Teach Energy Medicine for money is bad

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Hello!

 

Let me help out a bit, for clarification's sake.

 

 

barbara101ann wrote:

 

> , " James R.

>Knippenberg " <erommel@e...> wrote:

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>>When people provide something of value to others, they should be

>>reimbursed for it in some way that is meaningful to them.

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>>Jim

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>I don't know what you mean when you say chunks.

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Pieces of information. You can have large chunks in your soup, or

smaller more bitesize ones. Smaller pieces are more detailed. Larger

ones more general.

 

>And I know that our energies are a gift from God, and we need to be

>taught how to use those energies for the use of healing.

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Quantum mechanical structures then are also a " gift from God " , and we

should be taught about their use.

 

So how should a teacher be given in appreciation for his/her

contribution to Humanity.

 

Note that the people that harvest the food for us do not know personally

if we've done OUR part to deserve that they give us taht food. Nor do

the people who distribute it to us.

 

How do they know we've done our part so that they happily give us the

food we would otherwise have to spend many hours of the day obtaining?

 

Since we do not live in a monastery, the do not know that we have

contributed.

 

In a monastery, if you job is to clean the floors, or cook, or research

in the library,

 

or heal the sick,

 

or teach other people, then you deserved that the people that spent

their day getting the food gave it to you.

 

Now, as proof taht we've done our part, we have money. It is a measure

that we do something of value to society.

 

So a teaching professional gets paid for his/her services, which is the

gift of knowledge,

 

that before people would have to spend a lifetime of sacrifice to learn

less than 1% of what we are taught now;

 

a health professional gets paid for his/her services, the gift of health,

 

that now because of our technologival advances, can do miracles in a

daily basis, (in both medical and energetical models).

 

>God gave us the energies and God gave us people that can help us

>learn how to learn them.

>

>Charging for a gift from God is not religious, and should not be

>done.

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Then allowing salaries for ministers, reverends and clergymen should not

be done? Then you are against the very livelyhood of those taht keep

religions alive?

 

Know that they recieve as payment a salary from a non profit

organization, NOT a donation.

 

If they don't get paid, they leave to another congregation or place

where they can get paid.

 

It's very hard to teach on an empty stomach, a crooked neck (from no

bed) and the need to feed your family.

 

>And I know that in Heaven I will be rewarded. That is all that

>counts.

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To you.

 

Not respecting other people's " views " and " thoughts " of the " realities "

of the world in which we colive in puts you in a position from which you

CANNOT help them directly

 

(exept if you know that their strategies are away froms and want to push

them somewhere, not pull them towards something.)

 

So if that is all that counts to you, then note that you're being

rewarded right now too, not in " Heaven " .

 

Helping other people that way, giving gifts from God for free, makes you

feel good.

 

Like a hobby. You might have some proficiency, even be at Pro-Am level.

And that's ok.

 

Note that to really make a change and a noticeable difference, a

requisite is a large investment of time and money...

 

and to make the most of these resources, in the market of exchange,

effective " business and marketing " models are needed so as to NOT WASTE

your " God given " time with choices that won't yield results.

 

so either you dedicate your " workable " hours to the endeavor and make

healing and changeworks your " career " ...

 

or have other businesses and invest your " workable " hours into something

that feeds you and your family, and have enough money...

 

to have " healing " as a hobby

 

to have a PC

 

to write to a discussion list

 

with love.

 

 

Achieve and Enjoy!

 

Sincerely,

 

Juan M. Mercado

 

 

 

>With love

>Barbara Ann

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>>It is a blessing from heaven and to bring it into the realm of

>>business is not something that I think should be done.

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>>Lovingly

>>Barbara Ann

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> , " Pat Burke "

> <esyoga@c...> wrote:

> I have a proposal in to the Energy Medicine Institute to put

> together some suggested strategies for those who would like to Teach

> Energy Medicine to others, (as opposed to those who are body workers

> etc and offering individualized healing sessions, who are healing

> but not teaching groups).

>

> If you are interested in contributing any of your marketing ideas

> and strategies that would help others, ranging from what space you

> use to how you found a student group, curriculum you have developed

> or use, etc etc I would love to hear from you.

 

You know, I'm not into energy medicine to make money but to heal

people who need healing.

 

I think that a focus on money would be detrimental to the healing

process.

