Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 In a message dated 2/23/03 12:50:10 PM, Gettingwell writes: << And now, we have the looming specter or war approaching. That is a > health issue for many people, even if maybe not you personally. > > > > I would like input from all members on these issues. >> I like this list.... However, lately I've been downloading them into a folder on my desktop, and I've gotten woefully behind on going through them. I don't want to just delete them when I don't have time to read because when I do read them I've gotten so much great information and referrals to other web sites for yet more information. So because of that, I missed the post asking for feedback. When the digest has too many posts for my aol, it's an attachment, and the attachments are the ones that get downloaded into the folder. Because there's so much good really health-related info, I'd vote for no strictly political postings. While I agree that it's health related and stress related, there are many other groups and lists more suited to that, and many I also receive. Check out moveon.org Thanks for all the good work, Frank. I can't imagine how much extra effort it takes to monitor and facilitate a group like this. Sure, there are lot of posts I'm not interested in--- so I just scroll through them, acknowledging that it may be just the thing someone else wants or needs to read. Thank you!! jody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Why are we getting so much political discussion on this list – isn’t there another list that this can be taken to? I joined to talk about “health and healing” – not president Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Because, IMHO, health and politics are inextricably entwined -- especially now that our government is of, by and for rich, powerfull corporations, the people be damned. >Why are we getting so much political discussion on this list - isn't there another list that this can be taken to? I joined to talk about " health and healing " - not president Bush. -- Neil Jensen: neil The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/ " Dragons is sooooo stupid! " -- Yosemite Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 I have to agree with the person who posted that they are concerned about political talk, on an ostensibly health and healing site. But there two sides to this issue. Just as Clinton made some political centrists, a lot of conservatives, and nearly all right wingers sick, G. W. Bush is making some political centrists, a lot of liberals, and nearly all left wingers sick. Health is not simply defined as physical, there is an extremely important emotional dimension to health. But more than that, emotional health, can affect, sometimes disastrously, our physical well-being. Democrats are angry with a president and administration that turns a blind eye to funding for health care, and contemptuously dismisses a desperately needed, " single payer " medical system " as " socialized medicine. " Over 40 million people have no health insurance. JP - " Neil Jensen " <neil Sunday, August 17, 2003 3:25 PM Re: political stuff Because, IMHO, health and politics are inextricably entwined -- especially now that our government is of, by and for rich, powerfull corporations, the people be damned. >Why are we getting so much political discussion on this list - isn't there another list that this can be taken to? I joined to talk about " health and healing " - not president Bush. -- Neil Jensen: neil The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/ " Dragons is sooooo stupid! " -- Yosemite Sam «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» NATIONWIDE DENTAL BENEFITS PACKAGE PLUS SAVE UP TO 80% on DENTAL, PRESCRIPTIONS DRUGS, GLASSES, CONTACTS, VISION CARE, & CHIROPRACTIC. $11.95 For Single or $19.95 For an entire household per month! Immediate Coverage * No Waiting Period Pre-existing Covered * No Limit on Benefits http://www.mybenefitsplus.com/MMerrill/ Email: MEM121 «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ » § - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! § Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 I'll second that. While he may deserve it, there is probably a better place for Bush bashing than here. -- Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic Counselor Reiki Practitioner Professional Speaker > Why are we getting so much political discussion on this list isnt > there another list that this can be taken to? I joined to talk about > health and healing not president Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 How could one avoid talking about “political stuff” in a country, indeed, in a world, where medicine is defined by government. Just as there are numerous lobbies wining and dining politicians for the pharmaceutical corporations, there are also lobbyist groups doing the same for “alternative” medicine. Just not nearly as powerful, not nearly as generous in “gifting”; much more rational in argumentation and presentation of scientific evidence; etc.etc. As well, doctors of anything have to be licensed by the government; a massage therapist in most states is also regulated, licensed, by the government (Pennsylvania is an exception, that last time I heard anyways); government, or at least its non-elected regulatory bodies (still political jobs) like the FDA actually define what medicine is, what food is, what cosmetics and food additives are, etc. They decide what will and what will not be regulated and how. Actually, pretty much of all the issues start and end with government. If people had their free choice to eat what they chose for their medicine (food is medicine) or take the pharmaceutical medicines of their choice, whether such medicines were experimental; well-established; quackery; or just flat out faith healing; or practice in Taoist witchcraft for healing: then, government would not be an issue. If government by authority extraneous to the individual’s own authority over his/her life would just go away, there would not be political stuff to discuss, but, rather, various healing methods, or prevention methods, would be the topic of education. That would also establish a free marketplace wherein if something didn’t work, it would not be promoted anymore. Until such a thing happens (and it doesn’t look like it is going to in the very near future) food/medicine remains almost centrally a political issue. Wouldn’t want to be caught disobeying the law now would ya?! Ed Carol Minnick [carolminnick] Sunday, August 17, 2003 4:46 PM political stuff Why are we getting so much political discussion on this list – isn’t there another list that this can be taken to? I joined to talk about “health and healing” – not president Bush. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» NATIONWIDE DENTAL BENEFITS PACKAGE PLUS SAVE UP TO 80% on DENTAL, PRESCRIPTIONS DRUGS, GLASSES, CONTACTS, VISION CARE, & CHIROPRACTIC. $11.95 For Single or $19.95 For an entire household per month! Immediate Coverage * No Waiting Period Pre-existing Covered * No Limit on Benefits http://www.mybenefitsplus.com/MMerrill/ Email: MEM121 «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» § - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! § Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Well, we can compromise. Perhaps we can agree to allow for an occasional reference to the political forces that influence health and health-care in this country, as long as we don't dwell on it excessively, or allow it do dominate discussion and debate. JP - " Donald E. Jacobs " <donald.jacobs6 Sunday, August 17, 2003 10:32 PM Re: political stuff I'll second that. While he may deserve it, there is probably a better place for Bush bashing than here. -- Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic Counselor Reiki Practitioner Professional Speaker > Why are we getting so much political discussion on this list isnt > there another list that this can be taken to? I joined to talk about > health and healing not president Bush. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» NATIONWIDE DENTAL BENEFITS PACKAGE PLUS SAVE UP TO 80% on DENTAL, PRESCRIPTIONS DRUGS, GLASSES, CONTACTS, VISION CARE, & CHIROPRACTIC. $11.95 For Single or $19.95 For an entire household per month! Immediate Coverage * No Waiting Period Pre-existing Covered * No Limit on Benefits http://www.mybenefitsplus.com/MMerrill/ Email: MEM121 «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ » § - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! § Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Well, that’s true, but what I meant was, can’t we get back to just talking about --– I have arthritis, or what helps with warts, or my son has ADHD, or my brother just came down with pneumonia – or whatever – and what can be done “health-wise” to help with those problems. Carol -----Original Message----- Ed Siceloff [siceloff] Monday, August 18, 2003 1:49 AM RE: political stuff How could one avoid talking about “political stuff” in a country, indeed, in a world, where medicine is defined by government. Just as there are numerous lobbies wining and dining politicians for the pharmaceutical corporations, there are also lobbyist groups doing the same for “alternative” medicine. Just not nearly as powerful, not nearly as generous in “gifting”; much more rational in argumentation and presentation of scientific evidence; etc.etc. As well, doctors of anything have to be licensed by the government; a massage therapist in most states is also regulated, licensed, by the government (Pennsylvania is an exception, that last time I heard anyways); government, or at least its non-elected regulatory bodies (still political jobs) like the FDA actually define what medicine is, what food is, what cosmetics and food additives are, etc. They decide what will and what will not be regulated and how. Actually, pretty much of all the issues start and end with government. If people had their free choice to eat what they chose for their medicine (food is medicine) or take the pharmaceutical medicines of their choice, whether such medicines were experimental; well-established; quackery; or just flat out faith healing; or practice in Taoist witchcraft for healing: then, government would not be an issue. If government by authority extraneous to the individual’s own authority over his/her life would just go away, there would not be political stuff to discuss, but, rather, various healing methods, or prevention methods, would be the topic of education. That would also establish a free marketplace wherein if something didn’t work, it would not be promoted anymore. Until such a thing happens (and it doesn’t look like it is going to in the very near future) food/medicine remains almost centrally a political issue. Wouldn’t want to be caught disobeying the law now would ya?! Ed Carol Minnick [carolminnick] Sunday, August 17, 2003 4:46 PM political stuff Why are we getting so much political discussion on this list – isn’t there another list that this can be taken to? I joined to talk about “health and healing” – not president Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 The short answer is " no. " The long answer is, well, longer. There are scads of similar groups that " ...just talk... about -- I have arthritis, or... " around, i belong to several of them myself and i don't discuss these topics there. This group however, as i understand it, is general in nature and has as valid subject subject matter everything that has an effect on our health and well being. If you don't think that getting out of office the scum that is killing us and our constitution is directly connected to our health and healing, you're just not looking at the whole picture. There have been several members who entered this group and attempted to change the subject matter. I see this as simply the latest such effort. >Well, that's true, but what I meant was, can't we get back to just talking about --- I have arthritis, or what helps with warts, or my son has ADHD, or my brother just came down with pneumonia - or whatever - and what can be done " health-wise " to help with those problems. > >Carol -- -- Neil Jensen: neil The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/ " Definition of 'bipartisan': Buy one party, get the other one free. " -- Jamin Raskin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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