Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Did you know that body absorbs only up to 5 % of vitamins/minerals in pill form, but up to 98% in liquid form? Go to www.dali.concordefreedom.com to find out more. Dali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Yo D.C., My understanding is that it is not being liquid that is important to absorption, but the bioavailability of the form that the minerals are in, that is important. Minerals that come from 100% vegetable foods are more bioavailable than animal shells, skeletons, or rocks. Sea vegetables, such as Kombu, Arame, Hijiki, etc., are not only bioavailable, but the minerals are in the correct ratio to what the human body needs. Supplements, such as Kyo-Green, Blue-Green Algae, Chlorella, etc., may also help, but I prefer eating whole foods first. Except for you promoting supplements, as opposed to making the mineral source part of your daily diet, I think we are almost in complete agreement on this one. -- Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic Counselor Reiki Practitioner Professional Speaker > I think the liquid argument is best used against multi-mineral pills that > do not dissolve so well. But then you get to encapsulated mineral > powders. > > Minerals, even inorganic minerals for the most part can be ionized in the > stomach if the capsule breaks, particularly if there is the right amount > of stomach acid. Much of the mineral absorption takes place in the bowel, > which also has acid pH. Once ionized they can be absorbed. > > Liquids may be better for absorption, depending on the mineral, but they > also cost a lot to ship, so a dollar for dollar comparison might be more > valid. > > Organika or Kona Gold are minerals from the sea floor that are plant- > based and they do absorb. The Integris web site has a study that shows > how well absorbed their oral encapsulated supplement is. I use Organika > sea floor minerals in a capsule. > > Duncan Crow > > > > > > Did you know that body absorbs only up to 5 % of > > vitamins/minerals in pill form, but up to 98% in > > liquid form? > > > > Go to www.dali.concordefreedom.com > > > > to find out more. > > > > Dali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 That sounds real pricey considering it only has 25 mg of Pycnogenol per dose. Have you compared that to pure Pycnogenol sold by Solgar or some other major supplement manufacturer? Since there is a patent on Pycnogenol, my understanding is that it is only made by one company. -- Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic Counselor Reiki Practitioner Professional Speaker > Carol, > I only read the ditty about liquid vitamins and did not go to the web > site listed but if your interested in liquid vitamins there is a company > that sells them that I buy from called Market America. > > They have a product that I have to swear by, it's called OPC-3 > (oligomeric proanthocyanidins) it's made with grape seed, pine bark, and > red wine extracts as an anti oxident. It comes as granuals and you > mix it with water. The liquid is called Isotonix, you take it on an > empty stomach, it's said to hit the small intestine in 5 minutes where as > capselated vitamines take 40 minutes to 4 hours and much is lost. > > I buy it from a gal in Salt Lake, I usually call her to make my order but > she does have a site on the net > > I think it's www.brucedianashields@... > > But I'm not sure. > > The one thing I noticed right away, within a week, my hair which doesn't > grow no matter what I take, was growing, actually faster than I can cut > it or afford to cut it anyway, and the hair on my legs grows so fast it > drives me nuts, my skin is very clear and healthy looking. > > I have tried other products that I've been told are comparable, but they > are not. > > It's alittle spendy, about 80.00 for a 3 month supply. > > Hugs > Ginger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Very toxic substances are used in the manufacture of many vitamins, minerals, herbs, food supplements, and even processed foods. Since they are " washed off " from the final product, they are not listed on the label, even though there are trace amounts (or more) left. Even worse, " inert " ingredients are often not listed, toxic or not. And other processed components might only list the components name, and not fillers and toxins used to make the component. For example, aluminum trisilicate is added to salt, sugar, baking power, etc., to keep the granules from sticking together. That is only one of several reasons why it is important to get most, if not all, of your nutrition from whole or naturally fermented foods, and stay from processed foods, foods packaged in plastic, and pills of all sorts. -- Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic Counselor Reiki Practitioner Professional Speaker > I went to an OPC-3 website and this is what I found: > Are chemicals used in processing OPC-3? > > Water, butanol, and acetone are used in the extraction process. They are > completely evaporated during processing. > > **************** > > butanol is produced from petroleum. > > acetone is a colorless liquid used as a solvent. > > Why can't they extract with 180 proof grain alcohol? > > Sounded like a good