 

It is a blessing from heaven and to bring it into the realm of

business is not something that I think should be done.

 

Lovingly

Barbara Ann

[Guest guest]

Well, electricity is a blessing from heaven, and if it weren't for the $#@(*U#

at the FBI, we would have figured out how to have FREE electricity from Tesla's

notes they confiscated.

 

But does that mean the company who operates the power plant shouldn't get paid

for their work, for the maintenence they do on their equipment, for the workers

who fix the downed power lines?

 

Food is a blessing from heaven, but does that mean the farmer who raises the

livestock and the fruits and the vegetables shouldn't get paid for what they do?

 

Or on an even smaller chunk level, the livestock we eat or get dairy products

from is a blessing from heaven, so does that mean we should not have to " pay "

them with food and water and veterinary care?

 

Computers are a blessing from heaven, but does that mean the computer hardware

and software companies shouldn't be rewarded monetarily for the rapid advances

in technology that they provide?

 

Or on a more personal note, if you do or say something that is helpful to

others, and it is a blessing from heaven, does that mean that everyone else

should be able to just " steal " your stuff and give it to everyone else WITHOUT

giving any credit to you for what you came up with?

 

This does not even take into account the people who are being helped who usually

do not appreciate what they receive UNLESS it costs them something of value to

them. Sort of like the fat cousin in the Harry Potter stories who throws a

tantrum if he didn't get as many presents as he did last year or if someone else

earned something and he didn't get one too.

 

When people provide something of value to others, they should be reimbursed for

it in some way that is meaningful to them.

 

Jim

 

 

 

 

 

barbara101ann <barbara101ann

May 3, 2005 7:02 PM

 

Teach Energy Medicine for money is

bad

 

> , " Pat Burke "

> <esyoga@c...> wrote:

> I have a proposal in to the Energy Medicine Institute to put

> together some suggested strategies for those who would like to Teach

> Energy Medicine to others, (as opposed to those who are body workers

> etc and offering individualized healing sessions, who are healing

> but not teaching groups).

>

> If you are interested in contributing any of your marketing ideas

> and strategies that would help others, ranging from what space you

> use to how you found a student group, curriculum you have developed

> or use, etc etc I would love to hear from you.

 

You know, I'm not into energy medicine to make money but to heal

people who need healing.

 

I think that a focus on money would be detrimental to the healing

process.

 

It is a blessing from heaven and to bring it into the realm of

business is not something that I think should be done.

 

Lovingly

Barbara Ann

[Guest guest]

Group,

 

PLEASE read Barbara101ann's post carefully ...

 

.... for in it you will find THE PUREST form of EVIL.

 

.... AND the " MORALITY " TRAP the MOOCHERS use to

INSTALL GUILT ... to control YOU.

 

It is the " altruism " the MOOCHERS use to justify

STEALING from the USEFUL to create the DEPENDENT CLASS

to control.

 

--- barbara101ann <barbara101ann wrote:

> You know, I'm not into energy medicine to make money

> but to heal people who need healing.

>

> I think that a focus on money would be detrimental

> to the healing process.

>

> It is a blessing from heaven and to bring it into

> the realm of business is not something that I think

> should be done.

>

> Lovingly

> Barbara Ann

 

NOW read one of the GREATEST " Speeches " on MONEY there

is ...

 

This is an excerpt from Francisco d'Anconia's " Money

Speech " from " Atlas Shrugged, " by Ayn Rand.

 

The full " speech " can be found at

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1826 ... or

BETTER YET ... READ the BOOK!

 

" Francisco's Money Speech "

 

" So you think that money is the root of all evil? "

said Francisco d'Anconia. " Have you ever asked what is

the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which

can't exist unless there are goods produced and men

able to produce them. Money is the material shape of

the principle that men who wish to deal with one

another must deal by trade and give value for value.

Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your

product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from

you by force. Money is made possible only by the men

who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

 

" When you accept money in payment for your effort, you

do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it

for the product of the effort of others. It is not the

moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not

an ocean of tears not all the guns in the world can

transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into

the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those

pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a

token of honor--your claim upon the energy of the men

who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope

that somewhere in the world around you there are men

who will not default on that moral principle which is

the root of money, Is this what you consider evil?

