Sorry//: HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

September 17, 2003

To keep Ed off his soapbox, I apologize for sending this to the list, I can see how it looks like it is religious. I never thought of it as religious or anything, just thought of it as passing on info to do with what you like. It was not my intent to cause discussion on personal beliefs.

I apologize to the list for sending this.

Lucky

-

Ed Siceloff

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:03 PM

RE: : HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

I meant to also say that I was wondering if the posts that drift towards religious statements merely show that the moderators don’t read before the notes are posted? I

Ed

Ed Siceloff [siceloff] Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: RE: : HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

May I ask somebody here an honest question? This is about the banning of religion from the of health and healing. What IS the working definition of religion? Is it only religions that are based on Scriptures? And the arguments for and against them? Or would a working definition of religion include stuff like witchcraft, at least in relation to the goddess and not necessarily in relation to herbs; new age spirituality; harmonic convergences that give thanks to Father Love and Mother Wisdom (could we perhaps be talking about Gaia here); and a host of other things. From my religious perspective these are all religions. I’d like to read about what is the working definition of religion. If mine, or perhaps a few others, are the only ones permitted, and I’m always being assaulted by these “things” then perhaps I shall consider leaving. I pusposely refrain from posting Yahweh events, and how Yahweh says that we should eat. Yet all this stuff which from the perspective of my own relgion is all pagan, I keep getting posts about If religion is banned, it should be all of them. Or, say which ones are not permitted.

It is difficult to talk about life, or healing, without religious context, be that any one of the traditional religions, or any of the religions that are newer. I know that many consider these “newer” ones to be actually quite old, but lets consider them to be newer expressions of something much older.

What is religion or the religious expression that is banned? How is it defined? It would appear to me to merely the things that are based on the Scriptures. Really.

Ed Siceloff

luckypig [luckypig] Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:19 AM@ TheMultiD : HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

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THE HARMONIC CONCORDANCE

YALAHA, FLORIDA

Yalaha Florida Chosen as Official Site

for Harmonic Concordance

November 7 - 9, 2003

$75.00 includes event and all meals

OPENING AN ENERGETIC "STARGATE"

If there was ever a “Call to Action” , for all of us, this is it.

Join us in Yalaha, Florida, located just 45 minutes north of Orlando, Florida.

What is the Harmonic Concordance?

Like its spiritual ancestor, the Harmonic Convergence of 1987, The Harmonic Concordance of 2003 is also a call to the spirit of humankind to awaken to the idea that we are , in fact, spiritual beings sharing a physical experience. Ceremonies and celebrations in honor of this idea are now being scheduled at multiple sacred sites and pilgrimage locations throughout the world. We are so blessed to have the opportunity in our own state of Florida to join hands on over 20 acres of heaven to celebrate this evolutionary event in Yalaha.

The Harmonic Concordance promises to be one of the world's largest events of this kind since the Harmonic Convergence of 1987 which was the beginning of our Celebrated Earth Day. Join people from all over the southeast and the world as they convergence on Yalaha, Florida on the grounds of the Yalaha Country Bakery for three days of awakening opportunities and thanksgiving to God through Father Love and Mother Truth. You will hear cutting edge speakers and other special guests who will unite our souls through meditation, dance, events and ceremonies.

For more details about this global event go to www.Harmonicconcordance.com or www.astrosite.com

About the Harmonic Concordance

Yalaha Florida

11/7/2003 to 11/9/2003

$75.00 includes event and meals

Yalaha Florida is located on the serene Harris chain of lakes in Lake county

just 40 minutes north of downtown Orlando, Florida

Meals are included in the three-day ticket price of just $75. You will receive dinner on Friday evening, all three meals on Saturday and breakfast and lunch on Sunday. (Meals prepared by the famous YALAHA BAKERY)

The Harmonic Concordance will commence at 6 p.m. Friday, November 7, until about 1:00 am Saturday evening. Then Saturday morning, November 8, 2003 the opening day of the SPIRITUAL GATEWAY we will begin receiving the energy around 5 am with prayer, meditation and the healing harmonic sounds of nature. Ongoing Events will continue throughout Saturday with live music, speakers, dance and more. At 12 noon on 11/8/2003 ceremonies will begin to gain energy and go throughout the entire night as we enter into the Lunar Eclipse opening an energetic Stargate that will last for six weeks. Gillian MacBeth-Louthan will assist in leading us through this energetic doorway as we are hooked up to a live broadcast from Egypt and the Harmonic Concordance event that will be taking place there. On Sunday after an evening of upgrading and downloading events will continue throughout the morning hours and will end at 2 pm., November 9, 2003.