product until I read the above. > > - > " Gillian Reed " <ggotts > > Saturday, July 26, 2003 9:46 PM > Re: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed > > > Carol, > I only read the ditty about liquid vitamins and did not go to the web > site listed but if your interested in liquid vitamins there is a company > that sells them that I buy from called Market America. > > They have a product that I have to swear by, it's called OPC-3 > (oligomeric proanthocyanidins) it's made with grape seed, pine bark, and > red wine extracts as an anti oxident. It comes as granuals and you > mix it with water. The liquid is called Isotonix, you take it on an > empty stomach, it's said to hit the small intestine in 5 minutes where > as > capselated vitamines take 40 minutes to 4 hours and much is lost. > > I buy it from a gal in Salt Lake, I usually call her to make my order > but > she does have a site on the net > > I think it's www.brucedianashields@... > > But I'm not sure. > > The one thing I noticed right away, within a week, my hair which doesn't > grow no matter what I take, was growing, actually faster than I can cut > it or afford to cut it anyway, and the hair on my legs grows so fast it > drives me nuts, my skin is very clear and healthy looking. > > I have tried other products that I've been told are comparable, but they > are not. > > It's alittle spendy, about 80.00 for a 3 month supply. > > Hugs > Ginger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Hi Gwen, Yes, I thought the same thing as you – I try to stay away from anything with petroleum, even if they do say it evaporates. Does it really? Not good to put anything IN your body or ON your body from the petrochemical companies. And isn’t acetone – nail polish remover? Carol -----Original Message----- gwen [gm4201] Sunday, July 27, 2003 10:49 AM Re: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed I went to an OPC-3 website and this is what I found: Are chemicals used in processing OPC-3? Water, butanol, and acetone are used in the extraction process. They are completely evaporated during processing. **************** butanol is produced from petroleum. acetone is a colorless liquid used as a solvent. Why can't they extract with 180 proof grain alcohol? Sounded like a good product until I read the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Good point Carol. Eating toxin substances is only of the one of three way to become toxic with them: 1. Ingestion 2. Absorption 3. Inhalation As Dr. Sherry Rogers often says in her books on environmental medicine, if you can smell it, then it is already in your blood. -- Signature Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic Counselor Reiki Practitioner Professional Speaker Hi Gwen, Yes, I thought the same thing as you – I try to stay away from anything with petroleum, even if they do say it evaporates. Does it really? Not good to put anything IN your body or ON your body from the petrochemical companies. And isn’t acetone – nail polish remover? Carol gwen [gm4201] Sunday, July 27, 2003 10:49 AM Re: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed I went to an OPC-3 website and this is what I found: Are chemicals used in processing OPC-3? Water, butanol, and acetone are used in the extraction process. They are completely evaporated during processing. **************** butanol is produced from petroleum. acetone is a colorless liquid used as a solvent. Why can't they extract with 180 proof grain alcohol? Sounded like a good product until I read the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 You can go to this web page to research the products: https://lifeforce-intl.com/index.asp?rpin=20407605 Dali --- Carol Minnick <carolminnick wrote: > Hi Ginger, > > No, I'm not really interested in buying any liquid > vitamins - I already > use a product that I'm very happy with and it is > also 98% absorbable, > but it is made from a whole food, not isolated > ingredients. > > I was mainly interested in reading the article that > Dali said was on > that website that was listed - but when I went to > the website, all it > was, was a qet rich quick scheme. > > Dali - do you know the correct website for that > article? > > Thanks, > Carol > > > Gillian Reed [ggotts] > Carol, > I only read the ditty about liquid vitamins and did > not go to the web > site listed but if your interested in liquid > vitamins there is a company > that sells them > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Hi Donald! I can provide you with more information about the Lifeforce Liquid Supplements. Go to: https://lifeforce-intl.com/index.asp?rpin=20407605 They have it all on their web page. I used to be on crutches, thanks to this my body healed itself. Dali --- " Donald E. Jacobs " <res1odrh wrote: > Yo D.C., > > My understanding is that it is not being liquid that > is important to > absorption, but the bioavailability of the form that > the minerals are > in, that is important. Minerals that come from 100% > vegetable foods are > more bioavailable than animal shells, skeletons, or > rocks. > > Sea vegetables, such as Kombu, Arame, Hijiki, etc., > are not only > bioavailable, but the minerals are in the correct > ratio to what the > human body needs. Supplements, such