Pulse

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geovani: I wonder what porcentage of practicioners uses

the traditional pulse diagnosis method. Would it be a minority,

......or the vast majority?

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Hi Geovani.........

 

 

>geovani: I wonder what porcentage of practicioners uses

>the traditional pulse diagnosis method. Would it be a minority,

>.....or the vast majority?

 

 

I'm not an acupuncturist, or even close to being one....... I'll get there

one day, when I can afford to go to college....... ;-)

 

Anyhoo..... every acupuncturist I have ever met uses pulse diagnosis. I have

met one who also uses tongue diagnosis as well, but all of them use the

pulses......

 

On the other note about point locators, a friend of mine who is a 5 element

acupuncturist uses an elastic " ruler " marked with 'cun' marks to measure the

point location accurately..... maybe you could find/make one of them, it

wouldn't cost much..... maybe one of the other list members knows where to

get these from?

 

 

This is one of my first posts, so it's also probably a good time to

introduce myself.......

 

I have been lurking for some time and my background is in martial arts. I

specialise in the practice of kyushojutsu and Tuitejutsu which are arts

based around TCM and acupuncture theory.

We use the same points and laws to destroy the body as acupuncturists do to

heal it.

 

I am hoping to attend a college to study acupuncture sometime before I die

;-)

 

I have been studying acupuncture (totally self taught) for about 6 years

now. It's easy to read the books, but hard to understand until you get

taught properly or get some hands on. I teach Reiki from a TCM angle and, as

mentioned above, TCM plays a huge role in my martial arts classes.

 

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Every Acupuncturist that I know does pulse diagnosis and tongue diagnosis.

The Tongue is far easier to use than the pulse which takes a number of years

to truly understand the full magnitude of what you are feeling. While the

tongue diagnosis is not as inclusive as the pulse it is far easier to

understand I think.

 

Measuring by " cun " is by far easier than the point finder. A ruler is an

excellent idea but you may also just do it as the ancient Chinese did it and

use the fingers as the measurement instrument.

 

Shane

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I have a question on pulse. What do people make of a wiry pulse that is felt only when 2 or three positions are felt together. When the pulses are felt individually they are weak.

Alon

 

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Friday, December 29, 2000 11:26 AM

Cannabis sativa

Here is some info on the sativa issue from purdue university.http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Cannabis_sativa.html--Todd LugerDirectorChinese Herbal Medicinehttp://www..orgChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

 

 

 

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Cannabis sativa L.Syn.: Cannabis indica Lam.CannabaceaeHemp, Marijuana, Cannabis oil

Source: James A. Duke. 1983. Handbook of Energy Crops. unpublished.

 

Uses Folk Medicine Chemistry Toxicity Description Germplasm Distribution Ecology Cultivation Harvesting Yields and Economics Energy Biotic Factors References

 