Ticket price for the entire three-day event is only $75 and includes all of your meals from Friday to Sunday. ( Prepared by the most fabulous people and bakery on all of planet earth, the Yahala Bakery) You have many options for accommodations to whatever best suites your style and taste. The Yalaha Travel Network (YTN) is reserving several hotel rooms for those campers who would like to go off property to simply bathe and freshen up a few times during the weekend. Should you wish to stay in one of the nearby hotels, YTN has secured rooms ranging from $50 to $140 per night at the luxurious and peaceful Mission Inn Resort just five minutes from the bakery.

If you are a vendor and would like to display your work at the Concordance, the three-day cost is $75 and offers you a covered outdoor tent area. The entire event is outdoors with beautiful staging, sound, and tranquility. Rooms closest to the bakery are already beginning to fill so contact us at the Yalaha Travel Network to secure your tickets and sleeping arrangements. You will need to guarantee your tickets and sleeping arrangements with a credit card; however, accommodations will not be charged until 30 days prior to the event on November 7. We recommend you make your reservations as soon as possible. You may cancel any reservations up October 7 with no penalty.

If you are interested in participating in the Harmonic Concordance, join us as hundreds gather for this three-day event. Details about tickets, hotel accommodations, vendors and scheduled events, contact Bates Reed at batesreed

Call Yalaha Travel Network at 352-324-0500. Everyone at the Yalaha Foundation will be happy to answer your questions or forward information to you

Go to www.yalahafoundation.org for more details and registration form

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September 17, 2003

Well, dang, it ain’t a soapbox. I’m

just wondering why religious posts get through while at the same time, when

people start referencing scripture (I could reference scripture for economic

and political justice laws as well) then it is identified as religious. The problem

is that you did not consider your reference to “god” to be

religious while others (possibly yourself) determine another’s reference

as religious. I could post the sites around the US where the Feast of Tabernacles is being held at as well. Most

of us would recognize that as blatantly religious. Why the difference? Again,

what IS the working definition of religion? If we can’t adhere to it

justly, then it needs to be stated that it is personal preference and what that

preference is.

Enough. I’m not trying to make

this a religious post. But, again, if one has a rule it has to be clearly

stated, and evenly kept and enforced. My basic question is whether or not

there is an “objective” standard of what constitutes “religious”

or is merely something that somebody else might be offended at?

Ed

luckypig

[luckypig]

Wednesday, September 17,

2003 12:59 PM

To:

Sorry//Re:

: HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

To keep Ed off his soapbox, I

apologize for sending this to the list, I can see how it looks like it is

religious. I never thought of it as religious or anything, just thought

of it as passing on info to do with what you like. It was not my intent

to cause discussion on personal beliefs.

I apologize to the list for sending

this.

Lucky

-

Ed Siceloff

Wednesday,

September 17, 2003 1:03 PM

RE:

: HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

I meant to

also say that I was wondering if the posts that drift towards religious

statements merely show that the moderators don’t read before the notes

are posted? I

Ed

Ed Siceloff

[siceloff]

Wednesday, September 17,

2003 11:50 AM

RE:

: HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

May I ask

somebody here an honest question? This is about the banning of religion

from the of health and healing. What IS the working

definition of religion? Is it only religions that are based on

Scriptures? And the arguments for and against them? Or would a

working definition of religion include stuff like witchcraft, at least in

relation to the goddess and not necessarily in relation to herbs; new age

spirituality; harmonic convergences that give thanks to Father Love and Mother

Wisdom (could we perhaps be talking about Gaia here); and a host of other

things. From my religious perspective these are all religions.