as Kyo-Green, > Blue-Green Algae, > Chlorella, etc., may also help, but I prefer eating > whole foods first. > > Except for you promoting supplements, as opposed to > making the mineral > source part of your daily diet, I think we are > almost in complete > agreement on this one. > -- > Donald E. Jacobs > Registered Massage Therapist > Macrobiotic Counselor > Reiki Practitioner > Professional Speaker > > > I think the liquid argument is best used against > multi-mineral pills that > > do not dissolve so well. But then you get to > encapsulated mineral > > powders. > > > > Minerals, even inorganic minerals for the most > part can be ionized in the > > stomach if the capsule breaks, particularly if > there is the right amount > > of stomach acid. Much of the mineral absorption > takes place in the bowel, > > which also has acid pH. Once ionized they can be > absorbed. > > > > Liquids may be better for absorption, depending on > the mineral, but they > > also cost a lot to ship, so a dollar for dollar > comparison might be more > > valid. > > > > Organika or Kona Gold are minerals from the sea > floor that are plant- > > based and they do absorb. The Integris web site > has a study that shows > > how well absorbed their oral encapsulated > supplement is. I use Organika > > sea floor minerals in a capsule. > > > > Duncan Crow > > > > > > > > > Did you know that body absorbs only up to 5 % of > > > vitamins/minerals in pill form, but up to 98% in > > > liquid form? > > > > > > Go to www.dali.concordefreedom.com > > > > > > to find out more. > > > > > > Dali > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 Dali – I still do not see the article you mentioned. I think you said it was about vitamins pills not being absorbed. Can you send me a direct link to that one particular article? I am not at all interested in reading about all of those supplements that you sell, or your marketing materials, I just want to read the article. Thanks, Carol -----Original Message----- DALI MOYZES [dali_m_2002] You can go to this web page to research the products: https://lifeforce-intl.com/index.asp?rpin=20407605 Dali --- Carol Minnick <carolminnick wrote: > Hi Ginger, > > No, I'm not really interested in buying any liquid > vitamins - I already > use a product that I'm very happy with and it is > also 98% absorbable, > but it is made from a whole food, not isolated > ingredients. > > I was mainly interested in reading the article that > Dali said was on > that website that was listed - but when I went to > the website, all it > was, was a qet rich quick scheme. > > Dali - do you know the correct website for that > article? > > Thanks, > Carol > > > Gillian Reed [ggotts] > Carol, > I only read the ditty about liquid vitamins and did > not go to the web > site listed but if your interested in liquid > vitamins there is a company > that sells them > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 I don't know where this nonsense about "...vitamin pills not being absorbed" comes from, but you can make a simple test that will dramatically disprove it. Take plain Niacin (vit. B3), and wait a few minutes. Don't take it with aspirin or Vit. C. Take it by itself. Try about 100mg. It that doesn't do it, try a bit more, and wait a while. Unless you're very unusual you'll soon experience a powerful, hot, skin flush. For many people, their faces will look like they're sunburned, and they'll feel like they're burning up. This reaction can demonstrate the absorbability of Vit. C. Take the Niacin, along with a large dose, 1 gram or more, of Vit. C tablets. In most cases, you'll notice that the flush is nearly imperceptible. Aspirin, another tablet which, according to the myth, will not be absorbed (apparently because it's a "pill") will also dampen the Niacin flush. JP - Carol Minnick Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:30 AM RE: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed Dali – I still do not see the article you mentioned. I think you said it was about vitamins pills not being absorbed. Can you send me a direct link to that one particular article? I am not at all interested in reading about all of those supplements that you sell, or your marketing materials, I just want to read the article. Thanks, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 As far as I know, it is the bio-availability of the ingredients that determines the absorbability, not whether it is liquid or not. The " 98% absorbed " is probability a marketing term to sell liquid vitamins. -- Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic Counselor Reiki Practitioner Professional Speaker > I don't know where this nonsense about " ...vitamin pills not being > absorbed " comes from, but you can make a simple test that will > dramatically disprove it. Take plain Niacin (vit. B3), and wait a few > minutes. Don't take it with aspirin or Vit. C. Take it by itself. Try > about 100mg. It that doesn't do it, try a bit more, and wait a while. > Unless you're very unusual you'll soon experience a powerful, hot, > skin flush. For many people, their faces will look like they're > sunburned, and they'll feel like they're burning up. > This reaction can demonstrate the absorbability of Vit. C. Take