But & nbsp;... when it comes to the water

crystals, can 'positive energy' really have an effect?

<P>There seems to have been some adhoc research

carried out in this area, but & nbsp;when I read the

article I instantly accepted it at face value, simply

because it was written by a medic - my upbringing

placed medics with priests & nbsp; for their wisdom and

all knowing... scarey eh!

<P>Yvonne

<P> & nbsp;

<P> & nbsp; <B><I>Rusty

& lt;rustym & gt;</I></B> wrote:

<BLOCKQUOTE style= " PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:

5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid " ><TT>Here are wo

articles showing the various crystalline structues of

the water,<BR>and how you can change it by distilling

tor prayer.<BR>Before jumping to

confusions:<BR>Mercola's article on water at first

glance might indicate, as Mercola<BR>suggests that

distilled water is bad for you.<BR><BR>But this

paragraph indicates that distilling is merely the

first step in the<BR>process and if the second step is

followed, distilled water can be madeGOOD<BR>for you

eg:<BR> " It is possible to restructure the water by

putting it in a clear glass<BR>container, adding a few

minerals and leaving it out in the sunshine for

a<BR>day. This will help to restore the normal

beneficial structure that water<BR>should have to

promote health. " <BR>from:<BR><A

href= " http://www.mercola.com/2002/may/8/distilled_water.htm " >http://www.mercola.\

com/2002/may/8/distilled_water.htm</A><BR><BR>But

from another article involving water, this mind

boggling study:<BR><A

href= " http://www.mercola.com/2002/may/8/prayer.htm " >http://www.mercola.com/2002/\

may/8/prayer.htm</A><BR><BR>rusty<BR>-----

Original Message -----<BR>

& lt;rputman & gt;<BR>To:

& lt; & gt;<BR>Thursday,

May 09, 2002 7:33 PM<BR>Re:

complex vs plain structures<BR><BR><BR> & gt; Simon

Clifford wrote: & lt; & lt; & gt; can anyone say why a

complex (and very pleasing<BR>to<BR> & gt; & gt; the eye)

crystalline pattern in water indicates that it's good,

and an<BR> & gt; & gt; aesthetically displeasing pattern

is " bad " ? & gt; & gt;<BR> & gt; For me it's part past

learning and part intuition. Regarding the

learning<BR> & gt; part, I remember from about 25 years

ago seeing energy type photographs of<BR> & gt; ascorbic

acid and vitamin C complex. The ascorbic acid was very

plain -- a<BR> & gt; few concentric circles. The C

complex was an intricate

crystalline<BR>pattern.<BR> & gt; In the case of these

two items I strongly believe that our complex

systems<BR>do<BR> & gt; much better with a complex

nutrient such as " nature " has provided us.

In<BR>this<BR> & gt; case man has managed to extract

what seems to be an important COMPONENT of<BR> & gt;

naturally occurring C, and concluded that one

component is " the active<BR> & gt; factor " and that's

all that's needed. I feel that attitude

is<BR>presumptuous.<BR> & gt; It's claiming that man

knows better than nature/God (take your

pick).<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt; Rich in Minnesota

USA<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt; All greatness is achieved while

performing outside your comfort zone.<BR> & gt; -Greg

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[Guest guest]

Rich:

 

I read a great quote this morning that basically said that it takes

genius to make things simple. I think that for all the arcanity we

perceive in our ignorance, nature is exquisitely logical, direct and

interrelated.

 

Of course there are fractal patterns, but I think that there is a

certain logic to them that we can't comprehend (and may never), as

many phenomena, such as lightning, work in a fractal pattern.

 

I've often said the same thing about energy work... we tend as humans

to desire it to be full of pomp and ritual, when in fact it works

just as well if not better when it is distilled to intention and

connection. All the extraneous bits enhance the atmosphere, but the

most important bit is the simplest part, the mindset of the person

seeking healing and the person present to facilitate it.

 

I think the point of the information about the water articles is

about intention. Have you read " The Simarillion " , by Tolkien? As an

exercise in memory after watching " Lord of the Rings " I re-read The

Hobbit and the Tolkien trilogy, and I'm starting on The Lost Tales

and The Simarillion. At any rate, I think Tolkien's beautiful

creation myth speaks of his deep understanding of emergence; in the

beginning was music, and everything came from it. Music/sound being

one of the most basic forms of mathematics, it is easy to see how

that might be so... that the word was made manifest, so to speak. In

a personal sense, the word can manifest in myriad ways, and perhaps

we should just be asking for the best possible outcome, rather than

one of our own design, since what we create in our hubris may be much

more complicated than necessary, and possibly misguided ;-)

 

Blessings,

Crow