ointment recipes?

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In a message dated 11/26/2002 11:43:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ozar14 writes:

 

> I want to make my own ointments to add to my practice.

> Does anyone have any ointment recipes?

> David

 

what dieases you want to treat?

Judy Hou

All Natural Medicine Clinic

4801 Randolph Rd.

Rockville MD 20852

http://anmedicine.com

 

 

 

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Judy,

I want to make ointments to treat my patients with

headaches, musculoskeletal disorders, arthritis,

etc...

Is there an ointment for uplifting shen? Thanks for

your help in advanced.

David

 

--- drjudyhou wrote:

> In a message dated 11/26/2002 11:43:27 AM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> ozar14 writes:

>

> > I want to make my own ointments to add to my

> practice.

> > Does anyone have any ointment recipes?

> > David

>

> what dieases you want to treat?

> Judy Hou

> All Natural Medicine Clinic

> 4801 Randolph Rd.

> Rockville MD 20852

> http://anmedicine.com

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

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David,

If you want to make the ointment by yourself, you must to know Chinese herbal

medicine. Generally, in China, almost traumatology, dermatology uses

ointment. For diseases and conditions, likes injuries, from falls, fractures,

contusions, strain and hemorrhoids, anal fissure, etc.

 

I do have the recipes for above conditions, but I'd know the law. I treat and

practice in Maryland. Which state you are? Are you an acupuncturist? Never

has student ask me this ointment. I think if the law allow acupuncturist to

practice ointment, it will have great future in the US.

 

I sew the ad. for an ointment on Chinese newspaper for pain condition that

called QIZHENG. If you have interesting in it I can find out and send the

information to you.

 

We have had reseached medical herbs called " Sniff & Relief " for headache,

allergy and cold for over 12 years in clinic in China and the USA, that has

very good results.

 

I used to call FDA to ask about medical herbs how we can practice here. But

he tald me you cannot say medicine. So really I don't know ointment can be

used in America or not by acupuncturist.

 

You asked me any ointment for uplifting shen, the answer is YES! Simply you

can use tiger bar, that could help reducing headache and uplift shen, or you

could use Sniff & Relief.

 

Judy

 

> Judy,

> I want to make ointments to treat my patients with

> headaches, musculoskeletal disorders, arthritis,

> etc...

> Is there an ointment for uplifting shen? Thanks for

> your help in advanced.

> David

>

 

 

Judy Hou

All Natural Medicine Clinic

4801 Randolph Rd.

Rockville MD 20852

http://anmedicine.com

 

 

 

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>I used to call FDA to ask about medical herbs how we can practice here.

But

>he tald me you cannot say medicine. So really I don't know ointment

can be

>used in America or not by acupuncturist.

 

Hi Judy,

 

Maybe someone will give more about the FDA but herbs are not under

their jurisdiction....yet. There are many ointments patents in our school's

Herbal Pharmacy that anyone can come in and purchase.

There is a class of medicines that are called OTC (Over The Counter).

That is why you can go into your local drugstore and buy these

without a prescription. Also, there are many drugs that used to need

prescriptions, whose patents have expired, and are now OTC.

The pharmaceutical companies often try to slightly reformulate drugs

so that it can keep it off the OTC market and continue their

high profit margins.

 

I totally agree with you that someone should be well-schooled.

However, in most, if not all states, anyone can practice herbal medicine

without a license.....therein, may lie the problem!!

 

 

Kit

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David,

 

If you look on Amazon.com you will some books. One that I know the name of is

kitchen witchery. There are several herb books which will give you recipes

for salves and ointment and also Blue Poppy has a book on ShaoLin External

Medicine which has many recipes. Are you studying herbal medicine???

 

I myself generally use patent remedies these days as there are so many good

one. I use White Flower Oil and Po Sum On together for basic move blood,

anti-inflammatory stuff such as muscle and back aches. Spring Wind makes

plasters you can make yourself combinations, etc. There are also plasters you

can buy. Blue Poppy makes a whole line of sprays, salves,etc. The one area

that I find people like to make for themselves and for which there are not

great products in my opinion is Dit Dao. Many Shiatsu and Qi Gong/Tai Qi and

other Martial Arts practitioners make their own. Start with Blue Poppy's Shao

Lin Book and look around for others.

 

A great Western Herbal Teacher is Michael Moore in NM and Michael Tierra use

to give how to make courses. There are probably others.

 

I do not believe there are licensing laws regarding Herbalism as yet in this

country. Few if any Acupuncture Lic. have herbal medicine as part of their

licensing but I look at as 2 different practices and it is possible to get

Certified in Oriental Medicine by the NCCAOM.

 

Hope this helps and good luck!!! In the old days all it took was a sincere

interest and common sense!!!!