UsesA multiple-use plant, furnishing fiber, oil, medicine, and narcotics. Fibers are best produced from male plants. In the temperate zone, oil is produced from females which have been left to stand after the fiber-producing males have been harvested. Leaves are added to soups in southeast Asia. Varnish is made from the pressed seeds. Three types of narcotics are produced: hashish (bhang), the dried leaves and flowers of male and female shoots; ganja, dried unfertilized inflorescences of special female plants; and charas, the crude resin, which is probably the strongest. Modern medicine uses cannabis in glaucoma and alleviating the pains of cancer and chemotherapy. More resin is produced in tropical than in temperate climates. Lewis lung adenocarcinonoma growth has been retarded by oral administration of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, delta-8-tetrahydrocannabinol and cannabinol, but not by cannabidiol. (J.N.C.I. 55: 597-602. 1975). The delta-9 also inhibits the replication of Herpes simplex virus. Folk Medicine Medicinally, plants are tonic, intoxicant, stomachic, antispasmodic, analgesic, narcotic, sedative and anodyne. Seeds and leaves are used to treat old cancer and scirrhous tumors. The seed, either as a paste or as an unguent, is said to be a folk remedy for tumors and cancerous ulcers. The decoction of the root is said help remedy hard tumors and knots in the joints. The leaf, prepared in various manners, is said to alleviate cancerous sores, scirrhous tumors, cold tumors, and white tumors. The plant is also used for mammary tumors and corns (C.S.I.R., 1948-1976). Europeans are said to use the dregs from Cannabis pipes in "cancer cures" (Watt and Breyer-Brandwijk, 1962). Few plants have a greater array of folk medicine uses: alcohol withdrawal, anthrax, asthma, blood poisoning, bronchitis, burns, catarrh, childbirth, convulsions, coughs, cystitis, delirium, depression, diarrhea, dysentery, dysmenorrhea, epilepsy, fever, gonorrhea, gout, inflammation, insomnia, jaundice, lockjaw, malaria, mania, mennorhagia, migraine, morphine withdrawal, neuralgia, palsy, rheumatism, scalds, snakebite, swellings, tetany, toothache, uteral prolapse, and whooping cough. Seeds ground and mixed with porridge given to weaning children. ChemistryMost varieties contain cannabinol and cannabinin; Egyptian variety contains cannabidine, cannabol and cannabinol, their biological activity being due to the alcohols and phenolic compounds. Resin contains crystalline compound cannin. Alcoholic extracts of American variety vary considerably in physiological activity. Per 100 g, the seed is reported to contain 8.8 g H2O, 21.5 g protein, 30.4 g fat, 34.7 g total carbohydrate, 18.8 g fiber, and 4.6 g ash. In Asia, per 100 g, the seed is reported to contain 421 calories, 13.6 g H2O, 27.1 g protein, 25.6 g fat, 27.6 g total carbohydrate, 20.3 g fiber, 6.1 g ash, 120 mg Ca, 970 mg P, 12.0 mg Fe, 5 mg beta-carotene equivalent, 0.32 mg thiamine, 0.17 mg riboflavin, and 2.1 mg niacin. A crystalline globulin has been isolated from defatted meal. It contains 3.8% glycocol, 3.6 alanine, 20.9 valine and leucine, 2.4 phenylalanine, 2.1 tyrosine, 0.3 serine, 0.2 cystine, 4.1 proline, 2.0 oxyproline, 4.5 aspartic acid, 18.7 glutamic acid, 14.4 tryptophane and arginine, 1.7 lysine, and 2.4% histidine. Oil from the seeds contains 15% oleic, 70% linoleic, and 15% linolenic and isolinolenic acids. The seed cake contains 10.8% water, 10.2% fat, 30.8% protein, 40.6% N-free extract, and 7.7% ash (20.3% K2O; 0.8% Na2O; 23.6% CaO, 5.7% MgO, 1.0% Fe2O3, 36.5% P2O5, 0.2% SO3; 11.9% SiO2, 0.1% Cl and a trace of Mn2O3). Trigonelline occurs in the seed. Cannabis also contains choline, eugenol, guaiacol, nicotine, and piperidine (C.S.I.R., 1948-1976), all listed as toxins by the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health. A beta-resercyclic acid derivative has antibiotic and sedative properties; with a murine LD56 of 500 mg/kg, it has some aritiviral effect and inhibits the growth of mouse mammary tumor in egg embryo (Watt and Breyer-Brandwijk, 1962). ToxicityNon-users may suffer muscular incoordination (9 of 22 persons), dizziness (8), difficulty concentrating (8), confusion (7), difficulty walking (7), dysarthria (7), dry mouth (7), dysphagia (5), blurred vision (5), and vomiting (1), following oral ingestion of THC disguised in cookies (MMWR, October 20, 1978). People working with the plant or the fiber may develop dermatitis. In larger doses, hemp drugs may induce catalepsy, followed by coma and DEATH from cardiac failure (C.S.I.R., 1948-1976). DescriptionAnnual herb, usually erect; stems variable, up to 5 m tall, with resinous pubescence, angular, sometimes hollow, especially above the first pairs of true leaves; basal leaves opposite, the upper leaves alternate, stipulate, long petiolate, palmate, with 3-11, rarely single, lanceolate, serrate, acuminate leaflets up to 10 cm long, 1.5 cm broad; flowers monoecious or dioecious, the male in axillary and terminal panicles, apetalous, with 5 yellowish petals and 5 poricidal stamens; the female flowers