Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Hi, Been reading the very interesting threads here about Ayn Rand, the usages for money, etc and have to say what a great group this is! Glad to be associated. Now, I'm going to head over to Amazon.com to place an order. Any ideas on which Ayn Rand book to start with? She sounds like a great read! Thanks, Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 > > Since there is interest did you know this year is the 100th anniversary > of the birth of Alissa Rosenbaum? Born February 2, 1905 in St Petersburg to a > > shopkeeper chemist father who had government sieze everything they owned > forthe good of communism. She somehow made it out of Russia to > America in 1926 with the message from those living in that total statism which now > > creeps over this nation: " If they ask you, in America---tell them that > > Russia is a huge cemetery and that we are all dying slowly. " So she wrote > > We the Living and sent it to H. L. Mencken who she called " the greatest > > representative of a philosophy to whcih I want to dedicate my whole life. > > ...I have always regarded you as the foremost champion of individualism in > > this country.... " Then she wrote him, " Perhaps it may seem a lost cause at > > present, and there are those who will say that I am too late, that I can > > only hope to be the last fighter for a mode of thinking which has no place > > in the future. But I do not think so. I intend to be the first one in a > > new battle which the world needs as it has never needed before. " > > She did it and said about it later, " We want to provide a spiritual, > > ethical, philosophical, groundwork for the belief in the system of private > > enterprise " She included reasons for the belief.. She saw herself as a > " radical for capitalism. " > > Her major two books are a marvel of using fiction with characters living > out the struggle of ideas she promoted. Pushed to describe her philosophy she > > stood on one foot and said, " Metaphysics: Objective reality. > Epistemology:reason. Ethics: self-interest. Politics: capitalism. " John Galt filled > in the details and showed where we went wrong at great length. > > As she said to us I say back to her now, " Yours is the glory. " > > Do you see how my liking her might also make this list an attractive place for an > > old cynic to want to spend time? It is fun to to be with people helping people learn about > helping yourself! > > By the way isn't it in Matthew where Jesus casually acknowledges the existence of past lives. Was He a heathen also? Blessings of Light and Love > > Loren Schwenk > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Any ideas > on which Ayn Rand book to start with? - Atlas Shrugged. It's her best IMO. rusty - " darthon4 " <darthon4 Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:26 PM Ayn Rand > Hi, > > Been reading the very interesting threads here about Ayn Rand, the > usages for money, etc and have to say what a great group this is! Glad > to be associated. > > Now, I'm going to head over to Amazon.com to place an order. Any ideas > on which Ayn Rand book to start with? She sounds like a great read! > > Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 More on Ayn Rand from a fan of her. Her first major success in a novel was the 1943, Fountainhead where she made the points of her philosophy that we should believe in free enterprise and fight for it. Rand' realized the enemies of individual liberty were not just open advocates of tyranny but those who picked away at individual greatness. That evil is inherently powerless and wins only if potentially good people do not oppose it. Next and last, Atlas Shrugged presents the synthesis of her philosophy and its concretness leading to wealth, grand achievement, brotherhood, and peace, while her opponents find failure, rot, corruption, self-hate, corruption and societal destruction. It has a wild careening plot. It is my favorite by her. We The Living is a darker work. Christianity (organized)on the other hand (as opposed to what Jesus taught) from the time in 325 when the Roman Emperor made it legal sought to destroy all competition by means most foul and by the seventh century had destroyed most learning/literacy and weakened the Roman Empire so badly the upstart Islam had little difficulty in nearly destroying it. Islam took about 3/4ths of Christianities possessions and followers. Islam was actually a product of the oppressiveness of Catholicism and the prophesies that never came to pass like a victorious God arriving to judge after a second coming that never came; celebacy and poverty while a wealthy priest-state destroyed anyone who wanted to remember the ethics of Jesus and teach from reason. Today's Christianity is benign by