Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Michael and ALL, Although Eckhart Tolle understands much about enlightenment and the power of now. I prefer someone who understands much about enlightenment and is extremely well versed in the model that understands VAK and therefore can talk directly from that model, where Tolle barely touches the model. According to Stocking in " Thinking Clearly " page 89 -91 People in the United States pay the least conscious attention to their kinesthetic file. To our conscious focus, the kinesthetic file appears to be the slowest of the three files when in fact, it is the fastest: it coordinates all the movements and sensations in our bodies faster than we can possible focus consciousness on them. Consciousness is equipped to dwell on past events and ponder about the future, but it is less than adequate for maintaining its focus on the present. The present only takes place now and when you are comparing now to then you are not present. The appearance of slow processing of physical sensations is a limitation of consciousness rather than a limitation of the kinesthetic file. The kinesthetic file is so fast that it can feel, taste and smell everything in the present. Comparatively, the visual and auditory files are slow since they must access past representations in order to operate Our system of language would not exist if people did not remember the meaning of its symbols and words. Our system for tasting, smelling and feeling functions when we are in the present experiencing them. You only need to be present to taste a banana; you need to dip into your stored auditory file to remember the label or name, banana. (You must dip into your Visual file to recall a picture of a banana.) The kinesthetic file is one of creation. It creates without reference to the past or the future. I recommend practicing getting in touch with your kinesthetic file. The feeling file is the key to living in the present. It is the only one of the three files that is always, or in fact ever, in the present. It is no accident that your eyes and ears are small antennas for picking up data from the outside world. Your kinesthetic file uses the entire network of your nervous system and your whole body as an antenna to soak in physical sensations, smells and taste. It is the most important file, yet it is the one most neglected by consciousness. Your visual and auditory files are based on future expectations and past history, and for them, what we call present is either future or past. While the Kinesthetic file may have stored habitual behaviors, it does not contain stored physical sensations. Remembering what it feels like to swim in a clear spring-fed lake is not the same as feeling the wetness surrounding your body when you are actually swimming. Eating chocolate ice cream is not the same as remembering eating chocolate ice cream. Physical sensations can only be experienced in the present. Utilize Everything, Dr. Houston (Doc Results) Vetter As Uncle Jerry told MY Grampa Vetter, " Thinking is the illusion that illusion is not illusion while awareness is the perception of illusion as nothing because awareness is now. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Houston, > > Although Eckhart Tolle understands much about enlightenment and the power > of now. I prefer someone who understands much about enlightenment and is > extremely well versed in the model that understands VAK and therefore can > talk directly from that model, where Tolle barely touches the model. > > According to Stocking in " Thinking Clearly " page 89 -91 Thanks for the reference, I'll pick up the book and have a read... Given that I have no idea what he is actually talking about here (specifically with the word 'file') reading the excerpt, I get a sense his reasoning is flawed, specifically this part: > The kinesthetic file is so fast that it can feel, taste and smell > everything in the present. Comparatively, the visual and auditory files are > slow since they must access past representations in order to operate. I require no language to hear a car horn. I need language to say " that's a car horn. " I require no language to see a banana. I require language to say " that's a banana. " I require no language to feel sad. I require language to say " I'm sad. " And if anything 'feeling sad', like most (if not all emotion) is so intertwined with language it's difficult to untangle, because how do you know sad is not happy? Probably because your mother said so... Have you read Bostic St Clair and Grinder's " Whispering in the wind " ? It contains specific details on how your brain, senses and language work (or not) together. In there are drills to clean these systems, and separate your senses from language. How does Whispering relate to 'Thinking Clearly'? Enjoy, Michael. www.toach.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 In a message dated 5/23/05 3:32:32 AM, docresults writes: While the Kinesthetic file may have stored habitual behaviors, it does not contain stored physical sensations. Some random thoughts-- I think what you call Kinesthetic may be overlapping with Proprioception. People who are kinesthetic dominant crave physical sensation, whether fighting, having sex, exercising. Proprioception is, IMHO, the sense of that automatic yet detached kinesthetic event that makes you land the perfect punch or hit the perfect tennis shot by letting go....Sue www.coachdrgridley.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Sue, Nice way to take one line out of context. I wasn't taking anywhere about K dominant. I was talking about balance of all the basic programs of VAK. I was not going meta to that. It is not an over lap in the context that was being discussed. What you seem to be calling proprioception is what is called being in the zone in sports it is an external visual with kinesthetic response. To your Best, Dr. Houston Vetter http://www.achieve-your-potential.com (I have some new free stuff on the site.) At 04:47 PM 6/11/2005, you wrote: In a message dated 5/23/05 3:32:32 AM, docresults writes: While the Kinesthetic file may have stored habitual behaviors, it does not contain stored physical sensations. Some random thoughts-- I think what you call Kinesthetic may be overlapping with Proprioception. People who are kinesthetic dominant crave physical sensation, whether fighting, having sex, exercising. Proprioception is, IMHO, the sense of that automatic yet detached kinesthetic event that makes you land the perfect punch or hit the perfect tennis shot by letting go....Sue www.coachdrgridley.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Strictly speaking, proprioception is the function that allows us, through neurosensory feedback, to know where our body is in space. It is that ability, for example, which allows me to know that my arm is straight and stretched above my head without looking at it. - coachdrgridley Saturday, June 11, 2005 11:47 PM Re: Kinesthetics and the present... In a message dated 5/23/05 3:32:32 AM, docresults writes: While the Kinesthetic file may have stored habitual behaviors, it does not contain stored physical sensations.Some random thoughts--I think what you call Kinesthetic may be overlapping with Proprioception. People whoare kinesthetic dominant crave physical sensation, whether fighting, having sex,exercising. Proprioception is, IMHO, the sense of that automatic yet detachedkinesthetic event that makes you land the perfect punch or hit the perfect tennisshot by letting go....Suewww.coachdrgridley.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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