 

Bobbi

 

 

 

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You are right, Kit. But how can you have the patent of herbal medicine, but

can't get on OTC? I mean, which way, where you can reach the OTC? In China,

have a lots of patent's herbal medicine that function is much stronger then

medications but can't get in OTC, even can't use medical terms on the

directions (under FDA control) , how those patients can find quality medical

herbs and use it? It's not just ointment.

 

So far, I just find Jensen, Jinger and Gingo on the OTC.

 

Judy

 

 

>

> >I used to call FDA to ask about medical herbs how we can practice here.

> But

> >he tald me you cannot say medicine. So really I don't know ointment

> can be

> >used in America or not by acupuncturist.

>

> Hi Judy,

>

> Maybe someone will give more about the FDA but herbs are not under

> their jurisdiction....yet. There are many ointments patents in our

> school's

> Herbal Pharmacy that anyone can come in and purchase.

> There is a class of medicines that are called OTC (Over The Counter).

> That is why you can go into your local drugstore and buy these

> without a prescription. Also, there are many drugs that used to need

> prescriptions, whose patents have expired, and are now OTC.

> The pharmaceutical companies often try to slightly reformulate drugs

> so that it can keep it off the OTC market and continue their

> high profit margins.

>

> I totally agree with you that someone should be well-schooled.

> However, in most, if not all states, anyone can practice herbal medicine

> without a license.....therein, may lie the problem!!

>

>

> Kit

>

>

 

 

Judy Hou

All Natural Medicine Clinic

4801 Randolph Rd.

Rockville MD 20852

http://anmedicine.com

 

 

 

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Kit

 

Don't think you are correct about anyone being able to practice herbal

medicine without a license. It's just that the FDA has their hands full with

everything else. Don't worry - they will get to it.

 

Even here in Florida with Acupuncture Physicians having many issues written

into Law & Rules.....still there was a situation recently regarding one

investigation by the FDA and every raw herb was pulled off the practitioner's

shelves PLUS every formula on the shelf that didn't have clearly written in

latin or botanical name - every ingredient was also pulled. So home made

itmes maybe problematic. The FDA may give us trouble at some point for

individualized formulations unless of course it is labeled completely and

properly.

 

Where they have their leverage is in the agricultural and labeling arenas.

 

Where-ever your school is located they NEED to be aware that the FDA CAN come

into the school and remove or cause to have removed ALL the raw herbs and

poorly labeled products.

 

Richard

 

In a message dated 12/2/02 4:39:26 PM, kitcurtin writes:

 

<< Maybe someone will give more about the FDA but herbs are not under

their jurisdiction....yet. There are many ointments patents in our school's

Herbal Pharmacy that anyone can come in and purchase.

There is a class of medicines that are called OTC (Over The Counter).

That is why you can go into your local drugstore and buy these

without a prescription. Also, there are many drugs that used to need

prescriptions, whose patents have expired, and are now OTC.

The pharmaceutical companies often try to slightly reformulate drugs

so that it can keep it off the OTC market and continue their

high profit margins.

 

I totally agree with you that someone should be well-schooled.

However, in most, if not all states, anyone can practice herbal medicine

without a license.....therein, may lie the problem!!

 

 

Kit

>>

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Hi Kit

 

Not sure that it's that clear YET on a state by state basis.

Even here in Florida - although people don't know it - I suspect that someday

soon those practicing homeopathy and/or any herbal medicine without a license

will get a CEASE & DECIST and then if they continue there will be trouble,

 

Richard

 

In a message dated 12/3/02 9:45:17 AM, kitcurtin writes:

 

<< Hi Richard,

Thanks for the info!

I had info someone had told me.

I do know that there are herbalists

without licenses and that not all states

require the NCCAOM herbal exam for acu-

licensing. Tennessee doesn't even

require a license for acupuncture. I am

sure it will change.

Do you know which states require a license

for herbalists?

Kit

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bobbi

 

Certification by NCCAOM is NOT a license. It has almost NO meaning accept

where a State Law accepts it as a testing service.

 

The State Laws take precedent.

 

All I can speak to - clearly - is in Florida .......and here it is NOT

necessary to be NCCAOM certified in anything - just that the State of Florida

presently USES NCCAOM to give the written and point location tests. One needs

NOT pay the additional fee for the use of the words...'NCCAOM Certified'.

 

As to the practice of herbal medicine..... HERE it IS within our State

legislated SCOPE of PRACTICE. NCCAOM has nothing to do with it.

 

Hope that clears up some confusion that exists out there.

 

Richard

 

In a message dated 12/3/02 9:55:29 AM, bobbiaqua writes:

 

<<

I do not believe there are licensing laws regarding Herbalism as yet in this

country. Few if any Acupuncture Lic. have herbal medicine as part of their

licensing but I look at as 2 different practices and it is possible to get

Certified in Oriental Medicine by the NCCAOM.

