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Ah, an acquaintance of mine some time back told me he was a 5E practionor. AS we would often compare styles. I would normally choose 6-12 points to needle and allow all the needles to remain in for 20 or more minutes. 20 minutes was the time it takes for one cycle of Qi to go through all the meridians. His method was to needle one point, obtain Da Qi, withdraw the needle and go on to the next point.

Are there different methods of 5E needling?

 

Ed Kasper L.Ac.,

 

murray cole [murrayc]Saturday, March 18, 2000 9:08 PMacupuncture Subject: Re: acupuncture Treatment for Josef, KI3 1st"murray cole" <murrayc

Dear Josep,

I sent Josef a list of symptoms that I wanted him to fill out and the Kidneys came up the most indicated or weakest in this case, amongest.other symptoms so you let the body know which point needs the most attention by needling first, and i also forgot to mention to take out Ki3 last, [hope your reading this Josef] also lets the body know that ki3 energy is needed the most. The energy will go to the first point you put in, and will also recognise the last point you leave in, and will stay with that point the longest.

 

Cheers Murray

 

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JCarrion

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Saturday, March 18, 2000 8:01 AM

RE: acupuncture Treatment for Josef

"JCarrion" <jcarrionterapeuta

Dear Murray,

 

Why the kidney 3 is needled before Liver 3?

 

Muchas gracias por su atención,

Thank you very much for all your attention,

 

Josep Carrion.

 

jcarrionterapeuta

 

-----Mensaje original-----De: murray cole [murrayc]Enviado el: jueves, 16 de marzo de 2000 11:27Para: acupuncture onelistAsunto: acupuncture Treatment for Josef"murray cole" <murrayc

Ok Josef, After your 2nd treatrment, same as the 1st one, You need to needle ki3, first, then liv3, co 4 and cv12. Put slice of moxa stick on ki3, 3 times, and cv 12 heat with moxa stick, tonify moxa.

 

Then let me know how you feel a day or so after the treatment for a follow up treatment.

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Dear Josep,

I sent Josef a list of symptoms that I wanted him to fill out and the Kidneys came up the most indicated or weakest in this case, amongest.other symptoms so you let the body know which point needs the most attention by needling first, and i also forgot to mention to take out Ki3 last, [hope your reading this Josef] also lets the body know that ki3 energy is needed the most. The energy will go to the first point you put in, and will also recognise the last point you leave in, and will stay with that point the longest.

 

Cheers Murray

 

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JCarrion

acupuncture

Saturday, March 18, 2000 8:01 AM

RE: acupuncture Treatment for Josef

"JCarrion" <jcarrionterapeuta

Dear Murray,

 

Why the kidney 3 is needled before Liver 3?

 

Muchas gracias por su atención,

Thank you very much for all your attention,

 

Josep Carrion.

 

jcarrionterapeuta

 

-----Mensaje original-----De: murray cole [murrayc]Enviado el: jueves, 16 de marzo de 2000 11:27Para: acupuncture onelistAsunto: acupuncture Treatment for Josef"murray cole" <murrayc

Ok Josef, After your 2nd treatrment, same as the 1st one, You need to needle ki3, first, then liv3, co 4 and cv12. Put slice of moxa stick on ki3, 3 times, and cv 12 heat with moxa stick, tonify moxa.

 

Then let me know how you feel a day or so after the treatment for a follow up treatment.

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Thank you Murray.

 

 

 

Muchas gracias por su atención,

Thank you very much for all your attention,

 

Josep Carrion.

 

jcarrionterapeuta

 

-----Mensaje original-----De: murray cole [murrayc]Enviado el: sábado, 18 de marzo de 2000 22:08Para: acupuncture Asunto: Re: acupuncture Treatment for Josef, KI3 1st "murray cole" <murrayc

Dear Josep,

I sent Josef a list of symptoms that I wanted him to fill out and the Kidneys came up the most indicated or weakest in this case, amongest.other symptoms so you let the body know which point needs the most attention by needling first, and i also forgot to mention to take out Ki3 last, [hope your reading this Josef] also lets the body know that ki3 energy is needed the most. The energy will go to the first point you put in, and will also recognise the last point you leave in, and will stay with that point the longest.

 

Cheers Murray

 

-

JCarrion

acupuncture

Saturday, March 18, 2000 8:01 AM

RE: acupuncture Treatment for Josef

"JCarrion" <jcarrionterapeuta

Dear Murray,

 

Why the kidney 3 is needled before Liver 3?

 

Muchas gracias por su atención,

Thank you very much for all your attention,

 

Josep Carrion.

 

jcarrionterapeuta

 

-----Mensaje original-----De: murray cole [murrayc]Enviado el: jueves, 16 de marzo de 2000 11:27Para: acupuncture onelistAsunto: acupuncture Treatment for Josef"murray cole" <murrayc

Ok Josef, After your 2nd treatrment, same as the 1st one, You need to needle ki3, first, then liv3, co 4 and cv12. Put slice of moxa stick on ki3, 3 times, and cv 12 heat with moxa stick, tonify moxa.

 

Then let me know how you feel a day or so after the treatment for a follow up treatment.

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