Guest guest Posted November 29, 1999 Report Share Posted November 29, 1999 i've worked in a drug treatment program for several years. Its very fascinating and anyone who has questions can write me. In general, the protocol (5 needles) is always the same, the theory being that addicts need a consistent treatment, they always know how the treatment feels, otherwise they start looking at the points used (and the practitioner) and begin blaming them for any lack of success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 Amanda: the 5 needle protocol is the standard used treating addictions to heroin or nicotine. I believe it's the same in both cases.... I've only treated nicotine addiction. Shen Men Kidney Liver Lung Endocrine I know.... I know... this is a totally " cook book " approach. But it works... and you can modify it if you choose. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 Greg Dember <dember Amanda: the 5 needle protocol is the standard used treating addictions to heroin or nicotine. I believe it's the same in both cases.... I've only treated nicotine addiction. Shen Men Kidney Liver Lung Endocrine I know.... I know... this is a totally " cook book " approach. But it works... and you can modify it if you choose. Greg geovani: I would like to use this oportunity, to explore further some thoughts about the " cook book " issue. We said that the correct aprouche would be to treat the patient, and try to " face " the real, fundamental " illness " . And we questioned the value of the " recepies " - but did not desregarded them - for they represent centuries of successfull clinical practice...And I would like to question something further. When the patient complains about that old shoulder pain, and the practicioner punctures those local sore points, and some distal ones....is he not, eventualy, treating exactly the fundamental deseise? I mean - and I am questioning this - could it not be that the shoulder pain is guiding the practicioner to treat exactly the canals, organs, and energy levels that will " touch " the fundamental desequilibrium in depth? So the pain, or the local afection, would be exactly the guiding trail that will lead to the " real " profound illness in many cases? After all, in puncturing points of meredians, a whole set of chain reactions could happen, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 >When the patient complains about >that old shoulder pain, and the practicioner punctures those local >sore points, and some distal ones....is he not, eventualy, treating >exactly the fundamental deseise? I mean - and I am questioning this >- could it not be that the shoulder pain is guiding the practicioner >to treat exactly the canals, organs, and energy levels that will " touch " >the fundamental desequilibrium in depth? So the pain, or the local >afection, would be exactly the guiding trail that will lead to the > " real " profound illness in many cases? After all, in puncturing points >of meredians, a whole set of chain reactions could happen, no? yes, in many cases. well stated... Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 Thanks for the 5 needle info, Greg. And Giovani, yes, the symptomatic treatment you describe can lead back to the cause - but I'd also use 5 element skills to get there faster, ie I mix TCM and 5 element within the same treatment, to treat cause and symptom at the same time. Patients need the physical relief, but they also appreciate your reaching deeper ( I always put this into context at the beginning of treatment, so they understand where I'm coming from, and we can talk about whether this feels appropriate. sometimes people just want to get fixed, barefoot style!). Amanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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