germinate in the axils and terminally, with one 1-ovulate ovary; fruit a brown, shining achene, variously marked or plain, tightly embracing the seed with its fleshy endosperm and curved embryo. Fl. summer; fr. late summer to early fall; year round in tropics. Seeds weigh 1.5-2.5 gm/100 seeds. GermplasmAs Cannabis sativa has been cultivated for over 4,500 years for different purposes, many varieties and cultivars have been selected for specific purposes, as fiber, oil or narcotics. Drug-producing selections grow better and produce more drug in the tropics; oil and fiber producing plants thrive better in the temperate and subtropical areas. Many of the cultivars and varieties have been named as to the locality where it is grown mainly. However, all so called varieties freely interbreed and produce various combinations of the characters. The form of the plant and the yield of fiber from it vary according to climate and particular variety. Varieties cultivated particularly for their fibers have long stalks, branch very little, and yield only small quantities of seed. Varieties which are grown for the oil from their seed are short in height, mature early and produce large quantities of seed. Varieties grown for the drugs are short, much-branched with smaller dark-green leaves. Between these three main types of plants are numerous varieties which differ from the main one in height, extent of branching and other characteristics. Reported from the Central Asia, Hindustani, and Eurosiberian Centers of Diversity, marijuana or cvs thereof is reported to tolerate disease, drought, fungus, high pH, insects, laterite, low pH, mycobacteria, poor soil, slope, and weeds. (2n = 20, 10, 40.) DistributionNative to Central Asia, and long cultivated in Asia, Europe, and China. Now a widespread tropical, temperate and subarctic cultivar and waif. The oldest use of hemp seems to be for fiber, and later the seeds began to be used for culinary purposes. Plants yielding the drug seem to have been discovered in India, cultivated for medicinal purposes as early as 900 BC. In medieval times it was brought to North Africa where today it is cultivated exclusively for hashish or kif. EcologyPlants very adaptable to soil and climatic conditions. Hemp for fiber requires a mild temperate climate with at least 67 cm annual rainfall, with abundant rain while seeds are germinating and until young plants become established. Thrives on rich, fertile, neutral to slightly alkaline, well-drained silt or clay loams with moisture retentive subsoils; does not grow well on acid, sandy soils. Of the many types of hemp, some are adapted to most vegetated terrains and climates. Ranging from Cool Temperate Steppe to Wet through Tropical Very Dry to Wet Forest Life Zones, marijuana is reported to tolerate annual precipitation of 3 to 40 dm (mean of 44 cases = 9.9 dm), annual temperature of 6 to 27°C (mean of 44 cases = 14.4), and pH of 4.5 to 8.2 (mean of 38 cases 6.5) (Duke, 1978, 1979). CultivationPropagation mainly by seed. Experimentally, drug plants have been propagated from cuttings but such plants do not come true as to drug content of parent. Seeds stored in cool, dry place remain viable for up to two years. Hemp seed sown as early in spring as possible. Before sowing, land is plowed (in fall) several times to a depth of about 20-23 cm and repeatedly harrowed the land. In spring the land is harrowed again and rolled, making a firm tilth over the entire surface. In some areas a first plowing is done in the fall and red clover or lupin planted; in January or February a second plowing turns these under as a green-manure. Generally sown in March, seeds germinate at low temperature, but not below 1deg.C. Rate of seed sown varies with type of fiber desired; for coarse fiber for cordage and coarser textiles, 2.5 bu/ha is used; for finest fibers, 7.5-10 bu/ha used. Seed sown by machine in rows from 12 cm upwards, placing the seed at depth of 3.5 cm at rate of 40-60 kg/ha. In many countries seed sown broadcast. When grown for seed (oil), seed sown by drills; then such plants sometimes reach height of 5.3 m with thick stems up to 5 cm in diameter, much-branched. For fiber, stems up to 2 m tall and 0.5 cm in diameter are best; larger stems tend to get woody and have lower fiber content. Besides, they are more difficult to handle during harvesting, retting and scutching. Plants require little cultivation, except for weeding during early stages of growth. Hemp grows rapidly and soon crowds out weeds. After plants are 20 cm tall, weeding is abandoned. Hemp tends to exhaust the soil of nutrients. Some nutrients are returned to the soil after plants are harvested. On medium fertile soils a dressing of farm manure or a green-manure crop should be added and turned under. Chalk, potash, or gypsum may be applied to the soil to add the needed nutrition. Sodium nitrate and ammonium along with potassium sulfate have a beneficial effect on the fiber crop. Fiber-producing plants should always have plenty of proper nutrients, especially nitrogen, which is the most important element needed. Irrigation