I’d like to read about what is the working definition of religion.

If mine, or perhaps a few others, are the only ones permitted, and I’m

always being assaulted by these “things” then perhaps I shall

consider leaving. I pusposely refrain from posting Yahweh events, and how

Yahweh says that we should eat. Yet all this stuff which from the

perspective of my own relgion is all pagan, I keep getting posts about If

religion is banned, it should be all of them. Or, say which ones are not

permitted.

It is

difficult to talk about life, or healing, without religious context, be that

any one of the traditional religions, or any of the religions that are

newer. I know that many consider these “newer” ones to be

actually quite old, but lets consider them to be newer expressions of something

much older.

What

is religion or the religious expression that is banned? How is it

defined? It would appear to me to merely the things that are based

on the Scriptures. Really.

Ed Siceloff

luckypig

[luckypig]

Wednesday, September 17,

2003 11:19 AM

@ TheMultiD

:

HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

Passing

along ....

i

THE HARMONIC

CONCORDANCE

YALAHA,

FLORIDA

Yalaha Florida Chosen as Official

Site

for Harmonic Concordance

November 7 - 9, 2003

$75.00 includes event and all meals

OPENING AN

ENERGETIC " STARGATE "

If there was

ever a “Call to Action” , for all of us, this is it.

Join us in

Yalaha, Florida, located just 45 minutes north of Orlando, Florida.

What is the Harmonic Concordance?

Like its

spiritual ancestor, the Harmonic Convergence of 1987, The Harmonic Concordance

of 2003 is also a call to the spirit of humankind to awaken to the idea that we

are , in fact, spiritual beings sharing a physical experience. Ceremonies and

celebrations in honor of this idea are now being scheduled at multiple sacred

sites and pilgrimage locations throughout the world. We are so blessed to have

the opportunity in our own state of Florida to join hands on over 20 acres of

heaven to celebrate this evolutionary event in Yalaha.

The Harmonic

Concordance promises to be one of the world's largest events of this kind since

the Harmonic Convergence of 1987 which was the beginning of our Celebrated

Earth Day. Join people from all over the southeast and the world as they

convergence on Yalaha, Florida on the grounds of the Yalaha Country Bakery for

three days of awakening opportunities and thanksgiving to God through Father

Love and Mother Truth. You will hear cutting edge speakers and other special

guests who will unite our souls through meditation, dance, events and

ceremonies.

For more

details about this global event go to www.Harmonicconcordance.com or www.astrosite.com

About the

Harmonic Concordance

Yalaha Florida

11/7/2003 to 11/9/2003

$75.00 includes event and meals

Yalaha Florida is located on the serene Harris chain of lakes in

Lake county

just 40 minutes north of downtown Orlando, Florida

Meals are included in the

three-day ticket price of just $75. You will receive dinner on Friday evening,

all three meals on Saturday and breakfast and lunch on Sunday. (Meals prepared

by the famous YALAHA BAKERY)

The Harmonic Concordance will commence at 6 p.m. Friday, November

7, until about 1:00 am Saturday evening. Then Saturday morning, November 8,

2003 the opening day of the SPIRITUAL GATEWAY we will begin receiving the

energy around 5 am with prayer, meditation and the healing harmonic sounds of

nature. Ongoing Events will continue throughout Saturday with live music,

speakers, dance and more. At 12 noon on 11/8/2003 ceremonies will

begin to gain energy and go throughout the entire night as we enter into the

Lunar Eclipse opening an energetic Stargate that will last for six weeks.

Gillian MacBeth-Louthan will assist in leading us through this energetic

doorway as we are hooked up to a live broadcast from Egypt and the

Harmonic Concordance event that will be taking place there. On Sunday after an

evening of upgrading and downloading events will continue throughout the

morning hours and will end at 2 pm., November 9, 2003.

Ticket price for the entire three-day event is only $75 and includes all

of your meals from Friday to Sunday. ( Prepared by the most fabulous

people and bakery on all of planet earth, the Yahala Bakery) You have many

options for accommodations to whatever best suites your style and taste.