the > Niacin, along with a large dose, 1 gram or more, of Vit. C tablets. In > most cases, you'll notice that the flush is nearly imperceptible. > Aspirin, another tablet which, according to the myth, will not be > absorbed (apparently because it's a " pill " ) will also dampen the > Niacin flush. > JP > - > Carol Minnick <carolminnick > > > Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:30 AM > RE: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed > > Dali I still do not see the article you mentioned. I think you said > it was about vitamins pills not being absorbed. Can you send me a > direct link to that one particular article? I am not at all interested > in reading about all of those supplements that you sell, or your > marketing materials, I just want to read the article. > Thanks, > Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 This might help with the basics of why some vitamins are not absorbed. A check at any sewage processing plant can be made for the presence of any undigested vitamins. The worst offender for being near worthless is a popular one that is long with rounded ends. C------ . So undigested that it is possible to take one quick look and know who made it. Jim P - John Polifronio Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:23 PM Re: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed I don't know where this nonsense about "...vitamin pills not being absorbed" comes from, but you can make a simple test that will dramatically disprove it. Take plain Niacin (vit. B3), and wait a few minutes. Don't take it with aspirin or Vit. C. Take it by itself. Try about 100mg. It that doesn't do it, try a bit more, and wait a while. Unless you're very unusual you'll soon experience a powerful, hot, skin flush. For many people, their faces will look like they're sunburned, and they'll feel like they're burning up. This reaction can demonstrate the absorbability of Vit. C. Take the Niacin, along with a large dose, 1 gram or more, of Vit. C tablets. In most cases, you'll notice that the flush is nearly imperceptible. Aspirin, another tablet which, according to the myth, will not be absorbed (apparently because it's a "pill") will also dampen the Niacin flush. JP - Carol Minnick Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:30 AM RE: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed Dali – I still do not see the article you mentioned. I think you said it was about vitamins pills not being absorbed. Can you send me a direct link to that one particular article? I am not at all interested in reading about all of those supplements that you sell, or your marketing materials, I just want to read the article. Thanks, Carol «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»NATIONWIDE DENTAL BENEFITS PACKAGE PLUSSAVE UP TO 80% on DENTAL, PRESCRIPTIONS DRUGS,GLASSES, CONTACTS, VISION CARE, & CHIROPRACTIC.$11.95 For Single or$19.95 For an entire household per month!Immediate Coverage * No Waiting Period Pre-existing Covered * No Limit on Benefits http://www.mybenefitsplus.com/MMerrill/ Email: MEM121«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§ - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! §Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.**COPYRIGHT NOTICE**In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107,any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 I would believe that the RATE of absorption of liquids is FASTER than capsules or tablets. As mentioned below, with a Niacin flush, if I want to speed up the absorption of Niacin, I break open the capsule and dissolve the contents in water. I get the flush must faster. I doubt that the percentage of what is absorbed is greater. I would also believe that tablets are harder to digest than liquids or capsules. But that is probably function of what shape your digestive system is in. I remember hearing the story about finding whole vitamin/mineral tablets in the sewer from a promotional tape for colloidal minerals. I don't know that I can simply " check at any sewage processing plant " and find them (I also don't think I would want to, either). If I remember correctly, the original post was to check out a web site for more information on " Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed " . When you pulled up the site, it told you how to make $5,000 to $10,000 a month with their opportunity. So the real purpose of this never-ending thread, was to sponsor distributors. And the discussion will probably continue on as the MLMers battle it out for who has the best stuff. I still say that the best source of nutrients is FOOD. -- Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic Counselor Reiki Practitioner Professional Speaker > This might help with the basics of why some vitamins are not absorbed. > A check at any sewage processing plant can be made for the presence of > any undigested vitamins. The worst offender for being near worthless > is a popular one that is long with rounded ends. C------ . So > undigested that it is possible to take one quick look and know who > made it. > Jim P > - > John Polifronio <counterpnt > > > Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:23 PM > Re: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed > > I don't know where this nonsense about " ...vitamin pills not being > absorbed " comes from, but you can make a simple test that will > dramatically disprove it. Take plain Niacin (vit. B3), and wait a few > minutes. Don't take it with aspirin or Vit. C. Take it by itself. Try > about 100mg. It that doesn't do it, try a bit more, and wait a while. > Unless you're very unusual you'll soon experience a powerful, hot, > skin flush. For many people, their faces will look like they're > sunburned, and they'll feel like they're burning up. > This reaction can demonstrate the absorbability of Vit. C. Take the > Niacin, along with a large dose, 1 gram or more, of Vit. C tablets. In > most cases, you'll notice that the flush is nearly imperceptible. > Aspirin, another tablet which, according to the myth, will not be > absorbed (apparently because it's a " pill " ) will also dampen the > Niacin flush. > JP > - > Carol Minnick <carolminnick > > > Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:30 AM > RE: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed > > Dali I still do not see the article you mentioned. I think you said > it was about vitamins pills not being absorbed. Can you send me a > direct link to that one particular article? I am not at all interested > in reading about all of those supplements that you sell, or your > marketing materials, I just want to read the article. > Thanks, > Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 I'm a nurse and although at this time I work in OB, I also worked in Gastroenterology. We did Colonoscopys on Tuesdays and Wendsdays and did about 6 a day, times this by 8 years. I can tell you during colo's we pulled out vitamin pills of all sorts and " gum " . Not everything is as digested as we like to believe. For a colo the patient drinks a large amount of fluid specifically aimed at cleaning the large and small intestine of all it's contents. This would take 2 days, most of these patients would " stop " there vitamins days before, so here we would find vitamins that the patient took on friday and we've pulled it out on tuesday. Gillian On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 05:07:30 -0700 " JIM & BECKY PAYNE " <rebecca.payne writes: > This might help with the basics of why some vitamins are not > absorbed. A check at any sewage processing plant can be made for the > presence of any undigested vitamins. The worst offender for being > near worthless is a popular one that is long with rounded ends. > C------ . So undigested that it is possible to take one quick look > and know who made it. > Jim P > - > John Polifronio > > Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:23 PM > Re: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed > > > I don't know where this nonsense about " ...vitamin pills not being > absorbed " comes from, but you can make a simple test that will > dramatically disprove it. Take plain Niacin (vit. B3), and wait a > few minutes. Don't take it with aspirin or Vit. C. Take it by > itself. Try about 100mg. It that doesn't do it, try a bit more, > and wait a while. Unless you're very unusual you'll soon experience > a powerful, hot, skin flush. For many people, their faces will look > like they're sunburned, and they'll feel like they're burning up. > This reaction can demonstrate the absorbability of Vit. C. Take > the Niacin, along with a large dose, 1 gram or more, of Vit. C > tablets. In most cases, you'll notice that the flush is nearly > imperceptible. Aspirin, another tablet which, according to the > myth, will not be absorbed (apparently because it's a " pill " ) will > also dampen the Niacin flush. > JP > - > Carol Minnick > > Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:30 AM > RE: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed > > > Dali - I still do not see the article you mentioned. I think > you said it was about vitamins pills not being absorbed. Can you > send me a direct link to that one particular article? I am not at > all interested in reading about all of those supplements that you > sell, or your marketing materials, I just want to read the article. > > Thanks, > > Carol > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 I would suspect that most people who had a colonoscopy prescribed already had severe gastrointestinal problems. The first stage is to pump you full of medications, then do a colo when the meds did nothing but made you worse. It would be interesting to know if people who did not have GI problems, still had pills of any sort stuck in there colon. I would think that getting your colon back to a healthy state would be more important than pumping yourself full of instant fixes, whether they are meds, vitamins, etc., and whether they are pills, capsules, or liquid. -- Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic Counselor Reiki Practitioner Professional Speaker > I'm a nurse and although at this time I work in OB, I also worked in > Gastroenterology. We did Colonoscopys on Tuesdays and Wendsdays > and did about 6 a day, times this by 8 years. > I can tell you during colo's we pulled out vitamin pills of all sorts and > " gum " . Not everything is as digested as we like to believe. > For a colo the patient