The third leading cause of death in the US

October 16, 2002

I imagine that the answer would surprise many people. The news is from an

article in JAMA:

<A

HREF= " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_\

uids=10904513 & dopt=Abstract " >Journal American Medical Association</A> 2000 Jul

26;284(4):483-5

Note: I tried to remove all the color from what I copied, but for a reason

that I don't understand, AOL software would not let me change everything to

black and white.

The headline:

Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000

Deaths Every Year

If you have an interest, you can read the article at:

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm

Rich in Minnesota

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October 16, 2002

Imagine how much I like having this junk clutter up my mail box. Besides it

has been proven that the largest cause of death is stupidity. Like believing

any statistic that get published in the internet!

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<rputman

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Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:17 AM

The third leading cause of death in the US

> I imagine that the answer would surprise many people. The news is from an

> article in JAMA:

> <A

HREF= " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & l

ist_uids=10904513 & dopt=Abstract " >Journal American Medical Association</A>

2000 Jul 26;284(4):483-5

>

> Note: I tried to remove all the color from what I copied, but for a reason

> that I don't understand, AOL software would not let me change everything

to

> black and white.

>

> The headline:

> Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000

> Deaths Every Year

>

> If you have an interest, you can read the article at:

> http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm

>

> Rich in Minnesota

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October 16, 2002

I didn't see the article at either url that you posted.

rputman wrote:

>I imagine that the answer would surprise many people. The news is from an

>article in JAMA:

><A

HREF= " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_\

uids=10904513 & dopt=Abstract " >Journal American Medical Association</A> 2000 Jul

26;284(4):483-5

>

>Note: I tried to remove all the color from what I copied, but for a reason

>that I don't understand, AOL software would not let me change everything to

>black and white.

>

>The headline:

>Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000

>Deaths Every Year

>

>If you have an interest, you can read the article at:

>http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm

>

>Rich in Minnesota

>

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hits to your favorite web site for FREE!</A>

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October 16, 2002

Dear Friends,

To help put this into perspective the serial sniper in the Washington DC

area has killed 9 people since October 2nd. Given that the population of

the District of Columbia, Virginia and Maryland is about 4.6 percent of the

US population we would expect that approximately 480 people were killed by

doctors in the same period of time. Only about 80 people were killed by

automobiles in the same area during that time period.

If I lived in the DC area I would not be as concerned about the serial

sniper as I would be about driving since an accident while driving is more

likely to put me in contact with doctors.

At 08:17 AM 10/16/2002, you wrote:

>I imagine that the answer would surprise many people. The news is from an

>article in JAMA:

><A

>HREF= " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list\

_uids=10904513 & dopt=Abstract " >Journal

>American Medical Association</A> 2000 Jul 26;284(4):483-5

>

>Note: I tried to remove all the color from what I copied, but for a reason

>that I don't understand, AOL software would not let me change everything to

>black and white.

>

>The headline:

>Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000

>Deaths Every Year

>

>If you have an interest, you can read the article at:

>http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm

>

>Rich in Minnesota

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<bcarter

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Baker City, Oregon 97814

Phone: 541-523-3357

Web Pages:

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We must either let the Law of Love rule us through and through or not at

all. Love among ourselves based on hatred of others breaks down under the

slightest pressure. The fact is such love is never real love. It is an

armed peace. And so it will be in this great movement in the West against

war. War will only be stopped when the conscience of mankind has become

sufficiently elevated to recognize the undisputed supremacy of the Law of

Love in all the walks of life. Some say this will never come to pass. I

shall retain the faith till the end of my earthly existence that this shall

come to pass . . .

--Mahatma Gandhi--

October 17, 2002

Well I do live in the DC area, and it would be nice if we could pick and

choose like that but the risks are cumulative, and unlike automotive

risks there are really not any things we can do to reduce our odds vs

the sniper. You can only go so long without buying gas, groceries.....

Go pick some other example. We have more than enough to worry about

here as it is.