The Yalaha Travel Network (YTN) is reserving several hotel rooms for those

campers who would like to go off property to simply bathe and freshen up a few

times during the weekend. Should you wish to stay in one of the nearby hotels,

YTN has secured rooms ranging from $50 to $140 per night at the luxurious and

peaceful Mission Inn Resort just five minutes from the bakery.

If you are a vendor and would

like to display your work at the Concordance, the three-day cost is $75 and

offers you a covered outdoor tent area. The entire event is outdoors with

beautiful staging, sound, and tranquility. Rooms closest to the bakery are

already beginning to fill so contact us at the Yalaha Travel Network to secure

your tickets and sleeping arrangements. You will need to guarantee your tickets

and sleeping arrangements with a credit card; however, accommodations will not

be charged until 30 days prior to the event on November 7. We recommend you

make your reservations as soon as possible. You may cancel any reservations up

October 7 with no penalty.

If you are

interested in participating in the Harmonic Concordance, join us as hundreds

gather for this three-day event. Details about tickets, hotel accommodations,

vendors and scheduled events, contact Bates Reed at batesreed

Call Yalaha

Travel Network at 352-324-0500. Everyone at the

Yalaha Foundation will be happy to answer your questions or forward information

to you

Go to www.yalahafoundation.org for more

details and registration form

I am the Light, You are the Light,

May Miracles manifest in your life every way!

www.theQuantumAwakening.com

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Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:59 PM

Sorry//Re: : HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in

FLORIDA

Hi Lucky/Group: I'd like my two cents worth in on this before it goes six feet under. Its just my opinion but anything having to do with belief whether its medicine, science, or any other field if it uses and is based on belief it is a religion. That is why when I moderated IUFO and other groups I never banned conversation on topics that fell into the realm of belief which is IMO a religion.

What is a religion it is something based on something not proven but thought to be real or true based without any facts. Belief is what is destroying everything. Even Society is a belief a condition much like a religion that is a accepted thing, but in reality it to is a myth people believe just like money has no real value that is nothing more then a illusion of accepted stupidity that enslaves and dumbs down people. Ban belief not things created by it like a religion. Once a real discussion blows the myths and beliefs to hell we return to a society of thinking people. Not brainless dumbed down Androids.

Walt

To keep Ed off his soapbox, I apologize for sending this to the list, I can see how it looks like it is religious. I never thought of it as religious or anything, just thought of it as passing on info to do with what you like. It was not my intent to cause discussion on personal beliefs.

I apologize to the list for sending this.

Lucky

-

Ed Siceloff

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:03 PM

RE: : HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

I meant to also say that I was wondering if the posts that drift towards religious statements merely show that the moderators don’t read before the notes are posted? I

Ed

Ed Siceloff [siceloff] Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: RE: : HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

May I ask somebody here an honest question? This is about the banning of religion from the of health and healing. What IS the working definition of religion? Is it only religions that are based on Scriptures? And the arguments for and against them? Or would a working definition of religion include stuff like witchcraft, at least in relation to the goddess and not necessarily in relation to herbs; new age spirituality; harmonic convergences that give thanks to Father Love and Mother Wisdom (could we perhaps be talking about Gaia here); and a host of other things. From my religious perspective these are all religions. I’d like to read about what is the working definition of religion. If mine, or perhaps a few others, are the only ones permitted, and I’m always being assaulted by these “things” then perhaps I shall consider leaving. I pusposely refrain from posting Yahweh events, and how Yahweh says that we should eat. Yet all this stuff which from the perspective of my own relgion is all pagan, I keep getting posts about If religion is banned, it should be all of them. Or, say which ones are not permitted.

It is difficult to talk about life, or healing, without religious context, be that any one of the traditional religions, or any of the religions that are newer. I know that many consider these “newer” ones to be actually quite old, but lets consider them to be newer expressions of something much older.

What is religion or the religious expression that is banned? How is it defined? It would appear to me to merely the things that are based on the Scriptures. Really.