is seldom practiced. HarvestingHemp is ready for harvest four to five months after planting, rarely earlier for some varieties. Harvesting depends on the climatic conditions, the variety of hemp grown and whether the crop is being grown for hemp or seed. In temperate areas, hemp is usually harvested from mid July to mid August. Both male and female plants look alike until they flower; then the male plants turn yellow and die, whereas the female plants remain dark green for another month until the seed ripens. Male plants are ready to harvest for fiber when the leaves change from dark green to light brown. The best yield of fiber (and only male plants are used) is then obtained. Hemp is harvested when the staminate flowers are beginning to open and shed their pollen. Seed is harvested from the female plants when most of it falls off when the plant is shaken. Best time of day to harvest seed is in early morning when fruits are turgid and conditions damp. As fruits dry out by mid-day, seed loss increases due to shattering. Usually stems are cut and the seeds shaken out over canvas sheets or beaten with sticks to extract the seeds. For fiber, hemp plants are cut by hand with a hemp knife, similar to a long-handled sickle. Plants are cut 2-3 cm above the ground and spread on the ground to dry. In some areas, the entire plants are pulled up and laid out to dry. Hand cutting, one man can cut about one-fifth hectare per day. Sometimes specially designed harvesters with a tractor are able to harvest four hectares a day. In many areas several varieties of hemp are grown so as to spread out the harvest, one maturing in late July and used later for seed crop in September, a second crop maturing in mid August, and a third maturing near end of August. Fiber is extracted from the stems of hemp by retting by methods similar to those used for other fiber plants. Sometimes the stems are dried before they are retted. After plants have air-dried for 4-6 days, the root and flower ends are cut off and the remaining portions, with branches and leaves taken or beaten off, are made into small bundles. For retting, 15-20 of these smaller bundles are made into larger bundles. In other areas stalks are not dried before retting, green stems, after roots and flower ends have been cut off, are made into bundles, and retted immediately. Hemp can be water retted, dew retted, or snow retted, according to the climatic conditions. The retted hemp stalks consist of fiber in the outer rind and a woody interior portion. Fiber is separated from the stalk by a breaking process. Stalks are dried after retting and the woody shive is broken into short pieces called hurds. Eventually the fibers are separated from the interior woody pieces by scutching by passing the bundles through a number of fluted rollers and then past large revolving drums with projecting bars which remove any remaining pieces of wood. Machines are able to handle 3-3.5 MT dried straw every hour, producing 0.4-0.5 MT of cleaned fiber. Yields and EconomicsYields of hemp per hectare depend on climatic conditions, variety grown, soil and nutrition, and spacing of plants in the field. Weight of dried stems per hectare is usually between 4.5 to 7.5 T, with a yield of fiber about 25% of the dried stalks. Usually the taller the plant, the longer will be the fiber with a greater yield per plant. In some areas fiber yields of 850- 1,700 kg/ha compared to 1,300-1,700 kg/ha seed and 30 kg ganja. The U.S.S.R. is the largest producer of hemp in the world, producing about 33% of hemp fiber, annually 105,000 MT compared to the world production of 255,000 MT (excepting China). France and West Germany are the chief importers, Italy and Yugoslavia exporters. Chile, China, Japan and Peru also produce hemp. Narcotic production is usually clandestine, but there is legal marijuana production in India. India is the main producer and exporter of oil from the seed. EnergyIn India, plants remaining in the field after harvesting for fiber are allowed to set seed. They are cut after the fruits are ripened and dried and threshed for seed collection. Grown solely for seeds, an average crop yields 1.3 to 1.6 MT/ha seed. The world low production yield was 288 kg/ha in Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the international production yield was 613 kg/ha, and the world high production yield was 3,842 kg/ha in People's Republic of China. Biotic FactorsAmong diseases of Cannibis are: Botryosphaeria marconii (stem canker, wilt), Botrytis cinerea (gray mold), Cylindrosporium sp. (leaf spot), Fusarium sp. (canker, stem rot), Gibberella saubinetii (stem rot), Hypomyces cancri (?root rot), Macrophominia phaseoli, Phomopsis cannabina, Phymatotrichum omivorum (root rot), Sclerotinia sclerotiorum (stem rot, wilt), Sclerotium rolfsii (southern blight), Septoria cannabis (leaf spot). Nematodes include: Ditylenchus dipsaci, Heterodera humuli, Longidorus maximus, Meloidogyne hapla, M. incognita, M. incognita acrita, M. spp., and Pratylenchus coffeae (Golden, p.c., 1984). Occasionally Orobanche ramosa is paratitic on the roots. References