- Karen

Barry Carter wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> To help put this into perspective the serial sniper in the Washington

> DC

> area has killed 9 people since October 2nd. Given that the population

> of

> the District of Columbia, Virginia and Maryland is about 4.6 percent

> of the

> US population we would expect that approximately 480 people were

> killed by

> doctors in the same period of time. Only about 80 people were killed

> by

> automobiles in the same area during that time period.

>

> If I lived in the DC area I would not be as concerned about the serial

>

> sniper as I would be about driving since an accident while driving is

> more

> likely to put me in contact with doctors.

>

> At 08:17 AM 10/16/2002, you wrote:

> >I imagine that the answer would surprise many people. The news is

> from an

> >article in JAMA:

> ><A

>

HREF= " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_\

uids=10904513 & dopt=Abstract " >Journal

>

> >American Medical Association</A> 2000 Jul 26;284(4):483-5

> >

> >Note: I tried to remove all the color from what I copied, but for a

> reason

> >that I don't understand, AOL software would not let me change

> everything to

> >black and white.

> >

> >The headline:

> >Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing

> 250,000

> >Deaths Every Year

> >

> >If you have an interest, you can read the article at:

> >http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm

> >

> >Rich in Minnesota

>

> --

>

> With kindest regards,

>

> Barry Carter

> <bcarter

> 2319 Balm

> Baker City, Oregon 97814

> Phone: 541-523-3357

> Web Pages:

> Forest - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/bmnfa/index.htm

> ORMUS - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/whatisit.htm

>

> We must either let the Law of Love rule us through and through or not

> at

> all. Love among ourselves based on hatred of others breaks down under

> the

> slightest pressure. The fact is such love is never real love. It is an

>

> armed peace. And so it will be in this great movement in the West

> against

> war. War will only be stopped when the conscience of mankind has

> become

> sufficiently elevated to recognize the undisputed supremacy of the Law

> of

> Love in all the walks of life. Some say this will never come to pass.

> I

> shall retain the faith till the end of my earthly existence that this

> shall

> come to pass . . .

> --Mahatma Gandhi--

>

October 17, 2002

Wouldn't the guy have to be a total idiot to try it again? I

would think that while he's totally insane to be sniping to

begin with, he doesn't actually want to get caught, but then

maybe he does. Either way, with the " alert " going (at least

that's what's being reported on the news) and a " heads up " sort

of thing by the gov. agencies, you'd think it might be a bit

safer.

Its really kinda like the attack on the World Trade Center. We

could all be quaking under our sheets at home and never go out,

but we can't live that way. Eventually, we have to live again.

Its not a comparison of real equal magnitude perhaps, but it is

a comparison of " terror " .

As far as statistic for yearly deaths, I think it depends on

whats being sold. I'm not sure where the polls are from and

what the comparisons are, however, I'd say if you find someone

advertising how many deaths there are a year, you'll find

they're advertising something or other or perhaps doing a fund

raising of some sort.

So, if people want to now start thinking about how doctors cause

so many deaths, its a great way for the holistic or alternative

medicine areas to get back at the medical for all the times they

tried to put them out of business. I don't know that for a

fact, however, its a good shot. Its all very money and

political oriented as far as I can tell.

Lyn

--- Karen O'Donoghue <karen wrote:

> Well I do live in the DC area, and it would be nice if we

> could pick and

> choose like that but the risks are cumulative, and unlike

> automotive

> risks there are really not any things we can do to reduce our

> odds vs

> the sniper. You can only go so long without buying gas,

> groceries.....

>

> Go pick some other example. We have more than enough to worry

> about

> here as it is.

>

> - Karen

>

> Barry Carter wrote:

>

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > To help put this into perspective the serial sniper in the

> Washington

> > DC

> > area has killed 9 people since October 2nd. Given that the

> population

> > of

> > the District of Columbia, Virginia and Maryland is about 4.6

> percent

> > of the

> > US population we would expect that approximately 480 people

> were

> > killed by

> > doctors in the same period of time. Only about 80 people

> were killed

> > by

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October 17, 2002

Caroline wrote:

> << this thread is certainly about current events, but not particularly the

> list's subject matter >>

>

To make the best choices, consumers need to be informed. The article at

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm

gives people various specific data related to allopathic health care. There

are likely people on this list who have friends who may be facing a decision

about some health condition and may be wondering which route to take --

allopathic or holistic. I believe that most people in such situations would

have NO IDEA of the dangers of going the allopathic route. To the extent that

such information remains hidden, it does the patient a disservice by

depriving them of an informed choice.

