Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 , " tbm36m " <tbm36m> wrote: > I think Donna's hook up or zip up traces the central but I don't read > much about keeping the tongue up except from Chia and others like > Morris, who connect yang/yin channels to circulate energy. Actually Donna also has the tongue touch the alveolar ridge when breathing in... ....as done Huna with their Ha Breath Rite. ....and that's also how I have Remote Viewing students learn how to breath for going into states of deep relaxation. A common thread in the mind sciences. In throught the nose, and out through the mouth. In Yoga, there are many many different types of breath control... ....also many in Pranic healing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Doc, I found a post in the mindmastery archives detailing a drill called " oxygenation of the Abdomen " and was wondering if it would be suited to releasing tension and promoting deeper breathing. I often find when I alter the rhythm and depth of my breathing I have a hard time relaxing my stomach and chest. Oftentimes instead of the breathing relaxing and taking me deeper it does the opposite, as I feel the need to force the breath. I don't have any problems with asthma by the way. If there's other techniques you would reccomend for this situation please let me know. Thanks, Matt > > Actually Donna also has the tongue touch the alveolar ridge when > breathing in... > > ...as done Huna with their Ha Breath Rite. > > ...and that's also how I have Remote Viewing students learn how to > breath for going into states of deep relaxation. > > A common thread in the mind sciences. > > In throught the nose, and out through the mouth. > > In Yoga, there are many many different types of breath control... > > ...also many in Pranic healing... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 I >often find when > I alter the rhythm and depth of my breathing I have a hard time > relaxing my stomach and chest. - Matt: In abdominal breathing you press outward with the diaphram and relax the waist, don't use chest muscles to lift the chest. Instead you should sink the chest and straighten the back of the neck slightly and pull the chin in slightly. Breathe out twice and long as you breathe in. Image breathing down to your heels, and the lungs will fill by themselves. rusty - " matt_tremblay03 " <matt_tremblay03 Monday, May 16, 2005 3:56 PM Re: A BREATHING Secret of the Masters! > Doc, > > I found a post in the mindmastery archives detailing a drill called > " oxygenation of the Abdomen " and was wondering if it would be suited > to releasing tension and promoting deeper breathing. I often find when > I alter the rhythm and depth of my breathing I have a hard time > relaxing my stomach and chest. Oftentimes instead of the breathing > relaxing and taking me deeper it does the opposite, as I feel the need > to force the breath. I don't have any problems with asthma by the way. > > If there's other techniques you would reccomend for this situation > please let me know. > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > > Actually Donna also has the tongue touch the alveolar ridge when > > breathing in... > > > > ...as done Huna with their Ha Breath Rite. > > > > ...and that's also how I have Remote Viewing students learn how to > > breath for going into states of deep relaxation. > > > > A common thread in the mind sciences. > > > > In throught the nose, and out through the mouth. > > > > In Yoga, there are many many different types of breath control... > > > > ...also many in Pranic healing... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Thanks Rusty! I tried it for a few minutes and I think I have a good idea how to do it now. I still have a question though to make sure I'm doing it correctly. 1) On the out-breath, should I push back the opposite way (ie. push/suck the diaphrahm in?) I notice I can either relax and let the breath just flow out, or let it flow out AND suck the belly in a ways. By doing this drill constantly is it possible to adopt this as your normal/subconcscious breathing habit? Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 > 1) On the out-breath, should I push back the opposite way (ie. > push/suck the diaphrahm in?) I notice I can either relax and let the > breath just flow out, or let it flow out AND suck the belly in a ways. - The design of the body is for the elastic of the lungs to let the air out. Try this: Empty your lungs part way, and then make a good vowel sound using the muscles in your diaphram to force out the air and remember the sound you make and how you feel. Then take a couple of breaths and Fill your lungs full of air by pushing out on your diaphram and then on the exhale let the elastic of you lungs push the air out as you make the same sound. Waadaya think? > By doing this drill constantly is it possible to adopt this as your > normal/subconcscious breathing habit? - To make it your default, the beaten path, tread on it lots. Don't force it and don't forget it. Be mindful always and it will become part of you. rusty " matt_tremblay03 " <matt_tremblay03 Monday, May 16, 2005 6:58 PM Re: A BREATHING Secret of the Masters! > Thanks