Is Cancer Merely a Vitiman Deficiency?

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Not bad. It is not until the second sentence, third paragraph that one

encounters B.S. Many such articles start feeding the reader B.S. in the first or

second sentence!

 

> I often suspect Vitamin B-17 is purposely denied, " outlawed, " and

>otherwise ignored for the benefit of the medi-pharma-gods....

>

>deb

>

>http://www.joevialls.co.uk/vialls/laetrile1.html

>

>

>Donadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do

>(Til next we meet, Walk in Peace)

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d3feathers

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Monday, July 28, 2003 6:43 AM

 

Is

Cancer Merely a Vitiman Deficiency?

 

I often suspect Vitamin B-17 is purposely denied,

" outlawed, " and

otherwise

ignored for the benefit of the medi-pharma-gods....

 

deb

 

http://www.joevialls.co.uk/vialls/laetrile1.html

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

If you read up generally on orthomolecular subjects you'll run into many

doctors that supplement heavily to reduce cancer.

 

Following Linus Pauling's work, Dr. Abram Hoffer for example has used

vitamin C for decades. And many cancer clinics do as well, albeit

intravenously because the bowel can't handle up to 200 GRAMS they use

daily.

 

On my website you'll see that a cold-processed whey isolate has been

successfully used on prostate cancer (seven out of seven). It's data like

this that got Immunocal listed in the Physician's Desk Reference for (get

this) Prescription Drugs! Not bad for a supplement!!

 

Duncan Crow

 

>

> I often suspect Vitamin B-17 is purposely denied, " outlawed, " and

> otherwise ignored for the benefit of the medi-pharma-gods....

>

> deb

>  

> http://www.joevialls.co.uk/vialls/laetrile1.html

[Guest guest]

Neil....

 

That's why I'm on this list....I am not trained in any kind of healing /

nutrition / vitamin / or any other kind of medical / health field.....I

many times come to this board to read the professional knowledge /

practical application of you health workers.....and I appreciate what

you share with this list....

 

So....what kind of BS is this article plopping down for readers? To

the uninitiated (that'd be me), it sounds good. What was said in a

wrong way in the third paragraph?

 

Is there enough time in the day to answer that one? :-)

 

deb

 

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  Neil Jensen <neil

Date:  Mon Jul 28, 2003  7:32 am

Subject:  Re: Is Cancer Merely a Vitiman

Deficiency?

 

Not bad. It is not until the second sentence, third paragraph that one

encounters B.S. Many such articles start feeding the reader B.S. in the

first

or second sentence!

 

Donadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do

(Til next we meet, Walk in Peace)

--<<< --<<< --<<<

[Guest guest]

The second sentence, third paragraph makes the bald-faced lie that vegetarians

do not get cancer or, as i recall CHD. A bald-faced lie is B.S. IMHO.

 

>Neil....

>

>That's why I'm on this list....I am not trained in any kind of healing /

>nutrition / vitamin / or any other kind of medical / health field.....I

>many times come to this board to read the professional knowledge /

>practical application of you health workers.....and I appreciate what

>you share with this list....

>

>So....what kind of BS is this article plopping down for readers? To

>the uninitiated (that'd be me), it sounds good. What was said in a

>wrong way in the third paragraph?

>

>Is there enough time in the day to answer that one? :-)

>

>deb

 

 

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When the President is illegitimate,

Then the Bastards have won. -- Pop Ott

[Guest guest]

Cancer can only grow in an acid environment. Diets that have a lot of

acid forming foods, such as meat, tend to promote cancer.

 

There have been several books written by people who have had terminal

cancer and did everything modern medicine had to offer, and were still

told that there is nothing else that could be done to save them. They

went on a Macrobiotic lifestyle and the cancer magically went into

remission. Macrobiotics balances both Yin & Yang energies, as well as

Acid & Alkaline levels.

 

There was a medical study that showed that smokers actually had an

increase rick of cancer when taking vitamin C, than if they didn't take

vitamin C. From an energy standpoint, tobacco has Yin energy and so does

vitamin C. Therefore, taking vitamin C while using tobacco make these

people more Yin. If they ate a diet that balanced the body to being

neutral (not too Yin or Yang, and not to acidic or alkaline), I would

expect the risk of cancer to go way down.

 

If you take a lot of supplements, you may want to see someone who does

Traditional Chinese medicine. Being in balance (Mind, Body, & Spirit) is

the key to health.

