VALUE of anything is NEVER UNDERSTOOD by the general nerd/client

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healingenergies-

essentialskills , " rhyanamarie " <rhyanamarie>

wrote:

 

> So, now on to another topic.. this should

> get some interesting remarks I'm thinking...

 

> " She said, as soon as she handed you

> money that last evening, she could

> feel the healing stop. "

 

Ask her, " wow, is that what happens when you drive up to Burger

King, and you hand the money to the counter person...the hunger

stops? "

 

If she's wearing a rolex, " Wow, is that what happened when you got

the Rolex...once you paid for it you no longer wanted to wear it? "

 

And, just stand there with a big smile of curiosity on your face.

 

Also, notice the presuppositions in the above situation...

 

Group, give me some of the presuppositions so we can help her learn

a bit from this.

 

> This comes from someone in a group

> I was facilitating for Women and

> Issues that Women face. I was

> (notice the past tense) meeting with

> a group of women one night a week

> for two hours at a time.

 

Okay, one night a week is pretty hard to do to keep them motivated.

You need 2 nights MINIMUM, and you need a STRUCTURED program that

they can see an end to, ie, 6 weeks, and they get XYZ Certification.

 

Back to Pavlov, Stimulus, response and reward...

 

> We were

> using EFT and Donna Eden's

> Energy Medicine to work through various

> issues. I provided a meeting place,

> handouts, and lead them through the

> routines that we were learning.

> I was asking that each person

> pay $10.00 a week to participate.

 

You don't ask that they pay $10 a week.

 

What you do is what I stated about 3 weeks ago.

 

There was a 3 part strategy.

 

> Most paid at least a few times, some

> never paid, and most had comments like

> the one above or something very similar.

> If they said anything at all before they

> quit attending.

 

Please take the following in the gentle way I mean it, okay?;-)

 

If they, ANY OF THEM, had comments like the above, then it is YOUR

FAULT!

 

Somehow you missed installing the, " what's-in-it-for me " , into them

in a convincing manner so that they felt THEY WOULD BENEFIT in very

important ways...

 

In ways that paying $10 bucks for a canteen of cold water would be

important to a man dying of thirst!

 

" VALUE " of anything is NEVER UNDERSTOOD by the general nerd/client

from the masses unless you TAKE RESPONSIBILITY to install VALUE.

 

THE FIRST THING Donna Eden does is always a CONVINCER of the value

of what she is teaching them to do!

 

Without that CONVINCER they will literally think they are wasting

their time, and will gripe, bitch and moan about how much it costs,

even if it's only $10 bucks, which is much less than the price of a

movie and popcorn.

 

I've given the formula for this earlier.

 

> I'll let you know my response to this when

> I see what some of you have to say about it.

 

Well, since you used " past tense " ...

 

....you are going to where YOUR time and efforts and skills are more

likely to be appreciated.

 

The above can easily be reformated so it works to everyone's good

advantage.

 

 

 

> Have a Positively Glowing day!

> Theda

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healingenergies-

essentialskills , " docspeed2001 " <docspeed2001>

wrote:

> healingenergies-

> essentialskills , " rhyanamarie " <rhyanamarie>

> wrote:

>

> > So, now on to another topic.. this should

> > get some interesting remarks I'm thinking...

>

> > " She said, as soon as she handed you

> > money that last evening, she could

> > feel the healing stop. "

>

> Ask her, " wow, is that what happens when you drive up to Burger

> King, and you hand the money to the counter person...the hunger

> stops? "

 

 

> If she's wearing a rolex, " Wow, is that what happened when you got

> the Rolex...once you paid for it you no longer wanted to wear it? "

>

> And, just stand there with a big smile of curiosity on your face.

 

Thank you for this perspective.. I was so busy trying to get past

the anger of the whole damned thing and feeling really hurt by some

of the other comments that I literally did not respond in anyway for

about two weeks... I'm so worried about hurting people's feelings

that I tend not to say anything or take time to carefully craft a

pretty neutral response.

 

> Also, notice the presuppositions in the above situation...

>

> Group, give me some of the presuppositions so we can help her

learn

> a bit from this.

