Carol//Doctors Call for Universal Health Insurance

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I pay taxes to support schools, and I don't have children, that does not seem fair to me either. If you have kids, you pay, why should I.

 

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Carol Minnick

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 1:16 PM

RE: Doctors Call for Universal Health Insurance

 

 

I don’t understand how it can be “more fair”. That would mean that I – who hasn’t been to the doctor in 25 years because I take care of myself – would have to pay for the health insurance of someone who, for instance, smokes and drinks and eats at McDonald’s & Krispy Kreme every day, and has all kinds of degenerative diseases. Doesn’t seem fair to me!

Carol

 

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I agree with you there – plus, I think once your kid

is out of school you should no longer have to pay school taxes. 

 

 

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luckypig

[luckypig]

 

 

 

 

I pay taxes to support schools, and

I don't have children, that does not seem fair to me either. If you have

kids, you pay, why should I.

 

 

 

 

 

L

 

 

 

-

 

 

Carol

Minnick

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 1:16 PM

 

 

RE:

Doctors Call for Universal Health Insurance

 

 

 

 

I don’t understand how it can

be “more fair”.  That would

mean that I – who hasn’t been to the doctor in 25 years because I

take care of myself – would have to pay for the health insurance of

someone who, for instance, smokes and drinks and eats at McDonald’s &

Krispy Kreme every day, and has all kinds of degenerative diseases.  Doesn’t seem fair to me!

Carol

 

 

luckypig [luckypig]

 

>

>

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More than 7,000 doctors, including two former

>

surgeons general, called for universal health insurance for the

United

> States

on Tuesday, saying it would not only be more fair,

>

 

 

 

 

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Quit paying taxes then.  Chances are quite

good that you don’t really owe them.  But I can’t speak about your

circumstances because I don’t’ know them.  Go to this link and

check things out:

 

 

http://www.givemeliberty.org     

You will see your state listed on there if you go the individual states on the

site.  Go and learn and find out what you can do to protect yourself from this

government.  You know a lot of the stuff concerning how to protect yourself healthwise,

so, lets learn some of the other stuff.

 

Ed

 

 

Carol Minnick

[carolminnick]

Wednesday,

August 13, 2003 12:32 PM

To:

 

RE: Carol//Re:

Doctors Call for Universal Health Insurance

 

I agree with you there –

plus, I think once your kid is out of school you should no longer have to pay

school taxes. 

 

 

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luckypig

[luckypig]

 

 

 

 

I pay taxes to support schools, and I

don't have children, that does not seem fair to me either. If you have

kids, you pay, why should I.

 

 

 

 

 

L

 

 

 

-

 

 

Carol Minnick

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wednesday, August

13, 2003 1:16 PM

 

 

RE:

Doctors Call for Universal Health Insurance

 

 

 

 

I don’t understand how it can

be “more fair”.  That would mean that I – who hasn’t

been to the doctor in 25 years because I take care of myself – would have

to pay for the health insurance of someone who, for instance, smokes and drinks

and eats at McDonald’s & Krispy Kreme every day, and has all kinds of

degenerative diseases.  Doesn’t seem fair to me!

Carol

 

 

luckypig

[luckypig]  

>

>

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More than 7,000 doctors, including two former

>

surgeons general, called for universal health insurance for the

United

> States

on Tuesday, saying it would not only be more fair,

>

 

 

 

 

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Ed,

 

Thanks for the link.  Lots to read!

 

Carol

 

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Ed Siceloff

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Quit paying

taxes then. Chances are quite good that you don’t really owe

them. But I can’t speak about your circumstances because I

don’t’ know them. Go to this link and check things out:

 

 

http://www.givemeliberty.org

You will see your state listed on there if you go the individual states on the

site. Go and learn and find out what you can do to protect yourself from

this government. You know a lot of the stuff concerning how to protect

yourself healthwise, so, lets learn some of the other stuff.

 

Ed

 

 

Carol Minnick

[carolminnick]

Wednesday, August 13, 2003

12:32 PM

To:

 

RE: Carol//Re:

Doctors Call for Universal Health Insurance

 

I agree with you there –

plus, I think once your kid is out of school you should no longer have to pay

school taxes.

 

 

 

luckypig

[luckypig]

 

 

I pay taxes to support schools, and

I don't have children, that does not seem fair to me either. If you have

kids, you pay, why should I.

 

 

 

 

 

L

 

 

 

-

 

 

Carol Minnick

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wednesday,

August 13, 2003 1:16 PM

 

 

RE:

Doctors Call for Universal Health Insurance

 

 

 

 

I don’t understand how it can

be “more fair”. That would mean that I – who

hasn’t been to the doctor in 25 years because I take care of myself

– would have to pay for the health insurance of someone who, for

instance, smokes and drinks and eats at McDonald’s & Krispy Kreme

every day, and has all kinds of degenerative diseases. Doesn’t seem

fair to me!