--

Donald E. Jacobs

Registered Massage Therapist

Macrobiotic Counselor

Reiki Practitioner

Professional Speaker

 

> If you read up generally on orthomolecular subjects you'll run into many

> doctors that supplement heavily to reduce cancer.

>

> Following Linus Pauling's work, Dr. Abram Hoffer for example has used

> vitamin C for decades. And many cancer clinics do as well, albeit

> intravenously because the bowel can't handle up to 200 GRAMS they use

> daily.

>

> On my website you'll see that a cold-processed whey isolate has been

> successfully used on prostate cancer (seven out of seven). It's data like

> this that got Immunocal listed in the Physician's Desk Reference for (get

> this) Prescription Drugs! Not bad for a supplement!!

>

> Duncan Crow

>

> >

> > I often suspect Vitamin B-17 is purposely denied, " outlawed, " and

> > otherwise ignored for the benefit of the medi-pharma-gods....

> >

> > deb

> >

> > http://www.joevialls.co.uk/vialls/laetrile1.html

[Guest guest]

That is absolutely true. Even a strict vegan diet may not prevent or

cure cancer. Large fries and a Diet Cola is vegan, and will guarantee

health problems if that is your main source of nutrients.

--

Donald E. Jacobs

Registered Massage Therapist

Macrobiotic Counselor

Reiki Practitioner

Professional Speaker

 

> The second sentence, third paragraph makes the bald-faced lie that

> vegetarians do not get cancer or, as i recall CHD. A bald-faced lie is

> B.S. IMHO.

>

> >Neil....

> >

> >That's why I'm on this list....I am not trained in any kind of healing /

> >nutrition / vitamin / or any other kind of medical / health field.....I

> >many times come to this board to read the professional knowledge /

> >practical application of you health workers.....and I appreciate what

> >you share with this list....

> >

> >So....what kind of BS is this article plopping down for readers? To

> >the uninitiated (that'd be me), it sounds good. What was said in a

> >wrong way in the third paragraph?

> >

> >Is there enough time in the day to answer that one? :-)

> >

> >deb

[Guest guest]

Valid research by objective scientists contradicts the idea that eating meat,

per se, in any way causes or promotes cancer or CHD. If that hypothesis were

true, cancer and CHD would have been epidemic at the beginning of the 20th

century when most fats and proteins were derived from animal sources. They

weren't!

 

(See " The Neglected Nutritional Research of Dr. Weston A. Price, DDS. " )

<http://www.sumeria.net/health/price.html>

 

(See also " The Oiling of America. " )

<http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/oiling.html>

 

The lipid hypothesis was disproved BEFORE IT WAS EVEN FORMULATED!!!

 

>Cancer can only grow in an acid environment. Diets that have a lot of

>acid forming foods, such as meat, tend to promote cancer.

 

 

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Neil Jensen: neil

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

It has recently been discovered

that research causes cancer in rats.

[Guest guest]

You seem to be focusing on the word meat, and ignoring everything else.

 

People at the beginning of the 20th century ate a balanced diet, not

just mostly meat. Fruits and vegetables were also standard part of

meals. Foods were not processed, packaged in plastic or styrofoam, and

microwaved. Cattle were not pumped full of steroids and antibiotics.

 

Many things contribute to cancer. An unbalanced diet is one of them.

Toxins in the environment are another. Acid forming foods, whether

animal or vegetable based, need to be balanced with alkaline forming

foods (and that is based on valid research by objective scientists).

--

Donald E. Jacobs

Registered Massage Therapist

Macrobiotic Counselor

Reiki Practitioner

Professional Speaker

 

> Valid research by objective scientists contradicts the idea that

> eating meat, per se, in any way causes or promotes cancer or CHD. If

> that hypothesis were true, cancer and CHD would have been epidemic at

> the beginning of the 20th century when most fats and proteins were

> derived from animal sources. They weren't!

>

> (See " The Neglected Nutritional Research of Dr. Weston A. Price, DDS. " )

> <http://www.sumeria.net/health/price.html>

>

> (See also " The Oiling of America. " )

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/oiling.html>

>

> The lipid hypothesis was disproved BEFORE IT WAS EVEN FORMULATED!!!

>

> >Cancer can only grow in an acid environment. Diets that have a lot of

> >acid forming foods, such as meat, tend to promote cancer.

[Guest guest]

Have you ever seen me disagree with the fact that a well balanced diet is

important? I focus on meat and dairy because that the area in which the most

false claims are being made. For example, why is it that the distinction between

commercially grown vs. organically grown fruits and vegetables is made but the

same distinction IS IGNORED when meat and dairy are are being discussed?

