Positive solutions vs denial vs logic traps vs being proactive or at effect

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--- , " Joan Golston " <jgolston@o...> wrote:

 

> While I lack the scientific

>background to propose studies

>to support Marie's view,

 

Then, I do wonder " why specifically "

you are discounting it?

 

> track. But taking Marie's recent posts as an example of a

>particular style of discourse,

 

So, because you don't like her 'style' you discount ALL the post she

gave and ALL the source materials, and books she gave?

 

That's pretty weird.

 

> I must say they offer me little to go on in trusting her view

> except repetition,

 

So you discounted, in fact you ignored (you DELETED) the book

references she gave?

 

It seems like that is a disbelief (a negative form of belief) on

your part.

 

What do you think?

 

" I don't like 'X' because of her style, so that means what she says

is not valid and therefore anything 'X' says or refers in her

writtings is also non-valid? "

 

That's a pretty BIG CHUNK of deletion, isn't it?

 

....which is fine by me, since it's NOT my mind, nor my reasoning

process.

 

> In contrast, for example, when I read and listen to Fred Gallo,

> Maarten and others,

 

NO.

 

It's not in contrast, but in assumption.

 

And, I really liked both posts, and I can also disagree with both

posts in part.

 

That is not my point.

 

It was NOT about others but about what Maarten and Marie were

communication about a difference in procedures and medical paradigms.

 

Maarten did NOT validate current medical methods (though his

presuppositions were that he does approve of them, or some of them

as most of us probably do).

 

What he did was give examples where current medical methods that are

real NASTY can be made less NASTY by the use of Energy Psychology.

 

Instead of fixing a real NASTY procedure he gave EP as a method for

reducing, eliminating and normalizing the ugly side effects, ie in

chemotherapy.

 

>I hear that the studies are not yet done, but I see that every

>scrap of scholarly and research based data is offered up,

>documented, and accompanied by proper suggestions for further

>research designs.

 

What does that research or lack of research have to do with healing?

 

(Read " Beliefs " by Robert Dilts, for more on this topic, if you

want.)

 

Nothing!

 

....and notice the paradigm TRAP.

 

In fact, when someone waits for the verification of any process

BEFORE they can " think " , or before they can " decide " , or before

they can " take appropiate action " , or before they can make choices

using their own thinking skills and their own intuition, THEN they

are 'stuck' psychologically.

 

Then they are no more than robots waiting for someone else to punch

a script into their mental keyboard before they can even burp.

 

Did you notice that?

 

> done its full duty. But my time is not well spent listening to

>simple table pounding -- and most of all I am sad when I pick up a

>magazine or book that offers to show the error of conventional

>approaches, and turns out to be nothing but editorializing, self-

>reference, anecdotes, smug polemics or single case examples with

>long term results not yet in.

 

This I agree with.

 

So, what is a solution for yourself, and for others of some

intelligence?

 

The entire point of my first post was NOT that Maarten nor Marie

were wrong nor right, but the premise they based their decision

making processes on could be refined in a manner that gave choice

based upon their own information and intuitions.

 

For example, doing anything because someone else tells you to is a

limitation of your own power.

 

We are taught from the crib to pay attention to reality, to obey the

laws of man, to worship books and leaders. While that can help our

society run smoother (actually that isn't working too well either),

that type of follow-the-leader behavior limits YOU.

 

Belief in leaders, rules, and outside authorities limits you from

creating the life, health and abundance you want.

 

So, after you see all the test, read all the verifications and the

books by authorities, you should still have the freedom and the

intelligence to own your own energy and decide for yourself.

 

So, what is the balance point? Where is the balance point between

those philosophies?

 

In our own heads.

 

Enough for now.

 

I've got a client in 13 minutes so I need to go read a chart and do

some planning.

 

John M. La Tourrette

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