 

Duke, J.A. 1978. The quest for tolerant germplasm. p. 1-61. In: ASA Special Symposium 32, Crop tolerance to suboptimal land conditions. Am. Soc. Agron. Madison, WI.

Duke, J.A. 1979. Ecosystematic data on economic plants. Quart. J. Crude Drug Res. 17(3-4):91-110.

C.S.I.R. (Council of Scientific and Industrial Research). 1948-1976. The wealth of India. 11 vols. New Delhi.

Watt, J.M. and Breyer-Brandwijk, M.G. 1962. The medicinal and poisonous plants of southern and eastern Africa. 2nd ed. E. & S. Livingstone, Ltd., Edinburgh and London. Complete list of references for Duke, Handbook of Energy Crops

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cold /damn and or pain with an under lying yang deficiency

chill can constrict... so can pain...

 

 

ALON MARCUS [alonmarcus]Friday, December 29, 2000 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Pulse

I have a question on pulse. What do people make of a wiry pulse that is felt only when 2 or three positions are felt together. When the pulses are felt individually they are weak.

Alon

 

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At 5:40 PM -0800 12/29/00,

ALON MARCUS wrote:

I have a

question on pulse. What do people make of a wiry pulse that is felt

only when 2 or three positions are felt together. When the pulses are

felt individually they are weak.

---

 

I find this fairly often, that a generally weakish pulse in

individual positions will gather strength and increased tension with

all three fingers down. Of course, I'm using these terms loosely.

There are several pulse qualities that might be described as feeling

weak, so interpreting the change you are describing will depend on

which one or ones, and also the exact nature of the wiryness, such as

depth, width and force, and which wrist. Can you give any of these

details?

 

Rory

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, " ALON MARCUS " <alonmarcus@w...>

wrote:

I have a question on pulse. What do people make of a wiry pulse that is

felt only when 2 or three positions are felt together. When the pulses

are felt individually they are weak.

> Alon

 

Alon

 

I was trained to pay first attention to the overall quality of the

pulse, then to consider positions afterwards. So a pulse that feels

wiry when felt with two or three fingers I would call a wiry pulse.

Also, I do not think wiry and weak are contradictory, so I assume you

feel the overall pulse to be wiry and forceful. Then do you feel ALL

the individual pulses to be weak or forceless? Or just one or two of

them?

 

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I find this a lot also, with a wiry pulse with two of three

fingers, but individually they are soggy or weak. Also,

notice if you press to the bone and then release, the first

one or two beats are wiry, and then they shift. Any ideas on

this?

 

David

 

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There are several pulse qualities that might be described as feeling weak, so interpreting the change you are describing will depend on which one or ones, and also the exact nature of the wiryness, such as depth, width and force, and which wrist. Can you give any of these details

>>>Thanks. In general, in these patients, do you give more credence to individual pulse taking or when you take all positions at once

Alon

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Hi Eagle

Still riding your BMW? Welcome to discussion group

Alon

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I assume you feel the overall pulse to be wiry and forceful

>>>>I was trained that wiry does not need to be forceful. It is like a knife edge pocking at my finger though the entire pulse length, through a larger vessel. It is constrained in that it does not fill the vessel. In many patients when I then take each position alone the quality changes dramatically. Usually to a weak, or empty, and even scattered. The patients often have a verity of S/S and may not give farther clues as to which quality is more important. This confuses me often

Alon

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I would read that the underlying deficiency (weakness) is causing a false

heat in the body with an inability of the body to hold thing properly (qi

not wrapping)... but when you push the pulse to the bone and release... you

are stimulating the vessels (hyper reactive) which response with the wiry

nature of the normal constitution...

 

it is often hard to determine the constitution from the syndrome...

 

I would say that this pulse tells you that in addition to the weakness and

soggy nature of the pulse there is somewhere either dampness, chill or pain

(pain can cause a wiry pulse also) which needs to be considered...

 

Also remember... if you play with the pulse long enough you will feel lots

of differing and confusing natures.... this is also a sign of weakness in

the body.

 

One of the corner stone of acupuncture treatment was that if your diagnosis

was so confusing as to be unclear...

treat GB. 34... to help resolve issue and clarify.

 

The nature that you most feel in the pulse is the most important... what is

consistent over time.

Keep it simple... don't get so esoteric to begin with. So for what you know

inside you....

 

Don't let your head overwhelm you.