Ed Siceloff

luckypig [luckypig] Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:19 AM@ TheMultiD : HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

Passing along ....

i

THE HARMONIC CONCORDANCE

YALAHA, FLORIDA

Yalaha Florida Chosen as Official Site

for Harmonic Concordance

November 7 - 9, 2003

$75.00 includes event and all meals

OPENING AN ENERGETIC "STARGATE"

If there was ever a “Call to Action” , for all of us, this is it.

Join us in Yalaha, Florida, located just 45 minutes north of Orlando, Florida.

What is the Harmonic Concordance?

Like its spiritual ancestor, the Harmonic Convergence of 1987, The Harmonic Concordance of 2003 is also a call to the spirit of humankind to awaken to the idea that we are , in fact, spiritual beings sharing a physical experience. Ceremonies and celebrations in honor of this idea are now being scheduled at multiple sacred sites and pilgrimage locations throughout the world. We are so blessed to have the opportunity in our own state of Florida to join hands on over 20 acres of heaven to celebrate this evolutionary event in Yalaha.

The Harmonic Concordance promises to be one of the world's largest events of this kind since the Harmonic Convergence of 1987 which was the beginning of our Celebrated Earth Day. Join people from all over the southeast and the world as they convergence on Yalaha, Florida on the grounds of the Yalaha Country Bakery for three days of awakening opportunities and thanksgiving to God through Father Love and Mother Truth. You will hear cutting edge speakers and other special guests who will unite our souls through meditation, dance, events and ceremonies.

For more details about this global event go to www.Harmonicconcordance.com or www.astrosite.com

About the Harmonic Concordance

Yalaha Florida

11/7/2003 to 11/9/2003

$75.00 includes event and meals

Yalaha Florida is located on the serene Harris chain of lakes in Lake county

just 40 minutes north of downtown Orlando, Florida

Meals are included in the three-day ticket price of just $75. You will receive dinner on Friday evening, all three meals on Saturday and breakfast and lunch on Sunday. (Meals prepared by the famous YALAHA BAKERY)

The Harmonic Concordance will commence at 6 p.m. Friday, November 7, until about 1:00 am Saturday evening. Then Saturday morning, November 8, 2003 the opening day of the SPIRITUAL GATEWAY we will begin receiving the energy around 5 am with prayer, meditation and the healing harmonic sounds of nature. Ongoing Events will continue throughout Saturday with live music, speakers, dance and more. At 12 noon on 11/8/2003 ceremonies will begin to gain energy and go throughout the entire night as we enter into the Lunar Eclipse opening an energetic Stargate that will last for six weeks. Gillian MacBeth-Louthan will assist in leading us through this energetic doorway as we are hooked up to a live broadcast from Egypt and the Harmonic Concordance event that will be taking place there. On Sunday after an evening of upgrading and downloading events will continue throughout the morning hours and will end at 2 pm., November 9, 2003.

Ticket price for the entire three-day event is only $75 and includes all of your meals from Friday to Sunday. ( Prepared by the most fabulous people and bakery on all of planet earth, the Yahala Bakery) You have many options for accommodations to whatever best suites your style and taste. The Yalaha Travel Network (YTN) is reserving several hotel rooms for those campers who would like to go off property to simply bathe and freshen up a few times during the weekend. Should you wish to stay in one of the nearby hotels, YTN has secured rooms ranging from $50 to $140 per night at the luxurious and peaceful Mission Inn Resort just five minutes from the bakery.

If you are a vendor and would like to display your work at the Concordance, the three-day cost is $75 and offers you a covered outdoor tent area. The entire event is outdoors with beautiful staging, sound, and tranquility. Rooms closest to the bakery are already beginning to fill so contact us at the Yalaha Travel Network to secure your tickets and sleeping arrangements. You will need to guarantee your tickets and sleeping arrangements with a credit card; however, accommodations will not be charged until 30 days prior to the event on November 7. We recommend you make your reservations as soon as possible. You may cancel any reservations up October 7 with no penalty.

