Teachers & PARENTS are people with holes in their shoes!

[Guest guest]

--- , " Madeleine " <bar.tod@v...> wrote:

> I just want to make a quick comment about teachers. I've

>homeschooled my children from the beginning, because I find our

>entire educational system to be bizarre and destructive.

 

Well, I don't think the public school system is either bizarre nor

destructive.

 

I just think that much more can be done by the parent so they can

lead their own children in the directions they want them to be lead.

 

This presupposes that the PARENT has some damn brains and some

values and some education in the areas he wants his children to

excel in.

 

Then he must be smart enough to see/'notice where the child wants to

go, what he has a desire to learn, what he has born skills in...

 

I've been a credentilized and certified school teacher for 32

years...and my kids all went through the school system...and they

were taught to study OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM,

other " things " reinforced by me and Lynn(wife)...

 

My wife has also been a school teacher for 32 years, and LOVES IT!

 

She also cannot stand many of the teachers and their lack of values.

 

She also is challenged by the lack of brains in many of the parents,

the lack of educational skills, the lack of values and positive

propulsion systems, PARENTS who just don't have a clue to what

education consists of, and must be taught according to the state

requirements.

 

She has also made " teacher of the year " in Idaho, in Colorado, and

back here in Oregon. She is rather well respected in that field.

 

Many people have holes in their shoes.

 

>But I don't >think it's fair to blame teachers.

 

Teachers were NOT blamed. When you point to the ant crawling across

your kitchen floor, it is NOT the ant's fault. Someone BESIDES THE

ANT left the kitchen dirty so the ant would be attracted.

 

>home schooling?

 

One of my clients, Dr. Fred (who is also on this list) is a tutor

for those that want home-schooling.

 

Does he have stories to tell!

 

(Dr. Fred has been a client of mine for about 15 years, on and off.)

 

Most parents, because of their LACK OF SKILLS in the teaching arena,

do a very poor job of teaching BEYOND " lip service " .

 

So, Dr. Fred gets the kids that the parents are lucky enough to

notice that they need someone to help them to do a better job.

 

He then teaches the children certain skills towards specific

directions AFTER he and the parents council about where the children

should receive the most benificial training...

 

One of my other good friends home-schooled all of his 4 children. He

was a divorced father.

 

His daughter left him when she was 15, moved back in with her

mother, restarted going to public school, and went on to graduate

from college with a degree in Nursing.

 

Son #1 is in jail for drug selling and drug abuse...

 

Son #2 works as a short-order cook at a HAMBURGER STAND, when he's

clean enough to go to work...

 

Son #3 left the area 7 years ago and has not been seen nor heard

from since.

 

We all have shoes with holes in them.

 

My son is 21, and a Junior at college. Doing very well.

 

I still train him 5 days a week, 3-4 hours a day. He learns

business, he learns self-confidence, he learns the skills (like

energy medicine, NLP, Kung-fu, copywriting, blab, blab, blab,) that

I am highly qualified to teach him.

 

I also pay him a wage for services rendered.

 

OH!

 

Mentoring?

 

Lots of things that make up a teacher.

 

 

Teachers & PARENTS are people with holes in their shoes!

[Guest guest]

Both of my parents are very intelligent and educated people, but

there is no way that having them teach me would have worked! Let's

just say that it would have been like learning under a very strict

and intimidating dictatorship. But that's MY parents. I also doubt

they would have been able to teach me, with any fluency, the

different languages I learned, computer programming.....you get the

idea. Sorry Mom and Dad, I love you, but the public school system

was a much better place to learn. It wasn't always perfect but it

was certainly a more open and worldly learning environment with

exposure to other ideas from other people.

 

What our parents did do was teach us the values in learning, and

inspired in us the desire to learn by their own example. Three of

the four of us kids were on the honor roll taking the Regents level

classes in highschool. Don't know how other states are but New York

had statewide Regents level examinations for those who planned to go

to college, so in highschool you could elect to take the regents

level classes each year which were more challenging than the general

school system classes. But the majority of students chose to take

the general level classes because the general classes

were " easier " . This was actually great for us who were taking the

Regents level classes because the regents level classes usually only

had a dozen students rather than 30 or 35. I also had some very

outstanding teachers who were very good mentors and who left great

impressions on me. So you CAN (or maybe could at one time) get a

very good education in public school. It's been awhile for me so

don't know how it is now.