 

>

> David Leonard [drkitsch]

> Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:43 AM

>

> Re: Pulse

>

>

> I find this a lot also, with a wiry pulse with two of three

> fingers, but individually they are soggy or weak. Also,

> notice if you press to the bone and then release, the first

> one or two beats are wiry, and then they shift. Any ideas on

> this?

>

> David

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At 9:10 AM -0800 12/30/00, alonmarcus wrote:

 

>There are several pulse qualities that might be described as feeling

>weak, so interpreting the change you are describing will depend on

>which one or ones, and also the exact nature of the wiryness, such

>as depth, width and force, and which wrist. Can you give any of

>these details

> >>>Thanks. In general, in these patients, do you give more credence

>to individual pulse taking or when you take all positions at once

--

 

OK, it seems like you are asking a general question, so the answer

has to be a generalization. As Todd mentioned, in general the overall

quality is the most significant, as it represents the whole system

(ie the whole patient). The individual positions should be read and

interpreted as separate entities but also interpreted in the context

of the whole system. Similarly, subsections of the individual

positions should be read in the context of the whole position. To ram

the point home: Context is primary.

 

However, in your example, the question is what is the context. If all

the organ positions have a similarly weak quality, I'd be inclined to

think of that as a primary observation at least equal to the wiry.

The wiry may represent a tense personality, acute pain or other

symptom, a general stagnation, or a compensation. The weak individual

positions may represent an underlying weak organ qi in general, ie

the whole organ system is weak. The weak may be the root, wiry the

branch.

 

There are too many possible variables in your general question to say

much more.

 

 

Rory

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There are too many possible variables in your general question to say much more.>>>So it sounds like in general you would conceder such a situation as having the wiry pulse represent a compensation/symptom and not some kind of physiological reaction to pushing on all three positions at once such as increasing pressure within the vessel.

Alon

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One of the corner stone of acupuncture treatment was that if your diagnosiswas so confusing as to be unclear...treat GB. 34... to help resolve issue and clarify

>>How about TE5 and GB41

Alon

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Alon Marcus wrote:

So it sounds like in general you would conceder such a

situation as having the wiry pulse represent a

compensation/symptom and not some kind of physiological

reaction to pushing on all three positions at once such

as increasing pressure within the vessel.

---

 

Dare I say both.

 

Rory

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By the way I want to thank whomever suggested Leon Hammer's pulse

classes. Dr. Hammer is doing strictly teacher training now, but I was

fortunate enough to take a Shen-hammer course from Robbee Fian, one of

his long term teachers and I found an immediate increase in my ability to

read pulses.

 

Karen Vaughan

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Will are you now in the west cost? are you planning a pulse class

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Tuesday, February 27, 2001 2:36 PM

Eight Extra Vessel pulses

Dear friends, I am signing up from my home email address so I may participate more fully. I have been following Nan Jing pulse styles and studying the Eight extra vessels for twenty years. During the nineties I was a senior teacher of the Hammer system. I am currently the Den of Clinical Education at Emperor's College of TOM and teach seminars on pulse diagnosis. Here are some highlites from my experience and study. The qualities are those recorded by Li Zhishen and Wang Shuhe. Will Morris Eight Extra Vessel pulse principles They show the relationship of positions to each other They can be recorded in the section regarding sides A few findings from clinical observation: 1. They are always present 2. Changes: a. they can bedifferent on one side or the other b. they can bedifferent at varying depths c. they changewhen the amplitude is changing 3. When they are the same everywhere and consistently, it isa compelling reason to use an Eight extra channel or the related herbs. 4. They are an efficient method of recording an image on oneside clearly and concisely, thus they should be recorded under side. 5. They show relationship of positions to each other.Different from qualities or positions or sections, these images provide abackdrop of information that is not rendered available through 'typical'pulse taking methods. Herbs for the eight extras: (http://bluepoppy.com/press/download/articles/ye-vessels.htmlpuncture.comhas Bob Flaw's translation of Ye Tian-shi's use of herbs forEight extra vessels and http://www.acupuncture.com/Herbology/Eight.htm has TianDe Yang's translation of Li Shi-shen's) Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

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Tampa area April 28-29

 

LA May 11-12-13

 

Hawaii June 9-10 (Day two will focus more on pulses)

 

LA July 20-21-22

 

CSOMA San Francisco Aug 4 (this is a three hour introduction to eight

extraordinary vessel pulses, and another dealing with pulse/tongue and latent

heat presentations)

 

Maryland Institute April 27-28 2002

 

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