 

" Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take

a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself

that it was created by the muscular effort of

unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without

the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover

it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by

means of nothing but physical motions--and you'll

learn that man's mind is the root of all the goods

produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed

on earth.

 

" But you say that money is made by the strong at the

expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is

not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the

product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made

by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those

who did not invent it? Is money made by the

intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able

at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at

the expense of the lazy? Money is made--before it can

be looted or mooched--made by the effort of every

honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An

honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more

than he has produced.'

 

" To trade by means of money is the code of the men of

good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is

the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no

power to prescribe the value of your effort except the

voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade

you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain

for your goods and your labor that which they are

worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money

permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the

unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you

the recognition that men must work for their own

benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not

their loss--the recognition that they are not beasts

of burden, born to carry the weight of your

misery--that you must offer them values, not

wounds--that the common bond among men is not the

exchange of suffering, but the exchange of goods.

Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to

men's stupidity, but your talent to their reason; it

demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer,

but the best that your money can find. And when men

live by trade--with reason, not force, as their final

arbiter--it is the best product that wins, the best

performance, the man of best judgment and highest

ability--and the degree of a man's productiveness is

the degree of his reward. This is the code of

existence whose tool and symbol is money. Is this what

you consider evil?

 

The full " speech " can be found at

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1826 ... or

BETTER YET ... READ the BOOK!

 

--Vince

 

 

Rev. James Vinson Wingo, DD

" The Huna Rebel "

 

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Visit ----> The HUNA STORE Online

http://store.huna-ohana.com

 

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[Guest guest]

, " James R.

Knippenberg " <erommel@e...> wrote:

> When people provide something of value to others, they should be

>reimbursed for it in some way that is meaningful to them.

 

> Jim

 

I don't know what you mean when you say chunks.

 

And I know that our energies are a gift from God, and we need to be

taught how to use those energies for the use of healing.

 

God gave us the energies and God gave us people that can help us

learn how to learn them.

 

Charging for a gift from God is not religious, and should not be

done.

 

And I know that in Heaven I will be rewarded. That is all that

counts.

 

With love

Barbara Ann

 

> It is a blessing from heaven and to bring it into the realm of

> business is not something that I think should be done.

>

> Lovingly

> Barbara Ann

[Guest guest]

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>

> I don't know what you mean when you say chunks.

>

> And I know that our energies are a gift from God, and we need to be

> taught how to use those energies for the use of healing.

>

> God gave us the energies and God gave us people that can help us

> learn how to learn them.

>

> Charging for a gift from God is not religious, and should not be

> done.

>

> And I know that in Heaven I will be rewarded. That is all that

> counts.

>

> With love

> Barbara Ann

 

Book burning, the evil of money, setting fire to Doc... this is a

troll, surely?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

 

If not, I guess I'll see you all in the ring of hell reserved for the

people who charge for helping others, right between the sodomites and

the adulterers, if I remember correctly.

 

Phil

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healingenergies-

essentialskills , " phillipmattingly " <phil@p...>

wrote:

> [ snip ]

> >

> > I don't know what you mean when you say chunks.

> >

> > And I know that our energies are a gift from God, and we need to

be

> > taught how to use those energies for the use of healing.

> >

> > God gave us the energies and God gave us people that can help us

> > learn how to learn them.

> >

> > Charging for a gift from God is not religious, and should not be

> > done.

> >

> > And I know that in Heaven I will be rewarded. That is all that

> > counts.

> >

> > With love

> > Barbara Ann

>

> Book burning, the evil of money, setting fire to Doc... this is a

> troll, surely?

 

I went and read that. It was about fishing. I don't fish. What are

your refering to? Why are you gtting off topic.

 

Barbara Ann

[Guest guest]

>> Book burning, the evil of money, setting fire to Doc... this is a

>> troll, surely?

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I went and read that. It was about fishing. I don't fish. What are

your refering to? Why are you gtting off topic.

 

Barbara Ann

--

ROFLOL!, Barbara, I love your framing. Give 'em hubris:)

 

rusty

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/3/05 10:03:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, barbara101ann writes:

 

You know, I'm not into energy medicine to make money but to heal

people who need healing.

 

I think that a focus on money would be detrimental to the healing

process.

 

It is a blessing from heaven and to bring it into the realm of

business is not something that I think should be done.