 

Public schools also have their little problems, like the time my

sister, who was in the 5th grade was sent home from school with a

note from her teacher for something " bad " she had done in class that

day. My father was furious. But it wasn't my sister he was furious

with, it was the teacher! The note the teacher had written was

riddled with poor grammar and misspelled words! (I admit I'm not

perfect in that regard mainly because I get sloppy if I'm in a

hurry). Anyway, my father took it to the school principal and showed

him the note and the principal was also appalled. He put the teacher

on probation and sent her off for remedial training. So it helps if

parents take action and make a stand for what they expect from the

teachers who are teaching their children. I just wonder how many

parents would have bothered to do what my father did that day.

 

My three cents worth anyway.

 

Thanks,

 

Lori

 

healingenergies-

essentialskills , " docspeed2001 " <docspeed2001>

wrote:

> --- , " Madeleine " <bar.tod@v...> wrote:

> > I just want to make a quick comment about teachers. I've

> >homeschooled my children from the beginning, because I find our

> >entire educational system to be bizarre and destructive.

>

> Well, I don't think the public school system is either bizarre nor

> destructive.

>

> I just think that much more can be done by the parent so they can

> lead their own children in the directions they want them to be lead.

>

> This presupposes that the PARENT has some damn brains and some

> values and some education in the areas he wants his children to

> excel in.

>

> Then he must be smart enough to see/'notice where the child wants

to

> go, what he has a desire to learn, what he has born skills in...

>

> I've been a credentilized and certified school teacher for 32

> years...and my kids all went through the school system...and they

> were taught to study OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM,

> other " things " reinforced by me and Lynn(wife)...

>

> My wife has also been a school teacher for 32 years, and LOVES IT!

>

> She also cannot stand many of the teachers and their lack of values.

>

> She also is challenged by the lack of brains in many of the

parents,

> the lack of educational skills, the lack of values and positive

> propulsion systems, PARENTS who just don't have a clue to what

> education consists of, and must be taught according to the state

> requirements.

>

> She has also made " teacher of the year " in Idaho, in Colorado, and

> back here in Oregon. She is rather well respected in that field.

>

> Many people have holes in their shoes.

>

> >But I don't >think it's fair to blame teachers.

>

> Teachers were NOT blamed. When you point to the ant crawling across

> your kitchen floor, it is NOT the ant's fault. Someone BESIDES THE

> ANT left the kitchen dirty so the ant would be attracted.

>

> >home schooling?

>

> One of my clients, Dr. Fred (who is also on this list) is a tutor

> for those that want home-schooling.

>

> Does he have stories to tell!

>

> (Dr. Fred has been a client of mine for about 15 years, on and off.)

>

> Most parents, because of their LACK OF SKILLS in the teaching

arena,

> do a very poor job of teaching BEYOND " lip service " .

>

> So, Dr. Fred gets the kids that the parents are lucky enough to

> notice that they need someone to help them to do a better job.

>

> He then teaches the children certain skills towards specific

> directions AFTER he and the parents council about where the

children

> should receive the most benificial training...

>

> One of my other good friends home-schooled all of his 4 children.

He

> was a divorced father.

>

> His daughter left him when she was 15, moved back in with her

> mother, restarted going to public school, and went on to graduate

> from college with a degree in Nursing.

>

> Son #1 is in jail for drug selling and drug abuse...

>

> Son #2 works as a short-order cook at a HAMBURGER STAND, when he's

> clean enough to go to work...

>

> Son #3 left the area 7 years ago and has not been seen nor heard

> from since.

>

> We all have shoes with holes in them.

>

> My son is 21, and a Junior at college. Doing very well.

>

> I still train him 5 days a week, 3-4 hours a day. He learns

> business, he learns self-confidence, he learns the skills (like

> energy medicine, NLP, Kung-fu, copywriting, blab, blab, blab,) that

> I am highly qualified to teach him.

>

> I also pay him a wage for services rendered.

>

> OH!

>

> Mentoring?

>

> Lots of things that make up a teacher.

>

>

> Teachers & PARENTS are people with holes in their shoes!

