More on weight/beliefs

[Guest guest]

I was one of the former believers in eating low fat for weight loss- and

it worked. HOWEVER, when I look back, I was happily eating fat-free

cookies all day, tons of jelly beans, pasta...my calorie count must have

been huge! BUT I believe it worked for 2 reasons:

 

1) I believed it 100%. I was only 14 when low fat became the rage. Now,

my best friend is much older than I am ( in her 40's) and she had a

horrible time trying to wrap her beliefs around low fat because HER

generation had based their beliefs on eating low-starch and low-sugar,

and HER idea of a weight loss meal was a cheese burger with no bun,

cottage cheese, and salad with dressing, no bread or sugar. Now she was

told to eat pasta, bread, rice, etc. and skip the cheese and meat and

butter...She couldn't believe in low-fat after years of being told to do

the opposite for weight loss. So I believe this new belief in low-carbs

is actually the longer, stronger belief about weight loss and was bound

to come back strong.

 

2). I enjoyed it 100%. I LOVED pasta and rice and bread and STARCH and

had not problem giving up meat and cheese because I never craved it

anyway. I was eating what I actually enjoyed, freely, AND believing it

would make me skinny. I think MOST people, however, DO crave steak and

cheeses and bacon and eggs and they had much resistance on a low-fat

type of diet. They didn't enjoy giving up their favorite foods no matter

how much rice they could eat.

 

I believe excess weight is blocked energy, not Krispy Kreme donuts. To

move the energy, belief and resistance must be balanced. Resistance not

only in how you feel about what you are eating, but how you feel about

your body, your life, your emotions, etc. If you are eating low-fat and

truly believing it, but you are not satisfied with the food then you

have resistance. If you believe it, love the food, but deep down need

the fat for protection, you have resistance. If you feel bad about

yourself, your mate, your job, the government...if you are afraid of

your sexuality,you have resistance. Belief and resistance both need to

be examined.

 

I like the phrase " It is not what you are eating but rather what is

eating YOU. "

 

Don't we all know people who can eat McDonalds 3 meals per day followed

by a gallon of Pepsi and a tub of Rocky Road ice cream and they stay

skinny as a stick? Different metabolism you say? What governs

metabolism? I believe it is the balance of belief and resistance in

someone.

 

I believe, meal by meal, your body will tell you what it is needing if

you will listen. But we choose not to listen and turn instead to the

'experts' and now they have us totally confused.

 

I have studied health and nutrition for 20 years

( I started at 13) and I can tell you all the 'experts' continue to

produce conflicting data again and again. 'Believe' one thing and the

next 'scientific data' will say totally the opposite. If our thoughts

totally create our reality, which I believe, then all scientific data is

manifested from that scientists mix of beliefs and expectations. ( yes,

I am a fan of Seth)

 

But there are 3 " actions " to take I recommend for weight loss that seem

to make a difference-

 

1) drink lots of pure water- our bodies are mostly made fo water, of

course, and water helps move stuck energy

 

2) deep breathing

 

3) exercise you enjoy

 

Belleruth Naparstek has a wonderful guided imagery tape for weight loss.

 

I'm personally holding out for the " Scientists discover that eating 3

lbs. of chocolate per day results in rapid weight loss. " THAT is one I'd

love to wrap my beliefs around!

 

I personally think it is wonderful that all this conflicting scientific

data leaves us too confused to wrap our beliefs around- hence, we have

to learn the REAL cause of health and weight, which is the mind/body

connection.

Seek happiness and learn to appreciate your body AND your food!

 

Create joy today!

Marcie : )

" As you think, so is your world. " - Seth

[Guest guest]

Marcie:

 

Enjoyed your very astute observations on the power of belief.

A partner and I have written a book on the subject, in context of

self-help/improvement. She is a counselor and I used to be. We named it " Truth

Serum " , and it describes WHICH beliefs are fundamental to the way our lives run

from day to day, and ways to change those foundational beliefs. It will be

available in a couple of months, or so the publisher says.

 

Louise Hay is a great proponent of the mind-body link, and hints throughout her

works that belief is the bottom line. Proof is all around us. I recall reading

a journal article about a 9 or 10 year old boy who had multiple personality

disorder (now called dissociative identity disorder), and one of his

personalities was a frail, sickly child, who happened to be diabetic. Doctors

scratched their heads when blood tests proved conclusively that he really was

diabetic, but, only when that particular personality emerged. When utilizing

his common personality, his insulin and blood sugar levels were normal, his

pancreas functioned perfectly, and he was healthy.

 

Steven Parkhill wrote a book about his hypnosis practice in which he has an

astounding cure rate for advanced cancer patients. Most of them learned early

in life to believe, that they were not supposed to live. Belief. Plain and

simple.

 

I agree with Seth. By the way, who is Seth?

 

Regards, Alicia

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

>Steven Parkhill wrote a book about his hypnosis practice in which he has

an astounding cure rate for advanced cancer patients. Most of them learned

early in life to believe, that they were not supposed to live. Belief.

Plain and simple.

 

the problem is that many times the learnig occured very young, even in the

womb!

And under such conditions, learning to think positive and such just isn't

enough.

