Touching bones.

[Guest guest]

geovani: I understand that several modes of accidents may occour

during an acupuncture session. Organ puncturing, blood vessel

puncturing, nerve puncturing...each envolving diferent periculosity

and pain levels.

What is the level of periculosity and pain/discomfort related

to needling accidents where a bone structure is " touched " ?

Some points are realy close to bones and articulations,

and at the same time require fairly deep penetration (p. ex. Col 15)

 

Thx, in advance.

[Guest guest]

When I went to my first acupuncture session, I was told that there is a

slight chance, albeit very slim that damage can occur. But this would be a

result of improper training, or just carelessness with placing the needles. I

believe it is safe to say organ damage is minimal to none, since the needles

are not placed that deeply into the skin. Again, as long as the acupuncturist

has the proper training, they should have the knowledge to proceed without

these mishaps. As for the pain, i can only speak for myself, and those in my

family who have had treatments. The pain is minimal, more of a tingling

sensation that gradually warms as the needles are manipulated. I found it to

be quite relaxing and enjoyable. Hope this helps:)

Lauren

[Guest guest]

Based on my experience, touching a bone with a needle is not that big of

a deal. I have done it occassionally, and generally I was aware but the

patient was not. A few times the patient also said " oww " .... but

sometimes they do that anyway. I suppose if you were oblivious to the

fact that your needle had encountered a bone.... and you cotinued trying

to insert the needle " God-dangit... I can't get this needle in.... what

the hell is going on?!! " you might do some damage or break your needle.

 

Anyone disagree with my point of view here?

 

 

By the way, Geovani, I appreciate your posts. You have good insight and

your questions are making this list more interesting.....

 

 

Greg Dember, L.Ac.

[Guest guest]

Greg Dember <dember

 

Based on my experience, touching a bone with a needle is not that big of

a deal. I have done it occassionally, and generally I was aware but the

patient was not. A few times the patient also said " oww " .... but

sometimes they do that anyway. I suppose if you were oblivious to the

fact that your needle had encountered a bone.... and you cotinued trying

to insert the needle " God-dangit... I can't get this needle in.... what

the hell is going on?!! " you might do some damage or break your needle.

 

Anyone disagree with my point of view here?

 

 

By the way, Geovani, I appreciate your posts. You have good insight and

your questions are making this list more interesting.....

 

 

Greg Dember, L.Ac.

 

geovani: Glad to hear it!! Not because i apreciate flatery....no, but because

i was afraid to be annoying. My intention is to be a realy serious, good

acupunturist.

I think that through a list like this, with over a hundred people into the same

interest,

the oportunities to learn are enormous. BTW, your replay on this particular

matter -

touching bones - hit the exact point i wanted to clear!! Thanks. And, as you

sugested,

other opinions and points of wiew are wellcome.

[Guest guest]

Hi Greg and Geovani

 

another hat thrown in the ring, after sitting on the ropes for a few weeks (and

that's as far as I can go with that analogy). here's another question - have you

notice how needles dull more quickly in some points than others, and what do you

make of that> Physical or energetic, or due to intention? I have my own

thoughts, but I'd be interested in yours?

 

Regards

 

Amanda

[Guest guest]

Hi Greg and Geovani

 

another hat thrown in the ring, after sitting on the ropes for a few weeks (and

that's as far as I can go with that analogy). here's another question - have you

notice how needles dull more quickly in some points than others, and what do you

make of that> Physical or energetic, or due to intention? I have my own

thoughts, but I'd be interested in yours?

 

Regards

 

Amanda

 

geovani: By the word " dull " , you mean something

similar " to anaesthesic sensation " ? Is your experience

in this particular issue from puncturing yourself, or

the sensation described by patients?

[Guest guest]

What I meant is that needles lose their sharpness, are less able to penetrate

cleanly after using particular points. I notice this when I've used a point with

particularly strong action, for example a strong spirit point that will be

important for the patient, or a strong command point.(I'm a practitioner of 11

years experience)

 

Amanda

[Guest guest]

What I meant is that needles lose their sharpness, are less able to penetrate

cleanly after using particular points. I notice this when I've used a point with

particularly strong action, for example a strong spirit point that will be

important for the patient, or a strong command point.(I'm a practitioner of 11

years experience)

 

Amanda

 

geovani: Very interesting. But unfortunatly I am a novice in matters of

needle handling. I am studying the theory (with a mechanical engeneer

impetus, and homeophatic antecedents :+AF4-). I will start +ACI-school+ACI- in

january.

BTW....wich points could be good to experiment in myself? I promise that

I will pay attention to the point that you raised, though....Our body, our

phisiology, our existence as a whole.....is a mistery.....feeled to the brim

with

energys that we may not fully understand yet....

[Guest guest]

hi Geovani

 

please don't go needling yourself yet, tempting though it may be. There are

nerves, vessels, structures that you can seriously damage+ACE- If you don

successfully find an acupuncture point, how are you going to know whether it's

appropriate for you to use? Each point has at least one specific action on your

energetic flow and balance+ACE-

 

when I was training, we didn't needle at all for the first two years (while we

learnt all the point locations, the anatomy and physiology), and then only on an

orange (for practising technique). Finally, we'd practice on each other in safe

areas, identified by a trained supervisor who would be with us throughout (this

continued into our clinical training). So basically, I think you should hang

fire until your tutors determine that you are ready+ACE-

 

Sorry to seem like a cautious mother - sometimes, that's what's appropriate..

 

Amanda