Rusty! I tried it for a few minutes and I think I have a good > idea how to do it now. I still have a question though to make sure I'm > doing it correctly. > > 1) On the out-breath, should I push back the opposite way (ie. > push/suck the diaphrahm in?) I notice I can either relax and let the > breath just flow out, or let it flow out AND suck the belly in a ways. > > By doing this drill constantly is it possible to adopt this as your > normal/subconcscious breathing habit? > > Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 healingenergies- essentialskills , " matt_tremblay03 " <matt_tremblay03> wrote: > Thanks Rusty! I tried it for a few minutes and I think I have a good > idea how to do it now. Practice my dear sir, practice. I think I've gone over this method and about 5 more advanced breathing methods on my " Kahuna Mana drills for Vital Force " , 5 video set, which I release awhile back... You get it visually, and audio as you " do it with the videos " ... A great way to take a class a save a whopping load of money! Sincerely, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 - > On the out-breath, should I push back the opposite way (ie. push/suck the > diaphrahm in?) I notice I can either relax and let the breath just flow out, > or let it flow out AND suck the belly in a ways. Quietly watch a baby sleeping on its back. You'll notice the correct breathing motion. Breathe in with the stomach (the stomach expands). Breathe out with the stomach (the stomach contracts). For some reason (probably stress), in our Western world, as adults we learn to breathe with our chests instead. > By doing this drill constantly is it possible to adopt this as your > normal/subconcscious breathing habit? Absolutely. It's the natural way to breathe. You'll simply undo the incorrect learning you have now. Blessings, Paddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 There's a trap that I fell into, and that my teacher has seen elsewhere round the UK. Some people focus too much on the abdominal aspect, they end up neglecting or freezing the upper chest. Rusty's and Paddy's advice is good. Best Wishes, James -- " Be excellent to each other " , Bill & Ted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 , " Paddy Landau " <coach@p...> wrote: > Quietly watch a baby sleeping on its back. You'll notice the correct > breathing motion. Paddy, I just HAD TO respond to this... You said, " you'll notice 'the' correct breathing motion " ... ....which just aint' true... .... " you'll notice a 'relaxed' breathing method " , would be a much better statement. ....taking into account the " purpose of the breathing " ... ....which in the baby's case is (among other reasons) " recharging of the vital forces " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 , gavilancomun wrote: > > There's a trap that I fell into, and that my teacher has seen elsewhere > round the UK. > > Some people focus too much on the abdominal aspect, they end up > neglecting or freezing the upper chest. That just means they are NOT moving. Once you start moving, then the proper physiology kicks into gear. Bamboo breathing! is one of the focusing Master Keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 - > ... " you'll notice a 'relaxed' breathing method " , would be a much better > statement. > ...taking into account the " purpose of the breathing " ... > ...which in the baby's case is (among other reasons) " recharging of the > vital forces " . Excellent point. Thanks for the correction, Doc. Blessings, Paddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 , " docspeed2001 " <docspeed2001> wrote: > , > gavilancomun wrote: > > > > There's a trap that I fell into, and that my teacher has seen > elsewhere > > round the UK. > > > > Some people focus too much on the abdominal aspect, they end up > > neglecting or freezing the upper chest. > > That just means they are NOT moving. What do you mean by 'moving'? Like walking around movement, or mental movement like focusing on something else other than the breathing? So is this drill suitable for doing while at level? I will be getting those videos fairly soon btw, but don't have the money for it at the moment. Thanks, Matt > Once you start moving, then the proper physiology kicks into gear. > > Bamboo breathing! is one of the focusing Master Keys. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 In using Progressive Relaxation, we used to teach that the diaphragm was the only muscle in the body that naturally relaxed. Whenever you exhale, it relaxes. Now, we've complicated that a bit what with being uptight and stressed, but if you pay attention to the motion of the diaphragm, it also may give you a sensation (K) of tight on inhale and loose on exhale. Once you notice that feeling, and image it, and hear it in the breath sounds, etc., it may add one more layer to getting that breathing pattern easy and natural again. BTW, the tongue is a muscle that almost never relaxes. Some people get weirded out if they let it relax totally. It almost feels disembodied to them. Sue www.coachdrgridley.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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