[Guest guest]

, " darthon4 "

<darthon4> wrote:

> Both of my parents are very intelligent and educated people,

 

No wonder you are so smart. It must be the genes.

 

> there is no way that having them teach me would have worked!

 

Actually it did work.

 

Avoidance is a great tool of learning.

 

> just say that it would have been like learning under a very strict

> and intimidating dictatorship. But that's MY parents.

 

So, if karma did exist, then karmically, why did you choose those

parents?

 

For me...

 

Pain was my discipline. First broken nose at 7, from a loving

parent...

 

A " leather belt " conditioning technology, and many many whomps, but

never towards what we were supposed to do, but only about what we'd

done that they, in their supreme wisdom " decided " we were NOT to do.

 

Burned by a hot iron once, on purpose...lots of those fun

stories that I've mostly deleted, until a post like this comes

up...

 

....ran away from home when I was 8 in avoidance of more pain, blab,

blab, blab...

 

....very interesting in a way...

 

....I became a real trusting person...

 

....Maybe that's the reason I got into the martial arts in

1950...self protection.

 

So, if karma did exist, then karmically, why did I choose those

parents?

 

This type of questioning can get real interesting, especially if the

MAGIC QUESTIONS are used and the DEMON QUESTIONS not used.

 

I also doubt

> they would have been able to teach me, with any fluency, the

> different languages I learned, computer programming.....you get

>the idea. Sorry Mom and Dad, I love you, but the public school

>system was a much better place to learn.

 

And, my point is, I bet they knew that. They were smart.

 

And they just didn't want to be bothered. Good for them. Good for

you.

 

> What our parents did do was teach us the values in learning, and

> inspired in us the desire to learn by their own example. Three of

> the four of us kids were on the honor roll taking the Regents

>level classes in highschool.

 

My point exactly.

 

> parents take action and make a stand for what they expect from the

> teachers who are teaching their children. I just wonder how many

> parents would have bothered to do what my father did that day.

 

I did, twice.

 

Both times the teacher's heads were rolling in the aisle.

 

....and the principle (different ones in each case)was about ready

to shit bricks.

 

I'm not real huggy feely when I'm pissed off with righteous

indignation, and I've got to put up with real stupid people

attempting to fuck up my children.

 

And appropiate action and VERY QUICK ACTION was taken on their part

for the solving of the problem, THE PROBLEM that their idiot teacher

accidently and hypnotically installed.

 

Actually, in one of the cases, I'm pretty DAMN SURE the bitch did

it'on purpose for her own sick reasons. She's no longer with the

public school systems.

 

On another note, I didn't have any children until AFTER I was very

well educated, and already very successful business wise...

 

I was 37 when the first child came...which is a real blessing

because if I'd had them around the age of 20-30, I would probably

have treated them as I was treated.

 

It wasn't until I was taking a post-gratuate marketing class did I

realize that I was the one of the ones the psychology books were

talking about. Getto mentality, rules and structure.

 

That realization was A real mind expander!

 

Thanks Lori,

 

Ps. There are many good teachers. And there is always at least one

rotten apple in the apple barrel. You get rid of them like you cut

out Cancer. And you get rid of them real fast.

 

> My three cents worth anyway.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Lori

[Guest guest]

Well maybe not that smart, still have so many to learn!...I don't

really know why I chose my parents..yet. So how do I phrase that

question again? " If I were to find out why I chose my parents, how

would I do that? " ??? It's interesting to think about. Why did they

choose me would be a valid question too.

 

I haven't concluded if there is such a thing as karma yet. But when

you think about it, in the physical universe it's logical that there

is a balance of action with reaction. It's when you start talking

about the non-physical part of the universe that it gets fuzzy. But

then there is also the concept of " as above so below " , so maybe there

is a similar law at work in the non-pyhsical as well...Still thinking

about this one.

 

Yep, I can relate somewhat to the ghetto mentality, I got into

martial arts back in highschool probably for similar reasons. I later

shifted toward Qigong because of chronic pain I was having from an

injury, and became " hooked " on it when I found out what I could do

with it, the relief I found, no pain pills required. Also am finding

out there is so much more that can be done with Qi. That's why I like

Energy medicine so much too.

 

Thanks Doc

 

Lori