If you are interested in participating in the Harmonic Concordance, join us as hundreds gather for this three-day event. Details about tickets, hotel accommodations, vendors and scheduled events, contact Bates Reed at batesreed

Call Yalaha Travel Network at 352-324-0500. Everyone at the Yalaha Foundation will be happy to answer your questions or forward information to you

Go to www.yalahafoundation.org for more details and registration form

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September 17, 2003

You know, Ed, look around. This blue sky

background suggests Heaven to me, and it should therefore be banned. ;-)

Terry

Ed Siceloff

[siceloff]

Wednesday,

September 17, 2003 12:01 PM

To:

RE: Sorry//Re:

: HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

Well, dang,

it ain’t a soapbox. I’m just wondering why religious posts

get through while at the same time, when people start referencing scripture (I

could reference scripture for economic and political justice laws as well) then

it is identified as religious. The problem is that you did not consider

your reference to “god” to be religious while others (possibly

yourself) determine another’s reference as religious. I could post

the sites around the US where the Feast of Tabernacles is being

held at as well. Most of us would recognize that as blatantly religious.

Why the difference? Again, what IS the working definition of

religion? If we can’t adhere to it justly, then it needs to be

stated that it is personal preference and what that preference is.

Enough. I’m not trying to make this a religious post. But,

again, if one has a rule it has to be clearly stated, and evenly kept and

enforced. My basic question is whether or not there is an

“objective” standard of what constitutes “religious” or

is merely something that somebody else might be offended at?

Ed

September 18, 2003

Actually, the colors do all “suggest”

or symbolize something other than just the fact of a particular part of the

spectrum and the way that it reacts on an individual human’s eyes. That

is a part of the reason that different rays of the spectrum are healing while

other parts of the spectrum are physically/mentally disturbing, at least when

seen individually. Most of the ones that are healing “happen” to have

been previously used “religiously.”

As to your intent to your post: do you

get the idea of treating all the religions that are represented here in a just

fashion, fairly. We have Christians, Buddhists, Taoists, New Agers,

objectivists (more a philosophy but still with a certain belief system about

the universe that dependent upon a certain set of unprovable presuppositions

that affect the adherents view of “reality.”); witches;

naturalists, pantheists, etc.etc. My point is that not any one or two, or

three should banned but all should be banned except perhaps some practice that

one does in it that may or may not be of some utility in healing, and that that

healing can be done through the same technique, or use of herbs, whatever,

outside of the original religious context.

As an example, witchcraft deals with

healing with herbs. Practitioners have a long tradition of the usage. As it

turns out, many of those uses do turn out to be folklore in some respects, but

in others actual healing of the body/mind is accomplished. And one does not

have to be a practitioner of witchcraft for the healing to take effect. Many

of the things that heal do so because of reality. And not necessarily because

of one’s faith. Faith can cause things to heal that wouldn’t

otherwise. Any faith will do. As far as healing the body from any particular

disease. The medicine man is the same as the modern MD. Both use things that

may or may not work, but the patient has faith that they will work. Often

times the faith, or belief, causes the healing rather than the physical things

used, or done, being the instrument.

I use herbs from S America that are chanted over for their blessing

by the people that pick them. From my own perspective, I consider that

meaningless. Maybe the tones of the sound does change, or somehow affect, the

plant before it is picked. I don’t know. There is a book written, at

least one, that demonstrates that plants grow better when talked to, or

stimulated by sound. I just know that the various herbs work, and the science

done on them, also demonstrates that. But, again, the point is that their

faith is different than mine, but the herbs still work for me as they do for

them.

I actually consider all of life to be

religion. One’s whole life is driven by a particular world and life view

that is itself driven by a certain set of presuppositions that one never proves

although one might question their validity at certain times. But reality is

such that, although one’s views (religion) about it might differ from

everybody else’s, we all experience the same reality. I know that there

will be people differ from that, but I think that that is a statement that most

would agree with. And the reality is that our bodies are so much alike that we

can figure out that the things that work for one type will work for the same

type of individual when applied, without mentioning the individual’s

belief structure surrounding the ideas and practices being incorporated.