Carol

 

 

luckypig

[luckypig]

>

> WASHINGTON

(Reuters) - More than 7,000 doctors, including two former

>

surgeons general, called for universal health insurance for the United

> States

on Tuesday, saying it would not only be more fair,

>

 

 

 

 

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Lordy, just how much do you think it would cost you to pay for ALL of the costs

associated with educating your children K - 12?

 

>I agree with you there - plus, I think once your kid is out of school you

should no longer have to pay school taxes.Ê

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Actually, I

don’t think it costs that much – I have a couple friends who home school,

and it costs them for books – not sure what else they pay for, but the

parents are much happier.  Personally, I

don’t think I could do it – I don’t think I’m smart

enough to teach even algebra to somebody J

 

 

 

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Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:19 AM

 

RE: Carol//Re:

Doctors Call for

Universal Health

Insurance

 

Lordy, just how much do you think it would cost you to

pay for ALL of the costs associated with educating your children K - 12?

 

>I agree with you there - plus, I think once

your kid is out of school you should no longer have to pay school taxes.Ê

 

 

--

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The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

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you are a simpleton. "

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I think that you're perhaps just a tad naive. There is a whole lot more than

books to pay for.

 

>Actually, I don't think it costs that much - I have a couple friends who home

school, and it costs them for books - not sure what else they pay for, but the

parents are much happier.Ê Personally, I don't think I could do it - I don't

think I'm smart enough to teach even algebra to somebody J

 

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[Guest guest]

I’ve known quite a few people who

home school.  In the beginning, there are just books to buy.  You could buy a

computer as a teaching tool, but, you and your relationship with your child is

the primary teaching tool.  Actually this is how things are created.  Parents

are intended to nurture (teach) their children.  From their coming out to the

time that they go to school, you’ve been the primary teacher.  They are

being given your value system, your milieu around the home, your independence,

your diet and nutrition, etc.etc.  All of these are learning experiences. 

Children want to learn off their parents. 

  The job done at the public school

systems falls into a framework, really, of separating parents and children.  Look

at the philosophy of education promoted by John Dewey; one of the big names in

American public education.  The book “A Common Faith” of his

especially.  John D Rockefeller, also a major name in the development of

education had the stated goal of turning the schools into a foundational system

of establishing good employees that “do what they are told.”  As a

member of health and healing, I’m reasonably sure that you know what the

results are of doing what you are told by the experts.  The experts would seem

to have their own best interests at heart rather than yours.  The schools

represent a faith common to America.  Problem with that is that the particular faith does not

represent the individual rights that are supposed to be secured by government,

but rather the rights of a society that ir headed and ran by the government. 

  So the public schools do not, for the

most part, turn out good leaders.  They are very good at turning out dumbed

down people.  People that can learn a technology, or a technique to earn a

living with while working for somebody else.  And who will accept the crumbs

offered as if that is all there is to life. 

  If you want your children to learn to be

leaders, if only in their own families, homeschool them, at least for a few

years.  Home schooled children have a better chance to be leaders because,

after all, they learned from a leading parent.  You are a leading parent when

you teach your child to teach for themselves.  And they are going to more

readily learn how to think for themselves through the medium of their parents

than the public school.  The public school has a vast amount of resources

compared to the home school.  But they don’t teach children how to

think.  And so the vast amount of material coming out of schools, end up

actually being unable to learn correctly later on when they need to learn. 

Teach a child how to think, and they can learn anything that they choose.  And

when they know how to think, they will make good value judgments about what

they need to learn.

  What you would do as a home school, does

not require you to have all the resources that the public school has.  Don’t

be afraid of that.  And in some states, and counties, by law they have to share

some of those resources with you if you so desire.  Remember you already have

the 5-6 years of teaching experience done.  Your child learned the language

from you, to a certain degree.  The main functions.  The school’s job, to

some degree, is stated to be to separate the child from the parent.  Part of

that reason is so that the child no longer wishes to learn from the parent. 

The reason for that is that the parent’s world and life view may not be

conducive to the main purposes of the public educational system.    Very often

when the public system fails this is exactly the reason.  But that is often not

a slight on the parent, merely a statement of what the public educational

system is.  Its designed to fit the children into the public.  No thinking

permitted that goes against the grain of the public.  Witness the Patriot Act

which, ultimately, is a restatement of exactly that.  The government leads,

your child does not, you do not.  No disagreements allowed.  Welcome to the

results of the last 100 years of the public educational system.  This is what

we are fighting. 

