Guest guest Posted June 29, 2002 Report Share Posted June 29, 2002 Hello All: Over the last couple of days I have posted text files that you might be interested in. They are available in the shared files area. The first is an article from the NY Times on Complementary therapies and their use with pain management. The second is an article from Hippocrates on the Nocebo Effect, or the opposite of Placebo; in other words, the effect of negative thinking on health. I would encourage you to read them and share your thoughts. Blessings, Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2002 Report Share Posted June 29, 2002 Hello Crow, It's been well established in some fields that: " What the mind expects to happen, tends to be realized " So of course thinking negative effects the body as much as thinking positive. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 steve wrote: > > Hello Crow, > > It's been well established in some fields that: > " What the mind expects to happen, tends to be realized " > > So of course thinking negative effects the body as much as thinking positive. This is the sort of stuff that I've been studying for years, it's what I thought this list is all about. Sometimes I think I've read every " positive thinking " sort of book ever written, heh. I visit my local Borders or Barnes & Noble almost weekly looking for fresh explanations of this stuff. After many many years, I think I'm beginning to " get it " . I'm finally realizing just how our world is upside down and inside out in this regard. I, like most, have always taken my physical surroundings to be reality, haven't you? In contrast, I've always considered my inner experience, (thoughts, feelings, etc), to be illusory or wishful; just idle daydreaming. In the last few days however, I have begun to see that the inner experience is the creator of the outer experience not just as a theroy, but as a fact whether I like it or not, whether I'm aware of it or not, whether I believe it or not. I now see that this process has always been happening, rather than as a theory that I *might* be able to apply. It's just sinking in that this is the way it has always been! If it's always been this way, then I don't need to *try* to believe it! Bottom line is that, in all my efforts to test and prove " postive thinking " in my own life, I never realized that the inner is more important than the outer. And that's why all my deliberate efforts failed. Today, I am beginning to accept that my inner world is truth and reality and that my outer world is nothing more than results. I'll keep you posted of my experiences with this. I'd like to hear from others that feel they might be at this same stage of learning or those that have gone beyond this to manifest whatever they choose in their lives. Bompa -- Mystic_Path_Study_Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 >I, like most, have always taken my physical surroundings to be reality, >haven't you? I still do. Though my mind may change my perceptions, I don't expect it to change reality. I think the grand canyon will continue to exist, whether I change my mind about it or not. >In contrast, I've always considered my inner experience, (thoughts, feelings, >etc), to be illusory or wishful; just idle daydreaming. They do tend to manifest within the range of what the mind has control of. The mind does create our bodies, and controls much of our perception of our lives. >In the last few days however, I have begun to see that the inner experience >is the creator of the outer experience not just as a theroy, but as a fact >whether I like it or not, whether I'm aware of it or not, whether I believe >it or not. I now see that this process has always been happening, rather >than as a theory that I *might* be able to apply. I partially agree. I only comment because some (IMHO) go overboard with the concept. If you expect your mind to provide you with an ideal spouse, it will. If you expect your mind to change your spouse, it likely will If you expect your mind to cause the sun not to rise, it won't. steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 What is the best approach in changing negative thinking then? I am an optimist, so I find I am positive most of the time, regardless of circumstances. However, when I fall into the negative thoughts, they usually dwell on my own feelings of inadequacy or not getting it right the first time. Those negative beliefs hold one back the most in my opinion. We seem to be our worst enemy or at least our biggest critic. I am learning that there are times when it is just a matter of conditioning and habits that do not serve me well anymore. That what I really need is just to see it from someone else's experience, or to learn another way to do it then what I am used to. Sometimes, it brings some very creative options. Also, I am learning that when I am most afraid, or anxious, it is triggered by thoughts that there are no other options. and There are ALWAYS options. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 The articles were excellent Crow, thank you. nrgbalance wrote: > Hello All: > > Over the last couple of days I have posted text files that you might > be interested in. They are available in the shared files area. > > The first is an article from the NY Times on Complementary therapies > and their use with pain management. > > The second is an article from Hippocrates on the Nocebo Effect, or > the opposite of Placebo; in other words, the effect of negative > thinking on health. > > I would encourage you to read them and share your thoughts. > > Blessings, > Crow > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 Dave Benware wrote: > In the last few days however, I have begun to see that the inner > experience > is the creator of the outer experience not just as a theroy, but as a > fact > whether I like it or not, whether I'm aware of it or not, whether I > believe > it or not. I now see that this process has always been happening, > rather > than as a theory that I *might* be able to apply. I think the concept was starting to form with the question of - if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? The vibration definitely travels, but until it strikes an eardrum it's not technically " sound " - it takes a receiver and perceiver in order for sound to occur. Now it seems with quantum physics and non-linear dynamics, the same question is branching out further. The observed is not independent of the observer. I just read Power vs Force which explains these principles, and is quite fascinating. The example commonly given is when light is treated as a wave or a particle, it " acts " as such. So *we* are a large part of what determines what we see. > > Bottom line is that, in all my efforts to test and prove " postive > thinking " in my own life, I never realized that the inner is more > important than the outer. And that's why all my deliberate efforts > failed. > > Today, I am beginning to accept that my inner world is truth and > reality and that my outer world is nothing more than results. > > I'll keep you posted of my experiences with this. > > I'd like to hear from others that feel they might be at this same > stage of learning or those that have gone beyond this to manifest > whatever they choose in their lives. Yes, I have done so in many ways. Big ways and small ways and I find the journey fascinating. You may be interested in joining the Law of Attraction group to hear about how others are applying these principles. Have you read Excuse Me Your Life is Waiting, by Lynn Grabhorn? It is one of the best books I have found to get you really going on the ability to manifest. Dr.Nature > > > Bompa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2002 Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 >What is the best approach in changing negative thinking then? A friend of mine, Skip, recently posted an excellent method http://www.acceleratedchange.com/dcforum/DCForumID6/901.html Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2002 Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 Crow, Thank you for the explanation. I found the files. Anat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2002 Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 What do we need to do to find the files. I evidently missed the original posting. Anat Cohen wrote: > Crow, > > Thank you for the explanation. > I found the files. > Anat > > **************************************** > home page: > FAQ: http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance/bmfaq.html > For List Help Email: -owner > To UNSUBSCRIBE Email: - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are Copyright group and the individual authors. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2002 Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 I find the best is just to be a silent witness to your thoughts. Thoughts are usually a reaction to an environmental demand and your reaction to this demand is your interpretation of whether that is a good thought or a bad thought. It is all a question of perspective if you move your perspective you change the way you think about something. For example, if you get a very strong negative emotional thought you could look within yourself and you might find that you have a muscle twitching. If you allow your attention to be with that muscle twitching, you are not receiving in your conscious mind the negative colours of those stresses being released from that muscle. The self cannot be touched by any thoughts or emotions it is just the silent witness of it all, (unless you decide otherwise). Realise your higher self and you gain inner freedom from thought and emotion. Working from that level you have a balance view of the world and draw upon the universal mind, which automatically make all your thoughts, words and actions in tune with all the laws of nature. - <Realpassion4life Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:31 PM Re: Re: New Files > > What is the best approach in changing negative thinking then? I am an > optimist, so I find I am positive most of the time, regardless of > circumstances. However, when I fall into the negative thoughts, they usually > dwell on my own feelings of inadequacy or not getting it right the first > time. Those negative beliefs hold one back the most in my opinion. We seem > to be our worst enemy or at least our biggest critic. I am learning that > there are times when it is just a matter of conditioning and habits that do > not serve me well anymore. That what I really need is just to see it from > someone else's experience, or to learn another way to do it then what I am > used to. Sometimes, it brings some very creative options. Also, I am > learning that when I am most afraid, or anxious, it is triggered by thoughts > that there are no other options. and There are ALWAYS options. Any thoughts? > > > **************************************** > home page: > FAQ: http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance/bmfaq.html > For List Help Email: -owner > To UNSUBSCRIBE Email: - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are Copyright group and the individual authors. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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