 

Steve

[Guest guest]

>Steven Parkhill wrote a book about his hypnosis practice in which he has

an astounding cure rate for advanced cancer patients. Most of them learned

early in life to believe, that they were not supposed to live. Belief.

Plain and simple.

 

 

I've been lurking on this list for quite awhile and had to share on this

subject. I take it that most people who are responding have never been truly

sick before. I'm not talking about a cold or something that goes away. I'm

talking about something chronic that changes or takes your life. Well, I do

have a terminal disease.

From the posts, it sounds like everyone who is sick can be cured if they

have faith and believe they can. And if they remain sick it's because they want

to be sick. I've have seen a miracle cure-- my son when he was an infant. So I

do believe in the power of prayer. I don't believe in blaming the person for

their illness or condemning a person because he/she is sick.

My two cents,

Renee

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> From the posts, it sounds like everyone who is sick can be cured if

> they have faith and believe they can. And if they remain sick it's because

> they want to be sick. I've have seen a miracle cure-- my son when he was

> an infant. So I do believe in the power of prayer. I don't believe in

> blaming the person for their illness or condemning a person because he/she is

sick.

> My two cents,

> Renee

 

 

Hi Renee,

 

There's a very fine line between blame and responsibility. Blame implies

a wrongdoing, whereas responibility just means " the buck stops here " . I

have a difficult time staying away from the blame game, myself.

 

It's well accepted in the mental health field that some people have

subconscious beliefs that lead them to self-defeating, destructive

behaviour or destructive lifestyles. Good therapists don't make a

moral judgement on it though, so there's no fault, guilt, or blame

involved. It's like if I walk through poison ivy bushes and catch

poison ivy, I am responsible for the path I walked, but that doesn't

mean I did anything wrong or bad.

 

It's a good point that you bring up since " blaming " just adds to the

problem.

 

Dave.

[Guest guest]

Dear Renee,

 

What you wrote about here is the unfortunate result of the discovery

that the mind contributes to illness. Some people have taken that idea

to the extreme and believe that because stress or thoughts can cause or

exacerabate a disorder, that it does in all cases. It's an

all-or-nothing mindset that hurts the person with the disorder. Mind is

not everything, we still have genetics, environmental toxins that no one

can get away from anymore, poor soil that our food grows in that

contributes to decreased nutrition, and many other factors.

 

My introduction to LOA and mind as healer came 25 years ago when I

watched a morning program each day with ministers from Unity and SOM who

espoused these principles. It caused me to not take care of an illness

I had because I was sure I could change it with my thoughts. It took

away many years of my life that could have been taken care of with

medications. But what got me even more upset is that some of the

strongest proponents at that time were ministers in their 40's and early

50's and very healthy. Well I got to follow up with them many years

later as they approached their 60's and 70's and wow did their stance

change. One person in particular was VERY positive that the mind heals

everything, she was in charge of a group of some 500 ministers and then

she got cancer. All of a sudden it was changed to - " the mind heals but

doesn't cure " . It was more of a saving-face type statement, so that she

could continue to say that the mind does heal, but it won't always heal

the body. I thought of all the people she might've hurt over the years

by making them feel they weren't trying hard enough (and I was one of

those people).

 

So, like everything, there is rarely one size fits all in this world.

I know that keeping my thoughts on the good and positive has helped me

tremendously in health, wealth, relationships and all the rest, but I

don't believe (this is my opinion) that it is 100%, at least at this

stage in our evolution. My heart goes out to you.

 

Dr.Nature

 

 

Robby and Renee Price wrote:

 

> I've been lurking on this list for quite awhile and had to share on

> this subject. I take it that most people who are responding have

> never been truly sick before. I'm not talking about a cold or

> something that goes away. I'm talking about something chronic that

> changes or takes your life. Well, I do have a terminal disease.

> From the posts, it sounds like everyone who is sick can be cured

> if they have faith and believe they can. And if they remain sick it's

> because they want to be sick. I've have seen a miracle cure-- my son

> when he was an infant. So I do believe in the power of prayer. I

> don't believe in blaming the person for their illness or condemning a

> person because he/she is sick.

> My two cents,

> Renee

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Renee,

 

> Steven Parkhill wrote a book about his hypnosis practice in which he has

> an astounding cure rate for advanced cancer patients. Most of them learned

> early in life to believe, that they were not supposed to live. Belief.

> Plain and simple.

>

>I've been lurking on this list for quite awhile and had to share on this

subject.

>I take it that most people who are responding have never been truly sick

before.

>I'm not talking about a cold or something that goes away. I'm talking about

>something chronic that changes or takes your life. Well, I do have a

terminal disease.

>From the posts, it sounds like everyone who is sick can be cured if they

have faith

>and believe they can. And if they remain sick it's because they want to

be sick.

>I've have seen a miracle cure-- my son when he was an infant. So I do

believe in

>the power of prayer. I don't believe in blaming the person for their

illness or

>condemning a person because he/she is sick.

 

I cannot comment about the beliefs of some of those on the list, but

having been trained by Stephen Parkhill in the methods of healing for

cancer, I know a bit about what he is presenting.