 

Hydrogenation was invented in the second decade of the 20th century and shortly

thereafter P & G came out with Crisco, which was hydrogenated cottonseed oil -- an

oil that is unfit for human consumption even without hydrogenation. It was about

the same time that the technology for extracting oil from corn -- a grain that

does not easily give up its oil -- was invented. Other manufactured oils soon

followed. The lipid hypothesis was also invented about the same time by the food

manufacturers to boost sales.

 

The use of plastics in food containers did not begin until the late 1930s/early

1940s, and were not used extensively until after WW II. The increases in CHD and

cancer, however, began in the late 1920s -- immediately following the

introduction of manufactured fats and oils derived from vegetable sources as

replacements to the traditional fats and oils. Now will you accuse me of

claiming that the use of plastics for food packaging is not a contributory

factor? I think we can all agree to that. That is why i do not direct my

attention there. Once again, it is in the area of meat and dairy where the most

false claims are routinely being made, so THAT is where i direct my attention.

 

>You seem to be focusing on the word meat, and ignoring everything else.

>

>People at the beginning of the 20th century ate a balanced diet, not

>just mostly meat. Fruits and vegetables were also standard part of

>meals. Foods were not processed, packaged in plastic or styrofoam, and

>microwaved. Cattle were not pumped full of steroids and antibiotics.

>

>Many things contribute to cancer. An unbalanced diet is one of them.

>Toxins in the environment are another. Acid forming foods, whether

>animal or vegetable based, need to be balanced with alkaline forming

>foods (and that is based on valid research by objective scientists).

>--

>Donald E. Jacobs

>Registered Massage Therapist

>Macrobiotic Counselor

>Reiki Practitioner

>Professional Speaker

 

 

--

Neil Jensen: neil

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

" Obtuse Anger is that which is greater than Right Anger. "

-- Lewis Carroll

[Guest guest]

It looks like we are pretty much in agreement. You focus on meat and

dairy, while I focus on processed foods verses unprocessed foods.

 

Much of the lies about the real value of foods comes from the

advertising of processed foods. For example, look at hhow

polyunsaturated fats were marketed as being healthy, even when they were

highly processed into trans fatty acids.

 

The Standard American Diet consists of a large portion of meat, little

or no vegetables, and one or two large deserts (or is it desserts - I

could never keep that one straight). All of it is, of course, out of a

can or plastic bottle and micro waved. Is it any wonder that cancer is

approaching almost 100%.

 

I don't know if plastic food containers directly causes cancer, but it

does directly cause many other health problems. Either way, I avoid

plastic when I can.

 

I do disagree that cancer is merely a vitamin deficiency.

--

Donald E. Jacobs

Registered Massage Therapist

Macrobiotic Counselor

Reiki Practitioner

Professional Speaker

 

> Have you ever seen me disagree with the fact that a well balanced diet

> is important? I focus on meat and dairy because that the area in which

> the most false claims are being made. For example, why is it that the

> distinction between commercially grown vs. organically grown fruits

> and vegetables is made but the same distinction IS IGNORED when meat

> and dairy are are being discussed?

>

> Hydrogenation was invented in the second decade of the 20th century

> and shortly thereafter P & G came out with Crisco, which was

> hydrogenated cottonseed oil -- an oil that is unfit for human

> consumption even without hydrogenation. It was about the same time

> that the technology for extracting oil from corn -- a grain that does

> not easily give up its oil -- was invented. Other manufactured oils

> soon followed. The lipid hypothesis was also invented about the same

> time by the food manufacturers to boost sales.

>

> The use of plastics in food containers did not begin until the late

> 1930s/early 1940s, and were not used extensively until after WW II.

> The increases in CHD and cancer, however, began in the late 1920s --

> immediately following the introduction of manufactured fats and oils

> derived from vegetable sources as replacements to the traditional fats

> and oils. Now will you accuse me of claiming that the use of plastics

> for food packaging is not a contributory factor? I think we can all

> agree to that. That is why i do not direct my attention there. Once

> again, it is in the area of meat and dairy where the most false claims

> are routinely being made, so THAT is where i direct my attention.

>

> >You seem to be focusing on the word meat, and ignoring everything else.

> >

> >People at the beginning of the 20th century ate a balanced diet, not

> >just mostly meat. Fruits and vegetables were also standard part of

> >meals. Foods were not processed, packaged in plastic or styrofoam, and

> >microwaved. Cattle were not pumped full of steroids and antibiotics.