drinks a large amount of fluid specifically aimed > at cleaning the large and small intestine of all it's contents. This > would take 2 days, most of these patients would " stop " there vitamins > days before, so here we would find vitamins that the patient took on > friday and we've pulled it out on tuesday. > Gillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 I don't know the science, such as it is on the subject, but I know my own experience. The mouth, throat, esophagus, and stomach, are warm-to-hot and extremely moist. Take a bunch of tablets that you've had too long in your vitamin-cupboard, and before you throw them away, take a few of them, put them in a small cup, and add a tablespoon of warm water on top of those tablets. In a few " seconds " you'll see those tabs collapse into a liqueous mass. Hold a couple of nearly any nutrtional tablet in your mouth, and drink some water past them, attempting to hold the tabs in your mouth as the water slides through them. Notice how quickly you'll experience the intense and usually offensive flavors these supplements have, because the tabs will dissolve almost instantly. I use warmed water when I take vitamins, to accelerate this process. I suspect that poor breakdown of the hardest tablets has more to do with Donalds observation concerning the efficiency of a particular person's digestive system. I would say, however, that though I agree in principle with his view that " foods " are our best sources of nutrition, the truth is, that for various obvious reasons, unprocessed foods can be devitalized and nutritionally poor. JP - " Donald E. Jacobs " <donald.jacobs6 Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:22 AM Re: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed I would believe that the RATE of absorption of liquids is FASTER than capsules or tablets. As mentioned below, with a Niacin flush, if I want to speed up the absorption of Niacin, I break open the capsule and dissolve the contents in water. I get the flush must faster. I doubt that the percentage of what is absorbed is greater. I would also believe that tablets are harder to digest than liquids or capsules. But that is probably function of what shape your digestive system is in. I remember hearing the story about finding whole vitamin/mineral tablets in the sewer from a promotional tape for colloidal minerals. I don't know that I can simply " check at any sewage processing plant " and find them (I also don't think I would want to, either). If I remember correctly, the original post was to check out a web site for more information on " Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed " . When you pulled up the site, it told you how to make $5,000 to $10,000 a month with their opportunity. So the real purpose of this never-ending thread, was to sponsor distributors. And the discussion will probably continue on as the MLMers battle it out for who has the best stuff. I still say that the best source of nutrients is FOOD. -- Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic Counselor Reiki Practitioner Professional Speaker > This might help with the basics of why some vitamins are not absorbed. > A check at any sewage processing plant can be made for the presence of > any undigested vitamins. The worst offender for being near worthless > is a popular one that is long with rounded ends. C------ . So > undigested that it is possible to take one quick look and know who > made it. > Jim P > - > John Polifronio <counterpnt > > > Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:23 PM > Re: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed > > I don't know where this nonsense about " ...vitamin pills not being > absorbed " comes from, but you can make a simple test that will > dramatically disprove it. Take plain Niacin (vit. B3), and wait a few > minutes. Don't take it with aspirin or Vit. C. Take it by itself. Try > about 100mg. It that doesn't do it, try a bit more, and wait a while. > Unless you're very unusual you'll soon experience a powerful, hot, > skin flush. For many people, their faces will look like they're > sunburned, and they'll feel like they're burning up. > This reaction can demonstrate the absorbability of Vit. C. Take the > Niacin, along with a large dose, 1 gram or more, of Vit. C tablets. In > most cases, you'll notice that the flush is nearly imperceptible. > Aspirin, another tablet which, according to the myth, will not be > absorbed (apparently because it's a " pill " ) will also dampen the > Niacin flush. > JP > - > Carol Minnick <carolminnick > > > Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:30 AM > RE: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed > > Dali I still do not see the article you mentioned. I think you said > it was about vitamins pills not being absorbed. Can you send me a > direct link to that one particular article? I am not at all interested > in reading about all of those supplements that you sell, or your > marketing materials, I just want to read the article. > Thanks, > Carol «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» NATIONWIDE DENTAL BENEFITS PACKAGE PLUS SAVE UP TO 80% on DENTAL, PRESCRIPTIONS DRUGS, GLASSES, CONTACTS, VISION CARE, & CHIROPRACTIC. $11.95 For Single or $19.95 For an entire household per month! Immediate Coverage * No Waiting Period Pre-existing Covered * No Limit on Benefits http://www.mybenefitsplus.com/MMerrill/ Email: MEM121 «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ » § - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! § Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. 