SOY increases risk of heart disease

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" Elaine " <mem121

" * Gettingwell * "

Monday, February 18, 2002 2:20 PM

SOY increases risk of heart disease

 

 

> New study shows that regular consumption of soy can increase heart disease

risk:

> www.mercola.com/2001/nov/24/soy.htm

 

Hi Elaine,

 

So I guess Dr. Mercola should tell the Okinawan's (who eat about 12 % cals as

soy) that they should be dead a long time

ago and not the longest lived (verified) folks on the planet.

 

Here is an analysis of the typical Okinawan Elder diet verus the typical US:

 

Meat / Poultry / Eggs = 3% (29 % US)

Calcium rich foods (Dairy & Seaweed) = 2 % (23 % US)

Vegetables = 34 % (16 % US)

Fruits = 6 % (20 % US)

Flavonoid rich foods (Soy) = 12 % (<1 % US)

Grains = 32 % (11 % US)

Omega 3 foods (Fish) = 11 % (<1 % US)

 

They also have the highest flavonoid intake (> 100 mg / day) of any population

group. The Okinawan's also practice

caloric restriction as they stop eating when they feel 80 % full.

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Good health & long life,

Greg Watson,

http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au

[Guest guest]

> So I guess Dr. Mercola should tell the Okinawan's (who eat about 12 % cals

as soy) that they should be dead > a long time ago and not the longest lived

(verified) folks on the planet.

>

> Here is an analysis of the typical Okinawan Elder diet versus the typical

US:

 

Posted on another list:

 

" I looked into this Okinawan diet thing a month ago when a friend asked

me about it after she saw an article in the Boston Globe. Here is part

of the letter I sent her about it:

 

" The article on Okinawans was very sketchy, but certainly interesting

and thought provoking. I may want to check out the book. One shouldn't

be too easily swayed by studies, and reports on studies in the media.

Okinawan life expectancy is 81.2, and in the U.S. it's 76.8. It's a lot

better, but it's not mind-blowing. I'm not that impressed. It's only

five years.

 

If they're doing everything right as claimed, then I would

expect them to have a much bigger edge on couch-potato,

French-fry-hogging, soda-guzzling, tobacco-smoking, vegetable-avoiding

Americans. Americans have 450% more heart disease deaths, but Okinawans

have 25% more stroke deaths.

 

You have to be very wary of the prejudices

of the people doing the studies, and of the prejudices reflected in the

media reporting. In the Globe article it quoted: " Never in the history

of nutrition research has the evidence been more clear and consistent. A

high-carbohydrate, low-calorie, plant-based diet is the best for

long-term health. " Sounds like modern " politically correct " dietary

prejudice to me.

 

Okinawans eat significantly *less* rice than Japanese,

significantly more protein, twice as much fish, 3 or 4 times the

vegetables, a fifth the salt and a quarter the sugar. Maybe they would

be even healthier on even less rice and even more protein, but the study

probably wouldn't even look at that. That would disagree with the sacred

food pyramid.

 

They also didn't mention the local favorite: fried pork!

There are many aspects of the Okinawan diet that I consider excellent,

but that doesn't mean everything about it is good, and it doesn't mean

it couldn't be a lot better.

 

It would be very interesting to have more complete information, such as

what is called a " life table " , which shows the age structure of the

entire population. You take a sample of the population born in a

particular year and make a table that shows how many die and how many

survive at each one-year step from age zero through whatever you choose,

such as a theoretical maximum of 140. The causes of death would also be

very informative, as would a report of various degenerative conditions

that didn't cause death, but caused a reduced quality of life. It sounds

like they are way ahead of average Americans on just about every health

measure, and I have some guesses as to why:

 

1. Fewer calories in general, and fewer sugars and starches, meaning

lower insulin response and therefore maintaining higher lifelong insulin

sensitivity. (Americans, aside from overeating, consume an average of 55

gallons of soda per year, not to mention candy bars, and the starches,

which act the same as sugar.) Insulin itself, insulin resistance, and

elevated blood sugar play a major role in probably all of our major

degenerative diseases.

 

2. Fewer extracted vegetable oils or hydrogenated oils, meaning fewer

inflammatory responses (which includes heart disease, among others).

 

3. Generally less processed food, so less oxidized cholesterol, less

salt, and less destruction of micronutrients.