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the info!

I had info someone had told me.

I do know that there are herbalists

without licenses and that not all states

require the NCCAOM herbal exam for acu-

licensing. Tennessee doesn't even

require a license for acupuncture. I am

sure it will change.

Do you know which states require a license

for herbalists?

Kit

 

 

At 09:20 AM 12/3/02 -0500, you wrote:

>

>Kit

>

>Don't think you are correct about anyone being able to practice herbal

>medicine without a license. It's just that the FDA has their hands full with

>everything else. Don't worry - they will get to it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Judy,

 

I'm sorry if I caused any confusion with the word patent.

It has a different meaning in the US.

 

patent, defintion: a govt. grant conferring, for a certain

period of time, the exclusive right of making, using or

selling a new invention. We don't call drugs " patents "

but they are patented medicines. Usually, the referral

to Chinese " patents " has to be explained to new patients.

 

One cannot patent herbal medicine since herbs already

exist in nature. That's what has the pharmaceutical

companies upset about the growing use of herbs.

They can make no profit from herbal medicine. The

drug company lobbyists are behind much of the

attempt to regulate supplements, herbs and

natural therapies.

This makes our self-regulation even more important.

Presently, we remain safe by prescribing per Chinese

diagnosis.

 

Kit

 

 

A bill requiring testing for and trials of effectiveness of herbal medicines

for other alternative medicine treatments would bender this industry in the

short term. However, these efforts will benefit the historically traditional

forms of medicines and our client, the pharmaceutical companies.

A Lobbying Plan for the Pharmaceutical Industry

to Protect the Health of Americans

<http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:wNmPUkJD73wC:www.vanguard-solutions.c

om/personal/scott/docs/p8.doc+pharmaceutical+lobby+and+herb & hl=en & ie=UTF-8>

http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:wNmPUkJD73wC:www.vanguard-solutions.com

/personal/scott/docs/p8.doc+pharmaceutical+lobby+and+herb & hl=en & ie=UTF-8

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the US, the Commission on Dietary Supplements is seeking to facilitate the

making of OTC drug claims on herbs by strongly advising Congress that the FDA

should create a special panel for this purpose. Although, technically, this is

not creating a " new OTC category, " in reality, this move is still

encouraging a

shift from FOOD to " DRUG " , and they are trying to make it seem INNOCUOUS.

<http://www.iahf.com/world/cdx-dec.txt>http://www.iahf.com/world/cdx-dec.txt

 

 

The pharmaceutical industry has very powerful lobby groups which have for the

most part tilted governing bodies against the herbal industry but citizens are

starting to speak out which is a good thing.

<http://www.ferlowbrothers.com/statistics.htm>http://www.ferlowbrothers.com

/statistics.htm

 

 

There is no lobby in Washington as large, as powerful or as well-financed as

the pharmaceutical lobby.

Thanks to Washington's well-oiled revolving door between government and

business, the industry is able to claim friends in especially high places.

Even more important, more than half the drug industry's 625 registered

lobbyists

are either former members of Congress or former Congressional staff members

and

government employees, according to a report from Public Citizen.

The drug industry needs this political capital both now and the future -

especially when it comes to patents. For the industry, the protection of

patents - which give companies monopoly control over the drugs they bring to

market for a number of years - is basic to their existence.

At the moment, industry lobbyists are swarming through the halls of Congress

because the House is about to consider a Senate-passed bill to extend the

industry's monopoly patents by six months on many existing drugs - a measure

that could reap billions for the industry but cost consumers.

And there may have been another motive for the corporate offers. Drug makers

depend on patents to help them recoup their research and testing costs, but

once those costs are recovered, the high prices they charge for patented drugs

give them operating margins that are among the highest in corporate America.

<http://www.mercola.com/2001/nov/21/drug_industry.htm>http://www.mercola.co

m/2001/nov/21/drug_industry.htm

 

 

At 10:44 PM 12/2/02 -0500, you wrote:

>

> You are right, Kit. But how can you have the patent of herbal medicine, but

> can't get on OTC? I mean, which way, where you can reach the OTC? In China,

> have a lots of patent's herbal medicine that function is much stronger then

> medications but can't get in OTC, even can't use medical terms on the

> directions (under FDA control) , how those patients can find quality

medical

> herbs and use it? It's not just ointment.

>

> So far, I just find Jensen, Jinger and Gingo on the OTC.

>

> Judy

[Guest guest]

Yes, I think you are right... that it is on the horizon.

Although, there also may be some grandfathering-in....

Kit

 

 

At 10:00 AM 12/3/02 -0500, ACUDOC11 wrote:

>Hi Kit

>

>Not sure that it's that clear YET on a state by state basis.