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Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Hi John. I think it depends on the pill. Some are so soft that they start to fall apart in the mouth before you can even swallow them. Some are coated and so hard that when you put them in a glass of water and vinegar for 24 hrs, they are as hard as when you put them in. Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.net - John Polifronio Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:23 PM Re: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed I don't know where this nonsense about "...vitamin pills not being absorbed" comes from, but you can make a simple test that will dramatically disprove it. Take plain Niacin (vit. B3), and wait a few minutes. Don't take it with aspirin or Vit. C. Take it by itself. Try about 100mg. It that doesn't do it, try a bit more, and wait a while. Unless you're very unusual you'll soon experience a powerful, hot, skin flush. For many people, their faces will look like they're sunburned, and they'll feel like they're burning up. This reaction can demonstrate the absorbability of Vit. C. Take the Niacin, along with a large dose, 1 gram or more, of Vit. C tablets. In most cases, you'll notice that the flush is nearly imperceptible. Aspirin, another tablet which, according to the myth, will not be absorbed (apparently because it's a "pill") will also dampen the Niacin flush. JP - Carol Minnick Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:30 AM RE: Liquid vitamins 98% absorbed Dali – I still do not see the article you mentioned. I think you said it was about vitamins pills not being absorbed. Can you send me a direct link to that one particular article? I am not at all interested in reading about all of those supplements that you sell, or your marketing materials, I just want to read the article. Thanks, Carol «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»NATIONWIDE DENTAL BENEFITS PACKAGE PLUSSAVE UP TO 80% on DENTAL, PRESCRIPTIONS DRUGS,GLASSES, CONTACTS, VISION CARE, & CHIROPRACTIC.$11.95 For Single or$19.95 For an entire household per month!Immediate Coverage * No Waiting Period Pre-existing Covered * No Limit on Benefits http://www.mybenefitsplus.com/MMerrill/ Email: MEM121«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§ - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! §Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.**COPYRIGHT NOTICE**In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107,any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Actually after the age of 50 many employers require this test, I know for a fact the Long Beach unified School District requires this procedure after age 50 to keep your job as part of an anual physical. Also those who have Colo's, not all are sick, only a small percent are sick. Most are having this test done as part of that yearly physical. When I was working Gastro, I worked for the Navy, and Long Beach Memorial Hospital. The Navy requires all personel after age 45 to recieve a colo every 3 years and a sigmoidoscopy every year. So no, these were not all sick people with digestive problems. These were healthy people trying to keep up on preveantive health Gillian On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:34:25 -0500 " Donald E. Jacobs " <donald.jacobs6 writes: > I would suspect that most people who had a colonoscopy prescribed > already had severe gastrointestinal problems. The first stage is to > pump > you full of medications, then do a colo when the meds did nothing > but > made you worse. It would be interesting to know if people who did > not > have GI problems, still had pills of any sort stuck in there colon. > > I would think that getting your colon back to a healthy state would > be > more important than pumping yourself full of instant fixes, whether > they > are meds, vitamins, etc., and whether they are pills, capsules, or > liquid. > -- > Donald E. Jacobs > Registered Massage Therapist > Macrobiotic Counselor > Reiki Practitioner > Professional Speaker > > > I'm a nurse and although at this time I work in OB, I also worked > in > > Gastroenterology. We did Colonoscopys on Tuesdays and Wendsdays > > and did about 6 a day, times this by 8 years. > > I can tell you during colo's we pulled out vitamin pills of all > sorts and > > " gum " . Not everything is as digested as we like to believe. > > For a colo the patient drinks a large amount of fluid specifically > aimed > > at cleaning the large and small intestine of all it's contents. > This > > would take 2 days, most of these patients would " stop " there > vitamins > > days before, so here we would find vitamins that the patient took > on > > friday and we've pulled it out on tuesday. > > Gillian > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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