 

4. Lots more of the anti-cancer substances in vegetables and fruits. "

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" Rob Bartlett " <rob.bartlett

 

Monday, February 18, 2002 2:34 PM

Re: SOY increases risk of heart disease

 

 

> > So I guess Dr. Mercola should tell the Okinawan's (who eat about 12 % cals

> as soy) that they should be dead > a long time ago and not the longest lived

> (verified) folks on the planet.

> >

> > Here is an analysis of the typical Okinawan Elder diet versus the typical

> US:

>

> Posted on another list:

>

> " I looked into this Okinawan diet thing a month ago when a friend asked

> me about it after she saw an article in the Boston Globe. Here is part

> of the letter I sent her about it:

>

> " The article on Okinawans was very sketchy, but certainly interesting

> and thought provoking. I may want to check out the book. One shouldn't

> be too easily swayed by studies, and reports on studies in the media.

> Okinawan life expectancy is 81.2, and in the U.S. it's 76.8. It's a lot

> better, but it's not mind-blowing. I'm not that impressed. It's only

> five years.

 

Hi Rod,

 

Guessed you missed the bit about there being more folks over 100 than for any

other culture and at 100, they are still

very functional, working, being social, living independently, etc. Their

vitality is very high and they have very

little dementure.

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Good health & long life,

Greg Watson,

http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au

[Guest guest]

Hello Elaine,

Help me understand what you mean, I was understanding that you where against Soy

all together, now i'm thinking you are just meaning the Soy that has GE in them.

Which is correct?

Kevin Gagnon

Elaine <mem121 wrote: NOPE, The Okinawa's were eating NON GE

SOY! in the US, UK and most of the civilized countries, we do not have ANY SOY

that is not GE! just go to your favorite health food store and get a handful of

ORGANIC soy and take it home and sprout it... It will NOT sprout. that is

genetic engineering for you! Prove it for yourself!

Not good for you.

Elaine

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Rob Bartlett

Gettingwell

Sunday, February 17, 2002 8:04 PM

Re: SOY increases risk of heart disease

 

 

> So I guess Dr. Mercola should tell the Okinawan's (who eat about 12 % cals

as soy) that they should be dead > a long time ago and not the longest lived

(verified) folks on the planet.

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

NOPE, The Okinawa's were eating NON GE SOY! in the US, UK and most of the

civilized countries, we do not have ANY SOY that is not GE! just go to your

favorite health food store and get a handful of ORGANIC soy and take it home and

sprout it... It will NOT sprout. that is genetic engineering for you! Prove it

for yourself!

Not good for you.

Elaine

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Rob Bartlett

Gettingwell

Sunday, February 17, 2002 8:04 PM

Re: SOY increases risk of heart disease

 

 

> So I guess Dr. Mercola should tell the Okinawan's (who eat about 12 % cals

as soy) that they should be dead > a long time ago and not the longest lived

(verified) folks on the planet.

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I guess we could also take Greg's word for it as well, he seems to know what

he is talking about on most things - if he isn't you don't get a response

from him. Just my .02 worth

Marianne

 

 

> So I guess Dr. Mercola should tell the Okinawan's (who eat about 12 % cals

> as soy) that they should be dead a long time

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It is not so much the longevity, I would not mind an extra 5 years mind, but

the quality of that longevity I would think.

Marianne

 

 

> Okinawan life expectancy is 81.2, and in the U.S. it's 76.8. It's a lot

> better, but it's not mind-blowing. I'm not that impressed. It's only

> five years.

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

www.mercola.com/2001/nov/24/soy.htm

 

 

Soy Can Increase Heart Disease Risk

Lipoprotein(a) [Lp(a)] was measured in four groups of ambulatory adults ages

17 to 94 at our lifestyle enhancement center for chronic degenerative

diseases because of our preliminary evidence that soy milks made of soy

protein isolate included in the basic total vegetarian diet of unrefined

foods was associated with an elevated LP(a) as measured by enzyme

immunoassay on fasting serum samples.

 

The authors concluded that powdered soy milk significantly increases the

LP(a) and should be excluded from the diet.

 

Loma Linda University 2001

 

 

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DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT:

 

Yet further evidence of the potential danger of eating soy and being a

vegetarian who relies on large amounts of soy products. This research comes

out of the Seventh Day Adventist hospital and therefore would be biased

toward the opposite conclusion, since large percentages of Seventh Day

Adventists are vegetarian.

 

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