Trainings Bullies or Wimps

[Guest guest]

I went to a private school. Umm... never mind that thought... Anyways, if I

got in trouble at school, I got in trouble at home, too.

 

But when there was some bully causing trouble, if I went home and bitched about

it, my dad would snap at me, " Bust him upside the head! If you're dumb enough

to put up with it, I don't want to hear about it! "

 

I do agree that bullies should be stopped.

 

And when someone goes to stop them, the damned teachers (the teachers who are

bullies!) should turn and look the other way. Of course a 2nd grader doesn't

have much of a chance against a bully teacher. But I did understand things such

as " allies " and " leverage " and " outflanking the opposition " . So I got the upper

hand on that bitch a time or two. (I should send her dreams that it's God's

will for her to preach on the streets of Iraq... Damn, why didn't I think of

that before...)

 

I still wish I'd taken my dad's advice instead of my mom's with a few of those

other bullies.

 

Although I did WIN every time I got in a " fight " . I never got in one I couldn't

win. Is it a fight if it only lasts a couple of seconds?

 

Jim

Learn how to get even with bullies while you watch tv at home in your

underwear...

 

 

 

Richard Cinta <richardc

Jun 24, 2005 1:02 AM

 

Trainings Bullies or Wimps

 

Hey All,

 

I just saw an interesting news piece, with " experts " with books and

credentials on both sides of the topic.

 

Basically, one side is saying that kids that bully Should be a part of a

childs education and no rules to stop bullying should be made. Why?

Because those who were bullied around, grew up mentally stronger. and

without such hard knox lessons....We would be a a Nations of

Wimps....and is explained in her book, A Nation Under Therapy.

 

The other side, stated that Bullies should be stopped with school

regulations...claiming that severe mental trauma can have a negative

effect on kids and " can't we all just get along. and is pushing for

school regulations are working and in some schools, they were prasied

for being so severe in that kids could get punished for simply calling a

fellow student.. " stupid " .

 

I can see both sides make good arguments.....But who is right? Which

way produces productive, independent and empowered folks?

 

Anyone have any studies, comments or ideas on how you would like your

kids to be raised?

 

Thanks

 

Richard

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Richard,

 

I certainly wouldn't want my daughter to be a bully or be bullied. I don't think bullying in any learning enviroment is conducive to learning, and I think there should be some regulations on those type of behavior problems. And, thankfully, at her school, there are. I think that becoming independent, productive and empowered is something that is an individual's choice as they grow up, regardless of past experiences.

 

Rebecca Richard Cinta <richardc wrote:

Hey All,I just saw an interesting news piece, with "experts" with books and credentials on both sides of the topic.Basically, one side is saying that kids that bully Should be a part of a childs education and no rules to stop bullying should be made. Why? Because those who were bullied around, grew up mentally stronger. and without such hard knox lessons....We would be a a Nations of Wimps....and is explained in her book, A Nation Under Therapy.The other side, stated that Bullies should be stopped with school regulations...claiming that severe mental trauma can have a negative effect on kids and "can't we all just get along. and is pushing for school regulations are working and in some schools, they were prasied for being so severe in that kids could get punished for simply calling a fellow

student.."stupid". I can see both sides make good arguments.....But who is right? Which way produces productive, independent and empowered folks?Anyone have any studies, comments or ideas on how you would like your kids to be raised?ThanksRichard

[Guest guest]

On 6/24/05, Richard Cinta <richardc wrote:

>

> Basically, one side is saying that kids that bully Should be a part of a

> childs education and no rules to stop bullying should be made. Why?

> Because those who were bullied around, grew up mentally stronger.

>

 

" Mentally stronger " ? That's a funny way to describe " learned

helplessness " . Doesn't this just teach kids to put up with whatever

crap comes their way without complaining?

 

Clearly we should just track the book sales of each talking-head

" expert " , and whoever sells more books will be labelled " right " .

Then, won't we all be happier, so much happier, having an authority to

tell us right from wrong!

 

 

--David Brandt

[Guest guest]

, Rebecca

<rbkellam> wrote:

> Richard,

>

> I certainly wouldn't want my daughter to be a bully or be

bullied. I don't think bullying in any learning enviroment is

conducive to learning, and I think there should be some regulations

on those type of behavior problems. And, thankfully, at her school,

there are. I think that becoming independent, productive and

empowered is something that is an individual's choice as they grow

up, regardless of past experiences.

