dull needles

[Guest guest]

>What I meant is that needles lose their sharpness, are less able to

>penetrate cleanly after using particular points. I notice this when I've

>used a point with particularly strong action, for example a strong spirit

>point that will be important for the patient, or a strong command

>point.(I'm a practitioner of 11 years experience)

>

>Amanda

 

 

I thought this was what you might have meant, rather then the qi

sensation being dull. How interesting! In the US, as far as I know, few

of us re-use needles. I never have. So that's interesting-- you find

that the needle is worn down faster after a powerful qi connection.

 

Greg

[Guest guest]

I'm interested that you don't reuse needles in the States - why is this?

Here, we generally will use each (pre-sterilised, disposable) needle for two

or three insertions. Is your practice a policy thing, or a treatment

approach?

 

Amanda

[Guest guest]

Hi Greg

 

yes, that'll be it. I'm trained in and practice both styles, though my

training of TCM also included tonification of points to move/stimulate

flow. this action involves brief insertion, with rotation of the needle in

the point by 180 degrees before withdrawal.

 

this list is getting interesting!

 

Regards

 

amanda

[Guest guest]

oops, just found your second paragraph. I agree that TCM effectively

addresses emotional issues - I think that the Five Element elitism stems

from an old history, personality politics, stuff best forgotten. That said,

my TCM training never took me to the spirit of points in the way that Five

Element did, and I'm glad of my training at Leamington for that above all

else.

 

Amanda

[Guest guest]

>I'm interested that you don't reuse needles in the States - why is this?

>Here, we generally will use each (pre-sterilised, disposable) needle for two

>or three insertions. Is your practice a policy thing, or a treatment

>approach?

 

 

It's a policy thing.... but you know what? Maybe this is a TCM vs. 5-E

thing. Are you a 5-E practitioner? Am I right that you sometimes use

very brief insertion times, with a sequence of insertions? If that is

the case, it would make sense to reuse a needle a few times on the same

patient within the same treatment. In my practice (I'm electic grounded

in TCM) I almost always leave the needles in for 15-30 minutes, then

take them all out at once. So I wouldn't be re-using a needle within one

session.

 

 

By the way.... I respect Five Element Acupuncture, and I even have

friends who are of that persuasion, but sometimes it bugs me when 5-E

practitioners give out the impression that TCM acupuncturists don't base

their treatments on the Five Elements. Or that we don't treat emotional

issues.

 

Greg Dember

[Guest guest]

This can be dangerous as muscle fibers can be caught on the needle. Best to

close ones eyes and imagine either sucking the bad qi out all the while

pumping ever so slightly the needle in an outward direction - for

tonification, do the exact opposite. It works wonderfully without any danger.

 

 

 

BoumBoum wrote:

 

> " BoumBoum " <boum.boum

>

> Hi Greg

>

> yes, that'll be it. I'm trained in and practice both styles, though my

> training of TCM also included tonification of points to move/stimulate

> flow. this action involves brief insertion, with rotation of the needle in

> the point by 180 degrees before withdrawal.

>

 

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