 

There is *nothing* in his teaching which is of a blame nature.

While the source of the dis-ease is within the person in many cases,

it is not there from a lack of faith or any such thing.

It is most often from an emotional trauma in childhood or even when in

the womb. The child mind creates a blame of self which is undeserved.

 

Much as a sexually molested child blames themself because they caused

the adult to do such horrible things.

Of course the child is innocent, but the child-mind doesn't understand this.

 

The methods of Steve is to seek out the childhood traumas and work for

their healing.

The trauma being healed, the mind-body most often ends its self mutilation.

 

Steve (not Parkhill)

[Guest guest]

" Dr.Nature " wrote:

> One person in particular was VERY positive that the mind heals

> everything, she was in charge of a group of some 500 ministers and then

> she got cancer. All of a sudden it was changed to - " the mind heals but

> doesn't cure " . It was more of a saving-face type statement, so that she

> could continue to say that the mind does heal, but it won't always heal

> the body. I thought of all the people she might've hurt over the years

> by making them feel they weren't trying hard enough (and I was one of

> those people).

 

I must be missing your point. Who cares what *one* person says? It was

never that one person or the 500 ministers that gave truth or validity

to the power of belief. Belief works if 500 ministers preach it and it

works if 500 ministers denounce it. *They* are not the point, not the

principle. If I believe a theory because of *who* verbalizes it, then

where is *my* own credibility, where is my integrity?

 

But that's the way we people are; we love all that Jesus said and hate

all the Hitler said, as if the person were the proof of truth. For example,

in the quote above, it says that this lady was in charge of 500 ministers,

but what does that have to do with the what she preached or her cancer?

It only gives a false sense of authority to her words. (She's in a position

of accomplishment so she must be right.)

 

We look around ourselves, outside ourselves, and to others for the truth

and the reality. That's what I call having an external reference for reality.

If it works for you fine, but it hasn't worked for me.

 

For me, the truth is inside. Reality is inside.

 

 

Just one man's opinion.

Dave.

 

 

--

Mystic_Path_Study_Group

[Guest guest]

Steve,

You make a very good point regarding children and the way they see the world.

The reason kids take responsibility (blame) for things that happen to them, is

egocentricity. As they get older, their " other " perspective starts to develop

and egocentric thinking begins to devolve. When we are little, everything is

about and because of the self. Kinda the center of the universe thing, but,

with no conceit. That's why it is so important that children experience

unconditional love. When love is conditional, in the child's mind, that

situation is " about the child " . So what does the child learn about themselves?

RIGHT!!! I am unloveable! You know, even as adults, we still do that. Ever

been in a room of people and someone looks at you and laughs, and you run to the

restroom to see what is hanging out of your nose or if your pants are on

backwards? Then, did you feel a bit diminished? Was that laugh about you? Or

about the person who emitted it? Intellectually we all know it was about the

person who produced it, but....there's still something inside us that we respond

to reflexively that suggests it was about ourselves. That something is our

childhood leftovers, hanging around for the duration....of our lives, if we

don't change them.

Also, it is exciting to hear from someone who took training from Steve Parkhill.

Word is getting around. It is going a bit too slow for me, though. I put a

reference from " Answer Cancer " in my book as an example of the power of belief,

and I tell everyone about it every time the subject comes up. You have my best

wishes and strongest prayers in your endeavors. Alicia

steve <whitaker wrote: Renee,

 

> Steven Parkhill wrote a book about his hypnosis practice in which he has

> an astounding cure rate for advanced cancer patients. Most of them learned

> early in life to believe, that they were not supposed to live. Belief.

> Plain and simple.

>

>I've been lurking on this list for quite awhile and had to share on this

subject.

>I take it that most people who are responding have never been truly sick

before.

>I'm not talking about a cold or something that goes away. I'm talking about

>something chronic that changes or takes your life. Well, I do have a

terminal disease.

>From the posts, it sounds like everyone who is sick can be cured if they

have faith

>and believe they can. And if they remain sick it's because they want to

be sick.

>I've have seen a miracle cure-- my son when he was an infant. So I do

believe in

>the power of prayer. I don't believe in blaming the person for their

illness or

>condemning a person because he/she is sick.

 

I cannot comment about the beliefs of some of those on the list, but

having been trained by Stephen Parkhill in the methods of healing for

cancer, I know a bit about what he is presenting.

 

There is *nothing* in his teaching which is of a blame nature.

While the source of the dis-ease is within the person in many cases,

it is not there from a lack of faith or any such thing.

It is most often from an emotional trauma in childhood or even when in

the womb. The child mind creates a blame of self which is undeserved.

 

Much as a sexually molested child blames themself because they caused

the adult to do such horrible things.

Of course the child is innocent, but the child-mind doesn't understand this.

 

The methods of Steve is to seek out the childhood traumas and work for

their healing.

The trauma being healed, the mind-body most often ends its self mutilation.

