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And here's my two-cents-worth:  An animal lover whom cats seem to prefer, although I have owned three dogs; the same disciplin of natural consequence which herded me into what some would call a "health nut" life-style some three decades ago was applied to my pets (and now the pet rabbit and pet chickens currently residing in a cage on the back porch and a small coop in the back yard, respectively).

 

The previous advice re "live" (enzyme-containing raw, i.e. unprocessed) food as opposed to "dead" (cooked, i.e. "processed") food is "right-on."

 

When my own diet was converted to one in which our family within our home had access to only, and therefore consumed only, chemical-free, unadulterated, "certified organic" foods, our pet cats (who were allowed out doors and therefore supplimented their diet of, mainly, our left-overs with their hunting for enzyme-rich raw food) did even better than before--especially when, after losing one of them to urinary problems because we'd moved from a rural, lake-and-forest, residence to the city where an enlarged other-people's-pet-cats population in the neighborhood cut down on her hunting and she had to be fed more canned food of which, unfortunately, she refused to eat only one brand which was totally ground-up fish---an o.k. as long as it was, as had been before, consumed only in small daily amounts because this cat was in the habit of catching and eating wild rabbit, et al, as well as field mice! 

 

Ladybird was a big cat and because her favorite food was bird, so the name  (although I did find her in a military base parking lot in N. Carolina during the time we had a First Lady with that nickname and this cat did seem to have a Southern "me-all".)

 

A researcher at heart, my mother says I drove my father nuts always asking questions when I hit that stage in childhood  and though his "Children should be seen and not heard" response, whenever I asked what he couldn't answer, finally sank in at his audible level, I've never ceased to question/investigate before  my time, talent or emotion (have no money) is invested in anything so when I couldn't afford to treat her with drugs anymore I perceived this was not a cure but only a treatment of symptoms I conceded to the inevitable (she was close to 20 years old by then) but the Vet had said something about "that cat food" causing a lot of cats kidney and urinary problems and since this occured at about the same time we were discovering the medically-prescribed fluoride supplement was responsible for all our little boy's strange health problems I thereby learned this ground-up fish and fish-bone cat food was thereby also high in fluoride so our pets from then on were on an "organic" diet as well--especially when I learned how animal food is made and what its made of.

 

Back then, in the sixties, ALPO brand was the only half-way "decent" prepared/canned pet food so I switched to feeding it as a supplement to their otherwise natural "raw" diet of whatever they caught outdoors (which, when consumed in total, as most pets do, provides the animal with the enzymes via the pre-digested nuts, seeds and plant [vegetable] matter their prey has been feeding on---a factor seldom considered when canned [cooked] or dry kibbled [cooked] animal feed is formulated.

 

When one's pet is nibbling at grass or eating certain plants in one's house, it is because they are thereby attempting to get the cancer-preventing nitrilosides and plant enzymes which their processed food does not provide. 

 

Cooking is a process.  No matter how "organic" the food is otherwise, cooking makes it into "dead" enzyme deficient food which makes it harder to digest and get use of other than as a glorified carbohydrate.

 

No matter if it is totally meat protein, unless it is in a raw or rare-cooked state, it is enzyme-deficient.  Enzymes are catalysts, i.e. they must be available in order for something to happen.  They function like the teacher in a schoolroom, the foreman on a job, or the manager of a store.  They must be there in order for something to take place; however, they do not become part of the finished product.

 

The ideal ratio of raw to processed is 90/10.  No one I've ever met has been able to meet that but, in this era, for Man and animal to enjoy optimal health they must make at least 60% of their diet raw.

 

We are omnivours; we eat meat (we just don't buy other than "certified organic" meat to serve in our home).  Beefalow, beef, turkey, chicken, pork; however, we will not consume pork otherwise.  It must be "organic"milk-fed not garbage nor commercially fed and the milk must not have been from  rBST (synthetic, fluoride-base, growth hormone)treated cows.

 

And to the subsequent question the preceeding should raise:  when we dine out we eat in the best of restaurants (no junk or "fast" foods) or when we sup with friends we ask God to bless the food (and, either before or immediately after, we make sure we take food supplements relative to the "compromises" that nourishment may contain--a direct subsequence of the past  35 years of  my independent "document research," i.e. self-education and on-going personal experience which, according to an Immunologist I became socially acquainted with back in the eighties, endowed me with an impressively practical, effective background in nutrition, biochemistry and immunology with a tad bit of astro-physics on the side).

 

I am a Survivor of the "New Health Catastrophes" (title of a book I read back in the seventies, authored by a much-persecuted MD  who first introduced me to the importance of enzymes in health maintenance and disease prevention), that is all. 

 

Betcha a dollar to a hole in a donut, if all variables are thoroughly investigated, your dog's health problem will have fluoride exposure somewhere in it....!      

 

Fluorides are enzyme poisons and a high raw foods diet---which includes adequate proteins and unprocessed, i.e. uncooked  plant, eg. flax, borage, primrose oils and animal, eg. egg yolk, source fats---is the only way to survive being done in early by this ubiquitous negative element, fluorine, and its demonically-nasty compounds, the fluorides.

 

---Rose Marie Waldram-Larson (aka O'Sian Doe)

A CITIZEN ALLERGIC TO FLUORIDE

POBox 457, Greenacres, Washington 99016

(509) 927-2559

 

 

 

Harvey Flatbush wrote:

 

I do have to say, there are some friendlies on this list.  I thank you all that responded.  I will go the Vitamin C route and change dog food brands.  I have been feeding her Kirkland brand lamb, meal and rice formula dry food with a third of a can of the same brand and formula added for taste. Kirkland is one of the brands sold at Costco.  I tried a brand made by Dynamite Marketing at www.dynamitemarketing.com which was very highly recommended to me but it made no change. 

 

Thank you all again for your various tips and suggestions

 

Harvey

 

On Fri, 30 May 2003 17:15:31 -0400, Carol Minnick wrote:>Hi Harvey and all,>>>>Sorry about your dog.  A lot of the bigger breed dogs do get that>problem.  Ill tell you what I did with my dog who I had several>years ago, who has since died of old age at the ripe old age of 18>she was a cross between a german shepherd and a collie.  First of>all what is she eating?  Just regular store-bought processed,>cooked, preserved dog food?  If so, you may want to change her diet>to be more of what dogs used to eat before we took over their diets.>Not to say you have to go out and kill rabbits for her to eat (but>actually that wouldnt be a bad idea).  Now that we have started>feeding them diets high in preservatives, high in artificial>ingredients, low or no enzymes because its all cooked and processed> they suffer from the same degenerative diseases that people do>(which is caused by pretty much the same lack of non-food that we>eat).  So I would say to visit a pet health food store, and they>would probably recommend a good dog food that is more natural that>all the store junk pet foods.  My animals are on Wysong which is>actually human grade food, but for pets. _____________

 

Junk is something you've kept for years and throw away three weeks before you need it.

 

Harvey Flatbush

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Hi Rose,

 

Great post – great information –

thanks! I agree with you –

enzymes are “it”!!

Another book –

actually a booklet, only about 50 pages long – is called “Big D’s,

little d’s” – the “D’s”

of course referring to “Diseases” – and the book states that

ALL big diseases start with the little d’s and

progress. Cancer and Diabetes, for

instance, don’t just happen overnight. There are always a

bunch of small “d’s” leading

up to them – headaches, indigestion, etc. If you don’t remove the small “d’s” from your body,

they will manifest into big “D’s”.

 

Carol Minnick

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Rose Larson

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Sunday, June 01, 2003 11:54 AM

 

Cc: seanhinckley

 

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