comparison and its followers are otherwise usually sane if blind in the area of self examination or willingness to learn from their own past. But it is interseting to note the most viscious enemy we face in this world today was created by letting orthodox Christianity become in charge of the state. Blessings of Light and Love, Loren - darthon4 <darthon4 Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:26 PM Ayn Rand > Hi, > > Been reading the very interesting threads here about Ayn Rand, the > usages for money, etc and have to say what a great group this is! Glad > to be associated. > > Now, I'm going to head over to Amazon.com to place an order. Any ideas > on which Ayn Rand book to start with? She sounds like a great read! > > Thanks, > > Lori > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 " The Virtue of Selfishness " is a great one to start with. I think " For the New Intellectual " is the " Reader's Digest " of Ayn Rand ... selections from books covering the main points of Objectivism. I'm not near my library, but I'm sure Doc or Fred can correct me if I'm wrong. --Vince --- darthon4 <darthon4 wrote: > Hi, > > Been reading the very interesting threads here about > Ayn Rand, the > usages for money, etc and have to say what a great > group this is! Glad > to be associated. > > Now, I'm going to head over to Amazon.com to place > an order. Any ideas > on which Ayn Rand book to start with? She sounds > like a great read! > > Thanks, > > Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Hey Loren, great post. If you can find it, would you mind posting Scripture reference to the past lives bit? I'm looking for it and I think I'm somehow reading past it. Thanks a bunch! S'velikom ljubavom, Chedo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 " Atlas Shrugged " is very popular. How many chapters will it take smart folks to get it's message? Will you then need a thousand pages of reinforcement? Best Wishes, James -- " Be excellent to each other " , Bill & Ted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Here's a book list: http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=objectivism_fiction Nathaniel Branden, the writer and psychologist, was her lover and continued her work... Helen On May 4, 2005, at 8:32 PM, Rev. James Vinson Wingo, DD wrote: > " The Virtue of Selfishness " is a great one to start > with. I think " For the New Intellectual " is the > " Reader's Digest " of Ayn Rand ... selections from > books covering the main points of Objectivism. > > I'm not near my library, but I'm sure Doc or Fred can > correct me if I'm wrong. > > --Vince > > --- darthon4 <darthon4 wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Been reading the very interesting threads here about >> Ayn Rand, the >> usages for money, etc and have to say what a great >> group this is! Glad >> to be associated. >> >> Now, I'm going to head over to Amazon.com to place >> an order. Any ideas >> on which Ayn Rand book to start with? She sounds >> like a great read! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 > How many chapters will it take smart folks to get it's message? -- How many chapter's did it take you, James, to find out who was John Galt? rusty - <gavilancomun Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:10 AM Re: Ayn Rand > " Atlas Shrugged " is very popular. > > How many chapters will it take smart folks to get it's message? > > Will you then need a thousand pages of reinforcement? > > Best Wishes, > James > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Hi, and my thanks to everyone for all the great Ayn Rand reading suggestions! Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 > Hi, and my thanks to everyone for all the great Ayn Rand reading > suggestions! > > Lori - Lori: Here is a good starting point for Rand's stuff and other's perspectives before you sit down to the hours of reading you've just commited yourself to. With an author such as Rand, It won't hurt to read the PRE judgements because whatever filter with which you approach her work, it'll stand on it's own as A+ literature. The foreshadowing techniques she uses are brilliant. Here's a teaser of what you'll find surfing this stite: " No less a body than the Library of Congress conducted a study a number of years ago & found that Atlas Shrugged was second only to the Bible in terms of the number of people greatly influenced by it. " http://www.noblesoul.com/orc/books/rand/atlas/ And a special thanks to " Barbara Ann " for sliding in this topic:) rusty - " darthon4 " <darthon4 Friday, May 06, 2005 2:52 AM Re: Ayn Rand > Hi, and my thanks to everyone for all the great Ayn Rand reading > suggestions! > > > Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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