 

Steve (not Parkhill)

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dave,

Truly!!! And, It is not the " mind " that heals anything, but the power of the

belief in the mind that heals...or destroys....and you are right in that it

ALWAYS works, when an internalized belief is present, whether positive or

negative, it always works. Alicia

Bompa wrote: " Dr.Nature " wrote:

> One person in particular was VERY positive that the mind heals

> everything, she was in charge of a group of some 500 ministers and then

> she got cancer. All of a sudden it was changed to - " the mind heals but

> doesn't cure " . It was more of a saving-face type statement, so that she

> could continue to say that the mind does heal, but it won't always heal

> the body. I thought of all the people she might've hurt over the years

> by making them feel they weren't trying hard enough (and I was one of

> those people).

 

I must be missing your point. Who cares what *one* person says? It was

never that one person or the 500 ministers that gave truth or validity

to the power of belief. Belief works if 500 ministers preach it and it

works if 500 ministers denounce it. *They* are not the point, not the

principle. If I believe a theory because of *who* verbalizes it, then

where is *my* own credibility, where is my integrity?

 

But that's the way we people are; we love all that Jesus said and hate

all the Hitler said, as if the person were the proof of truth. For example,

in the quote above, it says that this lady was in charge of 500 ministers,

but what does that have to do with the what she preached or her cancer?

It only gives a false sense of authority to her words. (She's in a position

of accomplishment so she must be right.)

 

We look around ourselves, outside ourselves, and to others for the truth

and the reality. That's what I call having an external reference for reality.

If it works for you fine, but it hasn't worked for me.

 

For me, the truth is inside. Reality is inside.

 

 

Just one man's opinion.

Dave.

 

 

--

Mystic_Path_Study_Group

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alicia wrote:

>

> Dave,

> Truly!!! And, It is not the " mind " that heals anything, but the power of the

belief in the mind that heals...or destroys....and you are right in that it

ALWAYS works, when an internalized belief is present, whether positive or

negative, it always works. Alicia

 

 

I was right twice? Wow, whatcha doin' later? hehehe

[Guest guest]

Ah no, I wasn't giving one person the power. I just meant that she

was the head of one of these groups, and all those churches and groups

that espouse these opinions *have* hurt people. The television viewing

audience was large. And I was in my early 20's and impressionable. If

you believe that our minds create 100% of our world, then we just have a

different way of looking at it. I think mind, body and spirit are all

involved and I don't put more emphasis on one than on the other. I tell

people who think they can eat anything they want without gaining weight

or getting ill, or change anything they want, to first work on gravity.

Gravity gives you immediate feedback. So when you've got that licked,

you can create it all. But until you do, you might want to incorporate

the laws of this physical universe in your decision making processes as

to how you are going to live your life.

 

 

Bompa wrote:

 

> " Dr.Nature " wrote:

> > One person in particular was VERY positive that the mind heals

> > everything, she was in charge of a group of some 500 ministers and

> then

> > she got cancer. All of a sudden it was changed to - " the mind heals

> but

> > doesn't cure " . It was more of a saving-face type statement, so that

> she

> > could continue to say that the mind does heal, but it won't always

> heal

> > the body. I thought of all the people she might've hurt over the

> years

> > by making them feel they weren't trying hard enough (and I was one

> of

> > those people).

>

> I must be missing your point. Who cares what *one* person says? It

> was

> never that one person or the 500 ministers that gave truth or validity

>

> to the power of belief. Belief works if 500 ministers preach it and

> it

> works if 500 ministers denounce it. *They* are not the point, not the

>

> principle. If I believe a theory because of *who* verbalizes it, then

>

> where is *my* own credibility, where is my integrity?

>

> But that's the way we people are; we love all that Jesus said and hate

>

> all the Hitler said, as if the person were the proof of truth. For

> example,

> in the quote above, it says that this lady was in charge of 500

> ministers,

> but what does that have to do with the what she preached or her

> cancer?

> It only gives a false sense of authority to her words. (She's in a

> position

> of accomplishment so she must be right.)

>

> We look around ourselves, outside ourselves, and to others for the

> truth

> and the reality. That's what I call having an external reference for

> reality.

> If it works for you fine, but it hasn't worked for me.

>

> For me, the truth is inside. Reality is inside.

>

>

> Just one man's opinion.

> Dave.

>

>

> --

> Mystic_Path_Study_Group

>

>

[Guest guest]

Why?

 

> I tell people who think they can eat anything they want without

>gaining weight or getting ill, or change anything they want, to first

>work on gravity.

 

What has one to do with the other?

What, specifically, is the " law of physics " requiring of us to metabolise

with 100% efficiency everything we eat?

Why *must* we metabolise at all?

Cannot something eaten be passed through as though a waste product?

 

Can you think of some/any dis-ease/condition where the body does not

metabolise well?

 

>Gravity gives you immediate feedback. So when you've got that licked,

 

OK an airplane

 

>you can create it all.

 

Kewl! I like that!

 

> But until you do, you might want to incorporate

>the laws of this physical universe in your decision

>making processes as to how you are going to live

>your life.

 

*LAWs* or your opinions?

If we all followed the " laws " we'd likely still be blood letting

for medicine, surely not flying in planes here and there.

 

Where is the progress if we never question what someone else

believes as reality?