> >

> >Many things contribute to cancer. An unbalanced diet is one of them.

> >Toxins in the environment are another. Acid forming foods, whether

> >animal or vegetable based, need to be balanced with alkaline forming

> >foods (and that is based on valid research by objective scientists).

> >--

> >Donald E. Jacobs

> >Registered Massage Therapist

> >Macrobiotic Counselor

> >Reiki Practitioner

> >Professional Speaker

>

>

> --

> Neil Jensen: neil

[Guest guest]

Polyunsaturated oils are, for the most part, bad news. The mere fact that the

the molecule is not saturated means that it is trying to become saturated. They

will readily absorb oxygen atoms and the name for oxydized fats is rancid. Some

of the highly unsaturated oils become rancid at almost the moment that the oil

is extracted. Also, when they are heated above 320 deg. F, they convert into

trans fatty acids which are, simply put, poison. The temperature of baking

exceeds 320 deg.

 

A short time ago, a McDonald's press release claimed that they were eliminating

trans fatty acids from their french fries by ceasing the use of trans fatty

acid-containing oils and, instead, using polyunsaturated oil for frying. Anyone

with even a modicum of knowledge about saturated and unsaturated oils knows that

this will INCREASE the amount of trans fatty acids in the fries, not decrease

them. This news release was parroted on almost every national and local news

program, as well as printed news media. The whole thing was a scam, a lie.

Ignorance can kill you!

 

One of the few polyunsaturated fats that is healthy is flaxseed oil. It must be

remembered that this is a delicate oil and must be used fresh. If it is not

fresh, or is used in cooking, it becomes just another unhealthy vegetable oil to

be avoided.

 

Rapeseed oil (euphemistically referred to as Canola oil) contains 40% or more

TFA. Why? because during processing, it must be heated to temperatures exceeding

400 deg. F -- and held there for a considerable length of time -- during the

deodorization process. Unless it is deodorized, no one would buy it. It is,

however, an excellent penetrating oil for freeing rusted nuts and bolts. I keep

a small amount on hand for lubricating the door hinges on my car.

 

Below is a general guide to healthy fats and oils vs. unhealthy fats and oils

from the Weston A. Price Foundation Website:

<http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html>

 

These nutrient-rich traditional fats have nourished healthy population groups

for thousands of years:

 

Butter

Beef and lamb tallow

Lard

Chicken, goose and duck fat

Coconut, palm and sesame oils

Cold pressed olive oil

Cold pressed flax oil

Marine oils

 

These new-fangled fats can cause cancer, heart disease, immune system

dysfunction, sterility, learning disabilities, growth problems and osteoporosis:

 

All hydrogenated oils

Soy, corn and safflower oils

Cottonseed oil

Canola oil

All fats heated to high temperatures in processing and frying

I urge you to study Dr. Price's work. He was way ahead of his time so, because

they cannot disprove his well documented work and because it is contrary to most

modern theories of nutrition, it is mostly avoided. In fact, if you take most

modern theories of nutrition and turn them to their opposite, you will be closer

to the truth!

 

BTW, deserts has three esses (two in singular form).

 

I also agree that causes of cancer are much more complex than a mere vitamin

deficiency.

 

Main Entry: des·sert

Pronunciation: di-'z & rt

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle French, from desservir to clear the table, from des-

de- + servir to serve, from Latin servire

1600

1:a usually sweet course or dish (as of pastry or ice cream) served at the end

of a meal

2British :a fresh fruit served after a sweet course

 

>It looks like we are pretty much in agreement. You focus on meat and

>dairy, while I focus on processed foods verses unprocessed foods.

>

>Much of the lies about the real value of foods comes from the

>advertising of processed foods. For example, look at hhow

>polyunsaturated fats were marketed as being healthy, even when they were

>highly processed into trans fatty acids.

>

>The Standard American Diet consists of a large portion of meat, little

>or no vegetables, and one or two large deserts (or is it desserts - I

>could never keep that one straight). All of it is, of course, out of a

>can or plastic bottle and micro waved. Is it any wonder that cancer is

>approaching almost 100%.

>

>I don't know if plastic food containers directly causes cancer, but it

>does directly cause many other health problems. Either way, I avoid

>plastic when I can.

>

>I do disagree that cancer is merely a vitamin deficiency.

>--

>Donald E. Jacobs

>Registered Massage Therapist

>Macrobiotic Counselor

>Reiki Practitioner

>Professional Speaker

 

 

--

Neil Jensen: neil

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

Why would someone pay $1.89 for a bottle of Evian water?