>Even here in Florida - although people don't know it - I suspect that

someday

>soon those practicing homeopathy and/or any herbal medicine without a

license

>will get a CEASE & DECIST and then if they continue there will be trouble,

>

>Richard

>

[Guest guest]

Kit

 

Grandfathering maybe but not here without a license as I do not believe it

will be licensed separately.

Maybe elsewhere in the US.

Richard

 

 

> Yes, I think you are right... that it is on the horizon.

> Although, there also may be some grandfathering-in....

> Kit

>

>

> At 10:00 AM 12/3/02 -0500, ACUDOC11 wrote:

> >Hi Kit

> >

> >Not sure that it's that clear YET on a state by state basis.

> >Even here in Florida - although people don't know it - I suspect that

> someday

> >soon those practicing homeopathy and/or any herbal medicine without a

> license

> >will get a CEASE & DECIST and then if they continue there will be trouble,

> >

> >Richard

> >

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Richard,

 

Hi, I was/am wondering where in Florida you are located and what type of

practice you have?

 

 

Thanks,

 

Bobbi

East Hampton, NY

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bobbi for all the information, it helps. I am

studying Oriental Medicine presently. I am nearing my

first year in the program. I was inquering about

ointments because my school in AOM does not cover this

topic in any of its courses. I wanted to make

ointments because for one, i tend to learn more

hands-on and i thought it would be fun. Secondly,

they wouldn't go to waste because i can use them on my

patients-- i have been practicing massage/bodywork for

10 years. Thanks again for the info. , i'll check it

out

David

 

--- bobbiaqua wrote:

> David,

>

> If you look on Amazon.com you will some books. One

> that I know the name of is

> kitchen witchery. There are several herb books which

> will give you recipes

> for salves and ointment and also Blue Poppy has a

> book on ShaoLin External

> Medicine which has many recipes. Are you studying

> herbal medicine???

>

> I myself generally use patent remedies these days as

> there are so many good

> one. I use White Flower Oil and Po Sum On together

> for basic move blood,

> anti-inflammatory stuff such as muscle and back

> aches. Spring Wind makes

> plasters you can make yourself combinations, etc.

> There are also plasters you

> can buy. Blue Poppy makes a whole line of sprays,

> salves,etc. The one area

> that I find people like to make for themselves and

> for which there are not

> great products in my opinion is Dit Dao. Many

> Shiatsu and Qi Gong/Tai Qi and

> other Martial Arts practitioners make their own.

> Start with Blue Poppy's Shao

> Lin Book and look around for others.

>

> A great Western Herbal Teacher is Michael Moore in

> NM and Michael Tierra use

> to give how to make courses. There are probably

> others.

>

> I do not believe there are licensing laws regarding

> Herbalism as yet in this

> country. Few if any Acupuncture Lic. have herbal

> medicine as part of their

> licensing but I look at as 2 different practices and

> it is possible to get

> Certified in Oriental Medicine by the NCCAOM.

>

> Hope this helps and good luck!!! In the old days all

> it took was a sincere

> interest and common sense!!!!

>

> Bobbi

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 12/4/02 11:18:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ozar14 writes:

 

> I wanted to make

> ointments because for one, i tend to learn more

> hands-on and i thought it would be fun.

 

David,

 

I really want to encourage you because this is how I started out fortunately

long before there was all this gov't intervention and people who were

interested simply learned and made their own. I am cleaning out my own

library which has gotten too big so let me know how your search goes and when

I see what I am going to do and if I have any books of interest to you we can

talk!!

 

Good Luck!!

 

Bobbi

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi, Richard,

 

 

If the decubitus didn't become ulcer yet, the best way is to choose Dahuang

with alcohol. if get ulcer you could choose ZhengZhu Feng (powder) and BaiJi

Feng(powder). If has infection, best way is choosing antibiotic (that

stronger then Chinese medcine). fungus infection you could shoose Garlic,

Huoshiang(by oral or I.V.-imposible in US).

 

Wish you get success!

 

Judy

 

> Dear Judy

>

> My interests are in the skin ulcer domain....so if you have variations to

> clean, kill bacteria/fungus etc and heal - then I would like to know others

> than the ones I already mentioned. I am focusing on the elderly and 'bed

> sores' or different stages of decubitus ulcers.

>

> Thanks,

> Richard

>

>

> In a message dated 12/2/02 10:58:02 PM, DrJudyHou writes:

>

> <<Dear Rechard,

>

> You are right. Simple things likes tiger bar that has no any risk for

> patients may has no any effective either.

>

> I have books that talk about ointment, may you need tell a disease that I

> can tell you maybe some ointment is better.

>

> Judy >>

>

>

 

 

Judy Hou

All Natural Medicine Clinic

4801 Randolph Rd.

Rockville MD 20852

http://anmedicine.com