 

Ed

 

 

Neil Jensen

[neil]

Thursday, August 14, 2003

8:25 AM

To:

 

RE: Carol//Re:

Doctors Call for Universal Health Insurance

 

I think that you're perhaps just a tad naive. There is

a whole lot more than books to pay for.

 

>Actually, I don't think it costs that much - I

have a couple friends who home school, and it costs them for books - not sure

what else they pay for, but the parents are much happier.Ê Personally, I don't

think I could do it - I don't think I'm smart enough to teach even algebra to

somebody J

 

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A lot of times I will

see in the paper results of a spelling bee, geography bee, or whatever –

and usually the winner will be a home-schooled

child. Interesting…..

 

I’ve also just

read about un-school – I guess that’s different than home school.

I’m too old for all this

anyway, but I am going to recommend it

for my grandkids.

 

Carol

 

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Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:37 AM

 

RE: Carol//Re:

Doctors Call for

Universal Health

Insurance

 

I’ve

known quite a few people who home school. In the beginning, there are

just books to buy. You could buy a computer as a teaching tool, but, you

and your relationship with your child is the primary teaching tool.

Actually this is how things are created. Parents are intended to nurture

(teach) their children. From their coming out to the time that they go to

school, you’ve been the primary teacher. They are being given your

value system, your milieu around the home, your independence, your diet and nutrition,

etc.etc. All of these are learning experiences. Children want to

learn off their parents.

The

job done at the public school systems falls into a framework, really, of

separating parents and children. Look at the philosophy of education promoted

by John Dewey; one of the big names in American public education. The

book “A Common Faith” of his especially. John D Rockefeller,

also a major name in the development of education had the stated goal of

turning the schools into a foundational system of establishing good employees

that “do what they are told.” As a member of health and

healing, I’m reasonably sure that you know what the results are of doing

what you are told by the experts. The experts would seem to have their

own best interests at heart rather than yours. The schools represent a

faith common to America. Problem with that is that the particular faith

does not represent the individual rights that are supposed to be secured by

government, but rather the rights of a society that ir headed and ran by the

government.

So the

public schools do not, for the most part, turn out good leaders. They are

very good at turning out dumbed down people. People that can learn a

technology, or a technique to earn a living with while working for somebody

else. And who will accept the crumbs offered as if that is all there is

to life.

If you

want your children to learn to be leaders, if only in their own families,

homeschool them, at least for a few years. Home schooled children have a

better chance to be leaders because, after all, they learned from a leading

parent. You are a leading parent when you teach your child to teach for

themselves. And they are going to more readily learn how to think for

themselves through the medium of their parents than the public school.

The public school has a vast amount of resources compared to the home

school. But they don’t teach children how to think. And so

the vast amount of material coming out of schools, end up actually being unable

to learn correctly later on when they need to learn. Teach a child how to

think, and they can learn anything that they choose. And when they know

how to think, they will make good value judgments about what they need to

learn.

What

you would do as a home school, does not require you to have all the resources

that the public school has. Don’t be afraid of that. And in

some states, and counties, by law they have to share some of those resources

with you if you so desire. Remember you already have the 5-6 years of teaching

experience done. Your child learned the language from you, to a certain

degree. The main functions. The school’s job, to some degree,

is stated to be to separate the child from the parent. Part of that

reason is so that the child no longer wishes to learn from the parent.

The reason for that is that the parent’s world and life view may not be

conducive to the main purposes of the public educational system.

Very often when the public system fails this is exactly the reason.

But that is often not a slight on the parent, merely a statement of what the

public educational system is. Its designed to fit the children into the

public. No thinking permitted that goes against the grain of the

public. Witness the Patriot Act which, ultimately, is a restatement of

exactly that. The government leads, your child does not, you do

not. No disagreements allowed. Welcome to the results of the last

100 years of the public educational system. This is what we are

fighting.

 

Ed

 

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[Guest guest]

I also believe that if I own property and pay taxes on it I should be able to vote on who will decide how those taxes will be spent and should be able to vote on any bond issues and teachers salary whether or not I am a resident of the city limits. In other words I should have a voice in who will represent me and my taxes.

Jim Payne

 

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luckypig

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:21 AM

Carol//Re: Doctors Call for Universal Health Insurance

 

I pay taxes to support schools, and I don't have children, that does not seem fair to me either. If you have kids, you pay, why should I.

 

L

 

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Carol Minnick

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 1:16 PM

RE: Doctors Call for Universal Health Insurance

 

 

I don’t understand how it can be “more fair”. That would mean that I – who hasn’t been to the doctor in 25 years because I take care of myself – would have to pay for the health insurance of someone who, for instance, smokes and drinks and eats at McDonald’s & Krispy Kreme every day, and has all kinds of degenerative diseases. Doesn’t seem fair to me!

Carol

 

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