 

Steve

[Guest guest]

At 10:36 AM 7/11/02 -0400, you wrote:

>So I do believe in the power of prayer. I don't believe in blaming the

>person for their illness or condemning a person because he/she is sick.

> My two cents,

> Renee

 

Hi,

I rarely post here, but this is very interesting to me. Recently I talked

with a woman who has been sick for the last 30 years, she said. A blinking

red light went off in my head, and I asked a few questions. Turns out,

after getting some astrological data from her, she has this really wicked

astrological placement of Pluto conjunct Saturn in her 8th house, and she

is experiencing her second Saturn return, which is triggering it all over

again. For anyone who doesn't understand astrology (and I " m just a novice,

anyway), the slower moving planets in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses can

wreck your health/life/death, etc. And wherever Pluto is, expect a lot of

deep regeneration work, for the entire life, actually.

 

What astrology seems to show is the patterns available during this

incarnation (and I don't suppose that other incarnations exist or not, but

astrology seems to indicate what affects THIS one, particularly)

 

Anyway, getting back to this lady's chart, I was looking at the solar arc

placements, just to get a ballpark on the timing of her current " illness "

or health issue, and Uranus has been for the last 30 years, tripping

through her 8th house, conjuncting her natal placements of Pluto and

Saturn. Geesh, if ever there were Gods that you don't want to piss off, it

would be all three of those planets in the 8th house. Some of you, who

dabble in astrology get my drift. Anyway, by solar arc, Uranus will be

exiting her 8th house in just four years, never to return again. I

suggested to her that very shortly, her weirdly strange and unexplainable

near death-type of health issues were about to be over. In five years, it

would be a thing of the past, for the rest of her life.

 

Imagine, though, a thirty year effect of unexplainable (effect of Uranus)

health issues that presented life and death scenarios. She was saying

that " this is what she was like " .... etc. Actually, she WASNT like

that. She was just " like that " while that planetary effect was in

place. After the planets move on, they're done, and they go on to another

area of your life. Nothing is static or the same, it's always moving, and

especially now, it's moving forward.

 

Since adding some elements of medical astrology to what I'm working with,

I've gotten a huge appreciation for the work of Jung, and his assessments

of healing.

 

The real truth may be, that when we're ready to heal, is not only a

function of when we decide but also when we " actualize " and " appropriate "

the power of the planets which offer us " salvation " or " energy " through

their pressence in the area of our chart they are " afflicting " or " blessing " .

 

I apologize for being so cryptic, but when discussing astrology, I find

it's an entire new language useful for talking only to astrologer

with, and sometimes giving a good analysis of it falls victim to what

Einstein knew, " if you can't say it simply, then you don't know it well

enough yet. " I certainly feel that's the case the more I look at

charts. They have a tremendous amount of information in them, so

simplifying their " meaning " is not easy at all.

 

I suppose what I'm saying is, Renee, you are right, and so is the saying

that when you want to be healed you will be is correct. They are both

true. The nature of the polarized world we live in, is the center of

discussion here, because the planets can act as teacher or trickster, each

planet having a negative/positive influence, ultimately dependent on the

conscious energy we provide to it. And THIS is why I'm so sold out on the

power of prayer. Sure enough, we don't pray like we need to, or pray

expecting to receive either. The prayer of faith, it's where it's

at. But it's sort of hard to understand that in order BE in faith, you

have to HAVE faith. It's either all or nothing, and in my opinion, totally

depends on your " eyes being opened " ..... so maybe that's where we all need

to start praying, eh?

 

another two cents,

Moe

 

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

" It's supposed to be a secret, but I'll tell you anyway.

We doctors do nothing. We only help and encourage the doctor within. "

Albert Schweitzer, M.D

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

steve wrote:

 

> > I tell people who think they can eat anything they want without

> >gaining weight or getting ill, or change anything they want, to first

> work on gravity.

>

> What has one to do with the other?

 

Everything -- if someone says " We create 100% of our reality. " 100% is

100%.

 

>

> What, specifically, is the " law of physics " requiring of us to

> metabolise

> with 100% efficiency everything we eat?

 

If you're saying that you believe we create our metabolism but not the

physical world, then that's where your beliefs are.

 

Do you believe we don't need to eat anything at all? And if not, where

do you draw the line?

 

>

> Why *must* we metabolise at all?

> Cannot something eaten be passed through as though a waste product?

 

Occasionally, yes. But.... the body surviving without nutrients? The

body is *made* of nutrients, so it doesn't make much sense to me.

 

>

> Can you think of some/any dis-ease/condition where the body does not

> metabolise well?

 

I believe that's the cause of many diseases.

 

>

> >Gravity gives you immediate feedback. So when you've got that

> licked,

>

> OK an airplane

 

Yes, but I was making a point of us being able to control everything or

not, so I meant jumping off a chair and not landing.

 

I know some people believe we can levitate and they believe totally

opposite from what I'm saying here, which is fine. I'm very much into

conscious creation, I run a Law of Attraction list, I live my life by it

in many ways. I also hold open the possibility that we will be able to

do all these things as we evolve, and I hold open the possibility that

we are dreaming everything, and every kind of belief system holds

fascination for me actually. The way I live my life is to stay open,

but live according to what actually works for me. I see many patients

into metaphysics who have gotten themselves into bad mental or physical

states because they felt they weren't trying hard enough. In my belief

system, the mind is a big part of it, but not the whole picture.