 

Lovingly

Barbara Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just got back to my computer and found this comment very strange. I wonder if this same person would expect her medical doctor to not get paid for his/her services, the lab technicians to just perform their "gifts" free of charge, and let the Universe pay THEIR bills? Interesting too, that Barb lavishes the word "love" so liberally, yet having a tone of contempt in her posts. Did she say that Doc should burn someplace, or is that a misread on my part? My, My....such a "Saintly" soul among us.

 

Paulina

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/6/05 4:53:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lwinmorgan writes:

 

Her answers seem gender bent among other things... In other words, this appears to be someone we all know but in drag:)

 

 

So are we just being played by a guy dusguised (figuritively speaking), as a woman? My remote viewing skills aren't quite that developed, so I will take your word for it. Seems "it" got some of us a bit excited, huh? LOL

 

Paulina

[Guest guest]

>I just got back to my computer and found this comment very strange.

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Paulina:

Some people you don't take seriously, even if they take themselves seriously:), which in this case I doubt.

Her answers seem gender bent among other things... In other words, this appears to be someone we all know but in drag:)

 

rusty

 

 

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Pandora51

Friday, May 06, 2005 8:06 AM

Re: Teach Energy Medicine for money is bad

In a message dated 5/3/05 10:03:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, barbara101ann writes:

You know, I'm not into energy medicine to make money but to heal people who need healing.I think that a focus on money would be detrimental to the healing process.It is a blessing from heaven and to bring it into the realm of business is not something that I think should be done.LovinglyBarbara AnnI just got back to my computer and found this comment very strange. I wonder if this same person would expect her medical doctor to not get paid for his/her services, the lab technicians to just perform their "gifts" free of charge, and let the Universe pay THEIR bills? Interesting too, that Barb lavishes the word "love" so liberally, yet having a tone of contempt in her posts. Did she say that Doc should burn someplace, or is that a misread on my part? My, My....such a "Saintly" soul among us.Paulina

[Guest guest]

>So are we just being played by a guy dusguised (figuritively speaking), as a woman?

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Possibly literally, but defintely speaking from other than appears.

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>Seems "it" got some of us a bit excited, huh? LOL

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Some of the very best teachers evoke by provoking:)))

rty

 

 

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Pandora51

Friday, May 06, 2005 2:09 PM

Re: Teach Energy Medicine for money is bad

In a message dated 5/6/05 4:53:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lwinmorgan writes:

Her answers seem gender bent among other things... In other words, this appears to be someone we all know but in drag:) So are we just being played by a guy dusguised (figuritively speaking), as a woman? My remote viewing skills aren't quite that developed, so I will take your word for it. Seems "it" got some of us a bit excited, huh? LOLPaulina

[Guest guest]

, Pandora51@a...

wrote:

> In a message dated 5/6/05 4:53:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> lwinmorgan@s... writes:

 

> > Her answers seem gender bent among other things... In other words,

this > > appears to be someone we all know but in drag:)

 

> So are we just being played by a guy dusguised (figuritively

>speaking), as a woman? My remote viewing skills aren't quite that

>developed, so I will take your word for it. Seems " it " got some of

>us a bit excited, huh? LOL

> Paulina

 

Yes, I'll bet it has to be Cinta in drag.

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " L.Win "

<lwinmorgan@s...> wrote:

> I just got back to my computer and found this comment very

>strange. I wonder if this same person would expect her medical

>doctor to not get paid for his/her services, the lab technicians to

>just perform their " gifts " free of charge, and let the Universe pay

>THEIR bills?

 

Actually Paulina, the credit report on preachers do PROVE THE ABOVE

CONCEPT.

 

Preachers are among the WORST credit risks.

 

>Interesting too, that Barb lavishes the word " love " so liberally,

>yet having a tone of contempt in her posts. Did she say that Doc

>should burn someplace, or is that a misread on my part? My,

>My....such a " Saintly " soul among us.

 

This is also par for the course.

 

Notice that when I was being attacked on ce that the ones always

doing the attacking seemed to end their posts with the same " love "

expressions.

 

I figured they'ed be here sooner or later, which is fine by me.

 

We can always use more " wang " in our wang stew.

 

This list is a very ACTIVE list.

 

You guys and gals are awesome.

 

Sincerely,

 

> Paulina