(hint: Try spelling " Evian " backwards!)

[Guest guest]

Wow! All that AND a spelling lesson. I'm impressed!

 

If you eat lunch in the desert and you eat sand at the end, does that

make the desert dessert?

 

If you go to a deserted island that has tropical fruit trees, is it

really a desserted island?

 

This sure is confusing.

--

Donald E. Jacobs

Registered Massage Therapist

Macrobiotic Counselor

Reiki Practitioner

Professional Speaker

 

(snip)

 

> Main Entry: des·sert

> Pronunciation: di-'z & rt

> Function: noun

> Etymology: Middle French, from desservir to clear the table,

> from des- de- + servir to serve, from Latin servire

> 1600

> 1:a usually sweet course or dish (as of pastry or ice cream) served at

> the end of a meal

> 2British :a fresh fruit served after a sweet course

 

(snip)

[Guest guest]

I remember the way I could remember the

spelling of it when I was in school – dessert (what you eat at the end of

a meal) has two s’s – because you always

want more than one dessert!

Carol

 

 

Donald E. Jacobs

[res1odrh]

 

Wow! All that AND a spelling lesson. I'm impressed!

 

If you eat lunch in the desert and you eat sand at

the end, does that

make the desert dessert?

 

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whole-food supplements

that provide nutrients

essential for the health

of people, pets and plants.

http://www.BlueGreenSolutions.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

[Guest guest]

And if a soldier in Iraq goes AWOL carrying a piece of chocolate cake,

is he a desert desserter deserting?

 

Terry

 

 

Donald E. Jacobs [res1odrh]

Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:24 PM

 

Re: Re: Is Cancer Merely a Vitiman

Deficiency?

 

Wow! All that AND a spelling lesson. I'm impressed!

 

If you eat lunch in the desert and you eat sand at the end, does that

make the desert dessert?

 

If you go to a deserted island that has tropical fruit trees, is it

really a desserted island?

 

This sure is confusing.

--

Donald E. Jacobs

Registered Massage Therapist

Macrobiotic Counselor

Reiki Practitioner

Professional Speaker

 

(snip)

 

> Main Entry: des·sert

> Pronunciation: di-'z & rt

> Function: noun

> Etymology: Middle French, from desservir to clear the table,

> from des- de- + servir to serve, from Latin servire

> 1600

> 1:a usually sweet course or dish (as of pastry or ice cream) served at

 

> the end of a meal

> 2British :a fresh fruit served after a sweet course

 

(snip)

 

 

 

 

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Macrobiotic Counselor

Reiki Practitioner

Professional Speaker

 

> And if a soldier in Iraq goes AWOL carrying a piece of chocolate cake,

> is he a desert desserter deserting?

>

> Terry

>

>

> Donald E. Jacobs [res1odrh]

> Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:24 PM

>

> Re: Re: Is Cancer Merely a Vitiman

> Deficiency?

>

> Wow! All that AND a spelling lesson. I'm impressed!

>

> If you eat lunch in the desert and you eat sand at the end, does that

> make the desert dessert?

>

> If you go to a deserted island that has tropical fruit trees, is it

> really a desserted island?

>

> This sure is confusing.

> --

> Donald E. Jacobs

> Registered Massage Therapist

> Macrobiotic Counselor

> Reiki Practitioner

> Professional Speaker

>

> (snip)

>

> > Main Entry: des·sert

> > Pronunciation: di-'z & rt

> > Function: noun

> > Etymology: Middle French, from desservir to clear the table,

> > from des- de- + servir to serve, from Latin servire

> > 1600

> > 1:a usually sweet course or dish (as of pastry or ice cream) served at

>

> > the end of a meal

> > 2British :a fresh fruit served after a sweet course

>

> (snip)

[Guest guest]

My my, this discussion is certainly reaching new heights!

 

>I'm not sure, but I'll bet he's dead meat.

>--

>Donald E. Jacobs

>Registered Massage Therapist

>Macrobiotic Counselor

>Reiki Practitioner

>Professional Speaker

>

>> And if a soldier in Iraq goes AWOL carrying a piece of chocolate cake,

>> is he a desert desserter deserting?

>>

> > Terry

 

 

--

Neil Jensen: neil

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

There was a young lady who begat, Three babies named Nat, Pat and Tat.

It was fun in the breedin', But Hell in the feedin',

When she found she had no tit for Tat.