Ed

Petty

[jhp]

Wednesday, September 17,

2003 4:12 PM

To:

RE: Sorry//Re:

: HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

You know, Ed, look

around. This blue sky background suggests Heaven to me, and it should therefore

be banned. ;-)

Terry

Ed Siceloff

[siceloff]

Wednesday, September 17,

2003 12:01 PM

RE: Sorry//Re:

: HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

Well, dang,

it ain’t a soapbox. I’m just wondering why religious posts

get through while at the same time, when people start referencing scripture (I

could reference scripture for economic and political justice laws as well) then

it is identified as religious. The problem is that you did not consider

your reference to “god” to be religious while others (possibly

yourself) determine another’s reference as religious. I could post

the sites around the US where the Feast of Tabernacles is being held at as

well. Most of us would recognize that as blatantly religious. Why the

difference? Again, what IS the working definition of

religion? If we can’t adhere to it justly, then it needs to be

stated that it is personal preference and what that preference is.

Enough. I’m not trying to make this a religious post. But,

again, if one has a rule it has to be clearly stated, and evenly kept and

enforced. My basic question is whether or not there is an

“objective” standard of what constitutes “religious” or

is merely something that somebody else might be offended at?

Ed

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September 18, 2003

Ed,

I think an occasional gentle reminder to

folks to stay on topic or clearly label posts as “Off Topic”, or OT,

is fine. Most lists occasionally drift off course for a bit only to find their

way back.

Terry

Ed Siceloff

[siceloff]

Wednesday, September 17,

2003 3:22 PM

To:

RE: Sorry//Re:

: HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

Actually, the

colors do all “suggest” or symbolize something other than just the

fact of a particular part of the spectrum and the way that it reacts on an

individual human’s eyes. That is a part of the reason that

different rays of the spectrum are healing while other parts of the spectrum

are physically/mentally disturbing, at least when seen individually. Most

of the ones that are healing “happen” to have been previously used

“religiously.”

As to

your intent to your post: do you get the idea of treating all the

religions that are represented here in a just fashion, fairly. We have

Christians, Buddhists, Taoists, New Agers, objectivists (more a philosophy but

still with a certain belief system about the universe that dependent upon a

certain set of unprovable presuppositions that affect the adherents view of

“reality.”); witches; naturalists, pantheists, etc.etc.

My point is that not any one or two, or three should banned but all should be

banned except perhaps some practice that one does in it that may or may not be

of some utility in healing, and that that healing can be done through the same

technique, or use of herbs, whatever, outside of the original religious

context.

As an

example, witchcraft deals with healing with herbs. Practitioners have a

long tradition of the usage. As it turns out, many of those uses do turn

out to be folklore in some respects, but in others actual healing of the

body/mind is accomplished. And one does not have to be a practitioner of

witchcraft for the healing to take effect. Many of the things that heal

do so because of reality. And not necessarily because of one’s faith.

Faith can cause things to heal that wouldn’t otherwise. Any faith

will do. As far as healing the body from any particular

disease. The medicine man is the same as the modern MD. Both use

things that may or may not work, but the patient has faith that they will

work. Often times the faith, or belief, causes the healing rather than

the physical things used, or done, being the instrument.

I use

herbs from S America that are chanted over for their blessing by the people

that pick them. From my own perspective, I consider that

meaningless. Maybe the tones of the sound does change, or somehow affect,

the plant before it is picked. I don’t know. There is a book

written, at least one, that demonstrates that plants grow better when talked

to, or stimulated by sound. I just know that the various herbs

work, and the science done on them, also demonstrates that. But, again,

the point is that their faith is different than mine, but the herbs still work

for me as they do for them.

I

actually consider all of life to be religion. One’s whole life is

driven by a particular world and life view that is itself driven by a certain

set of presuppositions that one never proves although one might question their

validity at certain times. But reality is such that, although one’s

views (religion) about it might differ from everybody else’s, we all

experience the same reality. I know that there will be people differ from

that, but I think that that is a statement that most would agree with.

And the reality is that our bodies are so much alike that we can figure out

that the things that work for one type will work for the same type of

individual when applied, without mentioning the individual’s belief

structure surrounding the ideas and practices being incorporated.