>

> > This comes from someone in a group

> > I was facilitating for Women and

> > Issues that Women face. I was

> > (notice the past tense) meeting with

> > a group of women one night a week

> > for two hours at a time.

>

> Okay, one night a week is pretty hard to do to keep them

motivated.

> You need 2 nights MINIMUM, and you need a STRUCTURED program that

> they can see an end to, ie, 6 weeks, and they get XYZ

Certification.

 

Ah, structure.. I tried that and they said they really didn't like

that.. so I tried not to be so structured.. and they didn't like

that.. Yes I know.. quit trying to please everyone 'cause you'll

never please anyone... but I really wanted this group to be

productive and safe place for everyone that joined - it was an open

group (which made it harder to stay focused - brand new group trying

to grow to a nice comfortable size) as I had to " re-teach "

NeiGong/EFT to each new person...

 

> Back to Pavlov, Stimulus, response and reward...

>

> > We were

> > using EFT and Donna Eden's

> > Energy Medicine to work through various

> > issues. I provided a meeting place,

> > handouts, and lead them through the

> > routines that we were learning.

> > I was asking that each person

> > pay $10.00 a week to participate.

>

> You don't ask that they pay $10 a week.

>

> What you do is what I stated about 3 weeks ago.

>

> There was a 3 part strategy.

>

> > Most paid at least a few times, some

> > never paid, and most had comments like

> > the one above or something very similar.

> > If they said anything at all before they

> > quit attending.

>

> Please take the following in the gentle way I mean it, okay?;-)

>

> If they, ANY OF THEM, had comments like the above, then it is YOUR

> FAULT!

>

> Somehow you missed installing the, " what's-in-it-for me " , into

them

> in a convincing manner so that they felt THEY WOULD BENEFIT in

very

> important ways...

 

Agreed.. just haven't YET figured out how to change that and get

into a mode of expressing " what's in in for me " for other people...

I know what EM and other modalities has done for me... but some of

it seems so far fetched that its beyond most people's acceptance

level.

And I know that a lot of it has to do with a lack of confidence in

my own abilities. I'm pretty much at this point self-taught - I

have attended a couple of EFT seminars, a NeiGong seminar and will

be attending Donna Eden's seminar in St. Louis. I am reading Energy

Medicine for the third time and have begun the second reading of

David Feinstein's EPI along with a bunch of other reading and

studying... hhrmm.. way too much information I'm guessing.. so I'll

stop here

 

 

> In ways that paying $10 bucks for a canteen of cold water would be

> important to a man dying of thirst!

>

> " VALUE " of anything is NEVER UNDERSTOOD by the general nerd/client

> from the masses unless you TAKE RESPONSIBILITY to install VALUE.

 

And that's one of the MANY reasons that I have joined this list as I

feel that I can learn a lot about what my responsibilities are for

installing value to the " client " .

 

> THE FIRST THING Donna Eden does is always a CONVINCER of the value

> of what she is teaching them to do!

>

> Without that CONVINCER they will literally think they are wasting

> their time, and will gripe, bitch and moan about how much it

costs, even if it's only $10 bucks, which is much less than the

price of a movie and popcorn.

 

Yeah.. it's the convincer part that I'm struggling with.. I'm

reading back posts and absorbing - though the lightbulb is only

dimly on right now.. I know that eventually everything will " click "

for me and I'll feel like a moron... LOL.. that it took so long - I

tend to be rather impatient with myself and want all the knowledge

yesterday

 

> I've given the formula for this earlier.

>

> > I'll let you know my response to this when

> > I see what some of you have to say about it.

>

> Well, since you used " past tense " ...

>

> ...you are going to where YOUR time and efforts and skills are

more likely to be appreciated.

 

Yes, I'm backing off and creating something that is stronger and

meets specific criteria - and not worry about what others think it

should be... as a friend told me " quit letting the inmates run the

asulym " ..

 

> The above can easily be reformated so it works to everyone's good

> advantage.

>

>

 

Thank you Doc for tempering your response to this and considering

that my feelings tend to get way too emotional... it's appreciated..

 

Theda

> > Have a Positively Glowing day!

> > Theda