 

>

> > But until you do, you might want to incorporate

> >the laws of this physical universe in your decision

> >making processes as to how you are going to live

> >your life.

>

> *LAWs* or your opinions?

 

Explained above. Gravity is pretty consistent.

 

>

> If we all followed the " laws " we'd likely still be blood letting

> for medicine, surely not flying in planes here and there.

 

I don't consider those laws.

 

>

> Where is the progress if we never question what someone else

> believes as reality?

 

Egad, I'm one of the biggest questioners there are! I certainly wasn't

saying we shouldn't question. Again, I was making a case for our minds

having enormous power, but our bodies, the physical universe, and other

factors being part of it as well.

 

>

> Steve

 

Dr.Nature

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

>steve wrote:

>

>> > I tell people who think they can eat anything they want without

>> >gaining weight or getting ill, or change anything they want, to first

>> work on gravity.

>>

>> What has one to do with the other?

>

>Everything -- if someone says " We create 100% of our reality. "

> 100% is 100%.

 

Ok, for those who believe they create 100% of their reality this might

be an issue. We don't all have that limitation though.

 

>> What, specifically, is the " law of physics " requiring of us to

>> metabolise with 100% efficiency everything we eat?

>

>If you're saying that you believe we create our metabolism but

>not the physical world, then that's where your beliefs are.

 

No, I'm saying there is no *LAW* requiring us to metabolise

everything we eat.

 

>Do you believe we don't need to eat anything at all?

>And if not, where do you draw the line?

 

Of course not!

I draw the line where there is a belief that 1005 *must* be metabolized

by some sort of physical law.

 

>> Why *must* we metabolise at all?

>> Cannot something eaten be passed through as though a waste product?

>

>Occasionally, yes. But.... the body surviving without nutrients? The

>body is *made* of nutrients, so it doesn't make much sense to me.

 

WHy do you try opposite extremes for your examples?

Is your world all or nothing?

 

>> Can you think of some/any dis-ease/condition where the body does not

>> metabolise well?

>

>I believe that's the cause of many diseases.

 

So, in the world you choose to create, this is impossible?

 

>> >Gravity gives you immediate feedback. So when you've got that

>> licked,

>>

>> OK an airplane

>

>Yes, but I was making a point of us being able to control everything or

>not, so I meant jumping off a chair and not landing.

 

Yes, but why?

Have you no grays?

have you no color?

Must your life be black or white?

 

Is it beyond your ability to see possibilites beyond the " laws "

you have chosen for yourself?

 

The " laws " said running a 4 minute mile is impossible

The " laws " said the sound barrier cannot be broken

The " laws " said if a man rode in a car faster than 35 MPH he would suffocate

The " laws " said if you go to the edge of the world you will fall off.

 

The " laws " said you must digest 100% of everything you eat, *and*

must either burn the calorie as fuel or store it within the body.

 

 

>I know some people believe we can levitate and they believe

>totally opposite from what I'm saying here, which is fine.

 

I have never claimed that this could be done by thoughts.

Although I don't limit myself with a belief it cannot be done.

I merely accept that I don't know how to do it today.

 

I do not limit science for the next 500 years.

Nor will I ridicule physicists who serch for a unifying theory

or seek to understand gravity to the point that it might one day

be possible.

 

>I'm very much into conscious creation, I run a Law of Attraction list,

>I live my life by it in many ways.

 

Then why seemingly so closed minded?

 

>I also hold open the possibility that we will be able to

>do all these things as we evolve,

 

Yet there are things our mind can control which you deny.

 

>and I hold open the possibility that

>we are dreaming everything, and every kind of belief system holds

>fascination for me actually. The way I live my life is to stay open,

>but live according to what actually works for me.

 

Yet you deny possibilities which you have not personally experienced.

You seem to contradict yourself.

 

>I see many patients

>into metaphysics who have gotten themselves into bad mental or physical

>states because they felt they weren't trying hard enough. In my belief

>system, the mind is a big part of it, but not the whole picture.

 

So because you have seen some fail, it is impossible?

 

>> > But until you do, you might want to incorporate

>> >the laws of this physical universe in your decision

>> >making processes as to how you are going to live

>> >your life.

>>

>> *LAWs* or your opinions?

>

>Explained above. Gravity is pretty consistent.

 

Newton's " laws " of physics seemed pretty consistent for

hundreds of years, until a young maverick named Einstein

showed there were other possibilities.

Gravity is not consistent either. Just close.

 

>> If we all followed the " laws " we'd likely still be blood letting

>> for medicine, surely not flying in planes here and there.

>

>I don't consider those laws.

 

So now you pick and choose? based on what?

 

>> Where is the progress if we never question what someone else

>> believes as reality?

>

>Egad, I'm one of the biggest questioners there are! I certainly wasn't

>saying we shouldn't question. Again, I was making a case for our minds

>having enormous power, but our bodies, the physical universe, and other

>factors being part of it as well.