Ed

Petty

[jhp]

Wednesday, September 17,

2003 4:12 PM

To:

RE: Sorry//Re:

: HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

You know, Ed, look

around. This blue sky background suggests Heaven to me, and it should therefore

be banned. ;-)

Terry

Ed Siceloff

[siceloff]

Wednesday, September 17,

2003 12:01 PM

RE: Sorry//Re:

: HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

Well, dang,

it ain’t a soapbox. I’m just wondering why religious posts get

through while at the same time, when people start referencing scripture (I

could reference scripture for economic and political justice laws as well) then

it is identified as religious. The problem is that you did not consider

your reference to “god” to be religious while others (possibly

yourself) determine another’s reference as religious. I could post

the sites around the US where the Feast of Tabernacles is being held at as

well. Most of us would recognize that as blatantly religious. Why the difference?

Again, what IS the working definition of religion? If we

can’t adhere to it justly, then it needs to be stated that it is personal

preference and what that preference is.

Enough. I’m not trying to make this a religious post. But,

again, if one has a rule it has to be clearly stated, and evenly kept and

enforced. My basic question is whether or not there is an

“objective” standard of what constitutes “religious” or

is merely something that somebody else might be offended at?

Ed

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Actually, you are just looking for a way to justify your religious spouting. I

would suggest that the moderator demonstrate the policy in a way that you can

" get. "

[justifications snipped]

--

Neil Jensen: neil

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

" It was always much pleasanter... when one wasn't always

being ordered about by mice and rabbits. " -- Alice

September 19, 2003

If you think talking about religion gets a large response, mention the

word " MLM " and watch the hate mail flow against you. Do you think that

MLMs are a religious experience?

--

Donald E. Jacobs

Registered Massage Therapist

Macrobiotic Counselor

Reiki Practitioner

Professional Speaker

> To keep Ed off his soapbox, I apologize for sending this to the list,

> I can see how it looks like it is religious. I never thought of it as

> religious or anything, just thought of it as passing on info to do

> with what you like. It was not my intent to cause discussion on

> personal beliefs.

>

> I apologize to the list for sending this.

>

> Lucky

September 19, 2003

I can think of at least one person on another mailing list who seems to

think so. She pushes Master's Miracle Soap (The master, of course, being Jesus

who came down from his throne to give the formula to one of his pet charlatans.

;-)

>If you think talking about religion gets a large response, mention the

>word " MLM " and watch the hate mail flow against you. Do you think that

>MLMs are a religious experience?

>--

>Donald E. Jacobs

>Registered Massage Therapist

>Macrobiotic Counselor

>Reiki Practitioner

>Professional Speaker

--

Neil Jensen: neil

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

" Dragons is sooooo stupid! " -- Yosemite Sam

September 19, 2003

That must be pretty good soap to have to get up off the toilet, while

taking a dump, for.

--

Donald E. Jacobs

Registered Massage Therapist

Macrobiotic Counselor

Reiki Practitioner

Professional Speaker

> I can think of at least one person on another mailing list who

> seems to think so. She pushes Master's Miracle Soap (The master, of

> course, being Jesus who came down from his throne to give the formula

> to one of his pet charlatans. ;-)

>

> >If you think talking about religion gets a large response, mention the

> >word " MLM " and watch the hate mail flow against you. Do you think that

> >MLMs are a religious experience?

> >--

> >Donald E. Jacobs

> >Registered Massage Therapist

> >Macrobiotic Counselor

> >Reiki Practitioner

> >Professional Speaker

September 19, 2003

Greetings,

Psychology can be considered as the study of another's belief system. I

do not think this study includes religion unless what you rely upon is your

religion which has another physical counter-part in its actual living. This

being of course that it can be taught and transmitted from one generation to

another. As to the tone of the color, it will be a matter of pixel depiction

of pictures and their contrast against the background of the imperfect

perfecting by supreme methods that they have agreed upon, for the time

being.

Christ Michael

September 19, 2003

I think Ed makes a valid point.

~Wendy

September 20, 2003

I am appalled by the following comment:

That must be pretty good soap to have to get up off the toilet, while

taking a dump, for.

I don't put your beliefs down and would appreciate it if you would extend

the same to me.

Sorry//: HARMONIC CONCORDANCE in FLORIDA

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