<< Negativity and mud slinging is not the high road. It is petty and no

matter what the motivation, it doesn't make the slinger any cleaner

for the effort in anyone's eyes. >>

For perspective, let's look at this issue in a slightly different context.

Imagine Caroline that you were a researcher several decades ago who

discovered that cigarettes cause cancer. Should you not release your findings

to the public because that would be negativity/mud slinging?

How about the people who discovered the tire problems on Ford Explorers that

were causing fatal accidents. Should they have not released their findings

because that would be negative and not taking the high road?

Dr. Mercola is on a mission to inform consumers -- the idea being that

INFORMED consumers will make better choices regarding their health care.

Would you really prefer to RESTRICT information given to consumers to only

the good news?!

Tom Vizzini wrote: << It has been proven that the largest cause of death is

stupidity. Like believing any statistic that get published in the internet! >>

KNOWING the ramifications of a choice and then making a bad choice anyway is

one thing. But NOT realizing the ramifications of a choice is something else

-- not stupidity.

Sure Tom, a lot of bogus stuff is published on the Internet. But sometimes it

is possible to discern bogus from valid. In this case, the data was published

in the Journal of the American Medical Association - JAMA, the fountainhead

of allopathic medicine. I have to give them credit for introspection. After

all, how could an organization improve on a serious problem if they refuse to

acknowledge the existence of that problem?

Rich Putman in Minnesota

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October 17, 2002

Hi All:

I just wanted to make a comment on this thread (which is certainly

about current events, but not particularly the list's subject

matter...)

I believe that people interested in holism, true holism, which

approaches the entire person, should bear two things in mind when

beginning a business in holism.

The first is, that you must not lose sight of your ideals in pursuit

of success and money, or lose yourself and what is holistic about you

in the process. Secondly, approaching a client holistically is what

holistic practitioners are all about. That takes more time and

individual effort, something the current system is not all about. So

yes, although sometimes it can be money and politically oriented, my

personal opinion is that it takes a special person, a focused and

honest and generous person, to be a pioneer.

What holism does not need is the same people who have saturated

allopathy with sales pitches and aggression to do the same to what

ideally should be a more client focused, choice oriented way of

approaching health.

Negativity and mud slinging is not the high road. It is petty and no

matter what the motivation, it doesn't make the slinger any cleaner

for the effort in anyone's eyes.

Bear that in mind.

Personally, as a person who " straddles the fence " , working in the

allopathic as well as holistic systems, I want to be a bridge, not a

bridge burner. Efforts to burn bridges are wasteful, and do not

accomplish the goal of information people seem to think they do.

Frankly, it just disgusts me to see people dissing each other, mostly

out of spite and poverty consciousness.

Thanks,

Caroline

>

> So, if people want to now start thinking about how doctors cause

> so many deaths, its a great way for the holistic or alternative

> medicine areas to get back at the medical for all the times they

> tried to put them out of business. I don't know that for a

> fact, however, its a good shot. Its all very money and

> political oriented as far as I can tell.

>

October 17, 2002

Well, I for one agree with Caroline. The focus should not

be on scare tactics, but on information. One of the

unfortunate aspects of wellness is that often one is

forced into complicated decisions and challenges when

one is ill and has the least amount of energy to make such

choices. As many people are already suspicious of alternative

medicine, I feel an approach of righteousness and hostility toward

the mainstream medical community only serves to further alienate

the uninformed public. They are forced into choosing sides and

therefore go with what is known, what is familiar.

This is not to indicate that I don't appreciate information as you have

listed below. I actually find it fascinating. I am just wary of any sort

of burn and scorch campaign. Reece

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rputman

Thursday, October 17, 2002 9:05 AM

Re: The third leading cause of death in the US