 

You sure come across as inconsistent though.

I would encourage you to be more open as to what you believe are laws

 

steve

[Guest guest]

" Dr.Nature " wrote:

> > OK an airplane

>

> Yes, but I was making a point of us being able to control everything or

> not, so I meant jumping off a chair and not landing.

 

 

How long would I have to stay airborne to prove it?

 

Bompa

 

 

 

 

 

--

Mystic_Path_Study_Group

[Guest guest]

" Dr.Nature " wrote:

 

> I tell people who think they can eat anything they want without gaining weight

> or getting ill, or change anything they want, to first work on gravity.

> Gravity gives you immediate feedback. So when you've got that licked,

> you can create it all.

 

So, you're saying that I should first overcome gravity, then I can put

my time into creating all the other things I might want. Is this the

same standard you use for yourself in the Law Of Attraction? I mean,

are you trying to attract the most " impossible " thing FIRST, then go

for all the other little things?

 

 

I tried to fly when I was young, but I was laughed at so I gave it up.

Today, there are many more important miracles that we could perform,

such as healing and finding lost children.

 

Bompa

 

 

 

 

 

 

--

Mystic_Path_Study_Group

[Guest guest]

" Dr.Nature " wrote:

> I tell

> people who think they can eat anything they want without gaining weight

> or getting ill, or change anything they want, to first work on gravity.

> Gravity gives you immediate feedback. So when you've got that licked,

> you can create it all. But until you do, you might want to incorporate

> the laws of this physical universe in your decision making processes as

> to how you are going to live your life.

 

 

Saying that you give that advice makes you sound so level headed.

 

Interesting that you believe in Mediums that can hear dead people,

(Seth, which is the adult version of Casper The Friendly Ghost),

groups of non-physical beings named Abraham that give super wisedom,

and Grabborns' theory, that claims magnetic lines of flux attract

other lines of the same polarity. (They don't. In magnetism,

opposites attract.)

 

At least you admit that the limitations you speak of might be

only at our present level of evolution, cool. However, in order

for humanity to evolve, someone has to be first. Someone has

to go out on a limb and ignore common beliefs and laws.

 

It's lonely out there on that limb and I thought you were on

our side :/

 

Bompa

 

 

--

Mystic_Path_Study_Group

[Guest guest]

My whole point has only been about not blaming people who have

illnesses; my not believing that our beliefs control 100%. That's all.

And I completely accept the beliefs of people who do, to me it's not a

thing to debate, but discussing it is something I enjoy because I learn

from it.

 

I don't believe in mediums that can hear dead people, I've never read

Seth actually, though I'm familiar with what the teachings are about.

From Esther Hicks I love what I've learned about focusing on the

positive, and the same with Grabhorn. I can't say what exact mechanism

causes us to attract what we want, it might be focus, wherein the

Reticular Activating System filters out or in what we pay attention to,

I don't get caught up in the details, but I do know it's worked for me

very well so I stay with it.

 

It's difficult to get one's views across, I actually don't take any of

this all that seriously, I mean in terms of - my beliefs are more

flexible than they are fixed. I DO believe in the limb too, challenging

the paradigms.... I just go with what WORKS, that's my bottom line. It

might be different for each person, who knows. I do know what works for

me, though.

 

 

Bompa wrote:

 

> Saying that you give that advice makes you sound so level headed.

>

> Interesting that you believe in Mediums that can hear dead people,

> (Seth, which is the adult version of Casper The Friendly Ghost),

> groups of non-physical beings named Abraham that give super wisedom,

> and Grabborns' theory, that claims magnetic lines of flux attract

> other lines of the same polarity. (They don't. In magnetism,

> opposites attract.)

>

> At least you admit that the limitations you speak of might be

> only at our present level of evolution, cool. However, in order

> for humanity to evolve, someone has to be first. Someone has

> to go out on a limb and ignore common beliefs and laws.

>

> It's lonely out there on that limb and I thought you were on

> our side :/

>

> Bompa

>

>

> --

> Mystic_Path_Study_Group

>

>

[Guest guest]

, Bompa@t... wrote:

" and Grabborns' theory, that claims magnetic lines of flux attract

other lines of the same polarity. (They don't. In magnetism,

opposites attract.) "

 

I don't know WHY, in all my reading of Grabhorn's and Hick's

books, it Completely escaped me that basic law of physics....it's the

opposites which attract. Thank YOU!! You're exactly right, and in

viewing things that I have seen from that aspect, it helps to explain

why some very nasty and negative people I know seem to have

marvelously good luck, while some very good and loving people seem to

have the worst. Hmmmmm.......I had long since discarded all of the A-

Hicks information for Caroline Myss's teachings that we have a sacred

contract, but how interesting to read your comment this evening! Renee

[Guest guest]

luckyinpink wrote:

> I don't know WHY, in all my reading of Grabhorn's and Hick's

> books, it Completely escaped me that basic law of physics....it's the

> opposites which attract. Thank YOU!! You're exactly right, and in

> viewing things that I have seen from that aspect, it helps to explain

> why some very nasty and negative people I know seem to have

> marvelously good luck, while some very good and loving people seem to

> have the worst. Hmmmmm.......I had long since discarded all of the A-

> Hicks information for Caroline Myss's teachings that we have a sacred

> contract, but how interesting to read your comment this evening! Renee

 

 

Well, thank you. I was going to say in that previous post, (but didn't

want to take the space), that possibly Grabhorn mixed magnetics with

gravity.

 

Gravity is the pull one body of mass has on another and the strength of

the pull is directly proportional to the mass of the bodys. No polarity

involved, just mass. So if we could draw an analogy between the mass

of bodies and concentration of thoughts, we might come up with something.

In other words, the more concentrated a thought is, the more pull or

influence it might have on other thoughts or thought-forms. I dunno.

 

Bompa

 

 

 

 

 

--

Mystic_Path_Study_Group

[Guest guest]

I think it really is the fact that in the spirit world (electro-magnetic

plasma) like attracts like, but in the physical world opposites attract. I

hope that explains.

 

George

-

<Bompa

 

Monday, July 15, 2002 12:40 PM

Re: Re: More on weight/beliefs

 

 

> luckyinpink wrote:

> > I don't know WHY, in all my reading of Grabhorn's and Hick's

> > books, it Completely escaped me that basic law of physics....it's the

> > opposites which attract. Thank YOU!! You're exactly right, and in

> > viewing things that I have seen from that aspect, it helps to explain

> > why some very nasty and negative people I know seem to have

> > marvelously good luck, while some very good and loving people seem to

> > have the worst. Hmmmmm.......I had long since discarded all of the A-

> > Hicks information for Caroline Myss's teachings that we have a sacred

> > contract, but how interesting to read your comment this evening! Renee

>

>

> Well, thank you. I was going to say in that previous post, (but didn't

> want to take the space), that possibly Grabhorn mixed magnetics with

> gravity.

>

> Gravity is the pull one body of mass has on another and the strength of

> the pull is directly proportional to the mass of the bodys. No polarity

> involved, just mass. So if we could draw an analogy between the mass

> of bodies and concentration of thoughts, we might come up with something.

> In other words, the more concentrated a thought is, the more pull or

> influence it might have on other thoughts or thought-forms. I dunno.

>

> Bompa

>

>

>

>

>

> --

> Mystic_Path_Study_Group

>

>

> ****************************************

> home page:

> FAQ: http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance/bmfaq.html

> For List Help Email: -owner

> To UNSUBSCRIBE Email: -

>

> All messages, files and archives of this forum are Copyright

group and the individual authors.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bompa wrote:

 

 

> So if we could draw an analogy between the mass

 

> of bodies and concentration of thoughts, we might come up with

> something.

> In other words, the more concentrated a thought is, the more pull or

> influence it might have on other thoughts or thought-forms. I dunno.

>

 

Or resonate frequencies, like tuning forks.

 

>

> Bompa

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Going with what works is key to this discussion. But, why does " what works "

work? Variables are very short here. Remember that it was against the " law of

nature/whatever " to walk on water. The guy who was doing it said that it was

only a matter of faith. And faith is belief. Wasn't He trying to get us to see

the " no limits " law? The simpler your perspective on causality and effect, the

more able you will be to see the staggering defacto enormity of the whole

picture. It really is pretty simple...er, and incredibly complex. ;-D

" Dr.Nature " <drnature wrote:

My whole point has only been about not blaming people who have

illnesses; my not believing that our beliefs control 100%. That's all.

And I completely accept the beliefs of people who do, to me it's not a

thing to debate, but discussing it is something I enjoy because I learn

from it.

 

I don't believe in mediums that can hear dead people, I've never read

Seth actually, though I'm familiar with what the teachings are about.

From Esther Hicks I love what I've learned about focusing on the

positive, and the same with Grabhorn. I can't say what exact mechanism

causes us to attract what we want, it might be focus, wherein the

Reticular Activating System filters out or in what we pay attention to,

I don't get caught up in the details, but I do know it's worked for me

very well so I stay with it.

 

It's difficult to get one's views across, I actually don't take any of

this all that seriously, I mean in terms of - my beliefs are more

flexible than they are fixed. I DO believe in the limb too, challenging

the paradigms.... I just go with what WORKS, that's my bottom line. It

might be different for each person, who knows. I do know what works for

me, though.

 

 

Bompa wrote:

 

> Saying that you give that advice makes you sound so level headed.

>

> Interesting that you believe in Mediums that can hear dead people,

> (Seth, which is the adult version of Casper The Friendly Ghost),

> groups of non-physical beings named Abraham that give super wisedom,

> and Grabborns' theory, that claims magnetic lines of flux attract

> other lines of the same polarity. (They don't. In magnetism,

> opposites attract.)

>

> At least you admit that the limitations you speak of might be

> only at our present level of evolution, cool. However, in order

> for humanity to evolve, someone has to be first. Someone has

> to go out on a limb and ignore common beliefs and laws.

>

> It's lonely out there on that limb and I thought you were on

> our side :/

>

> Bompa

>

>

> --

> Mystic_Path_Study_Group

>

>