>

> Rebecca

 

Hahahaha.

 

I think we need a " clear " definition of what a bully is...

 

I think Rebecca is talking about something different, but in her

mind isn't seeing the differences, but only seeing the similaries.

 

....so group, cough up some fur balls about bullies, bullying, etc.

 

Pointing out BOTH the differences and the similaries...okay?

 

 

[Guest guest]

Ok, let me also clarify what I deem a bully. When my daughter went to another school, there was this little boy who would, without provocation, either punch my daughter in the back, or hit her with a pencil or invade her space while she was trying to learn. I'm sure it was an attention getter, given the child's homelife situation. (I know about his homelife situation, because after having had a couple of conferences with teachers, they confirmed that his home enviroment was unstable)

 

I wouldn't want my daughter to do that to anyone else, and she wouldn't. I also, obviously, for mental and physical safety reasons, didn't want her to have to be near that "bully". It was a distraction for her in school while she was learning, as well as the time that it took the teacher away from teaching to reprimand and deal with the problem child.

 

Thankfully now, as I mentioned, she is in a different school, and they absolutely do not allow that type of behavior among the students.

 

 

 

 

 

Rebecca <rbkellam wrote:

 

Richard,

 

I certainly wouldn't want my daughter to be a bully or be bullied. I don't think bullying in any learning enviroment is conducive to learning, and I think there should be some regulations on those type of behavior problems. And, thankfully, at her school, there are. I think that becoming independent, productive and empowered is something that is an individual's choice as they grow up, regardless of past experiences.

 

Rebecca Richard Cinta <richardc wrote:

Hey All,I just saw an interesting news piece, with "experts" with books and credentials on both sides of the topic.Basically, one side is saying that kids that bully Should be a part of a childs education and no rules to stop bullying should be made. Why? Because those who were bullied around, grew up mentally stronger. and without such hard knox lessons....We would be a a Nations of Wimps....and is explained in her book, A Nation Under Therapy.The other side, stated that Bullies should be stopped with school regulations...claiming that severe mental trauma can have a negative effect on kids and "can't we all just get along. and is pushing for school regulations are working and in some schools, they were prasied for being so severe in that kids could get punished for simply calling a fellow

student.."stupid". I can see both sides make good arguments.....But who is right? Which way produces productive, independent and empowered folks?Anyone have any studies, comments or ideas on how you would like your kids to be raised?ThanksRichard

[Guest guest]

I defeated the biggest bully in town with my power of

concentration ... and silence.

 

I just sat down, directly across the table from him

and looked at him until he stopped talking.

 

Then I got up and walked away.

 

Then, EVERYONE was afraid of ME.

 

--Vince

 

From the " Cool Hand Luke " School of Martial Arts

 

Rev. James Vinson Wingo, DD

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

 

I had two responses (that I'm aware of) when I read Rebecca's post. The

first was the old SoM apply to self of that's a pretty bullying attitude to

have and the second was " Bully for you Rebecca " . (What can I say, I like to

hold opposite positions at the same time, it is good for flexibility.)

 

And then John asks for definitions of bullying and I thought now I have to

actually think, go inside and give part of myself to this endeavor. I

realized (in my model) I could be considered a bully and I get bullied

because for me bullying could include attempting to get someone to change

their perspective or perception especially if they or I am stuck on my

Point of view being the truth/absolute/actuality.

 

From my POV bully is a label that is applied when something is not going

my way, I think I'm being wronged, or I perceive something I own (including

my thoughts/belief/identity) is being taken from me without my consent and

against my will.

 

(As I was rereading this before I hit the send button - I realized whatever

possessions I have ARE a part of my identity and if someone is taking them

away, without consent, I think they are taking away a part of me. If they

weren't apart of my identity I wouldn't care if they were taken or not.

Good god almighty, Doc John thanks for the fucking great question.)

 

I also realized that bullying or being bullied come from a victim/villain

POV. It comes down to a being at effect vs being at cause thought, belief

or identity. I usually can correct the thought easier than I can the belief

or identity.

 

It seems to me when anyone attempts to change my POV or expand my current

perception or give me more options and I am comfortable with where I am, I

could consider it an assault on or bullying me and I could easily extend

the perceived assault to some technique, model or position I have taken in

the past and am holding in the present.

 

Even if I don't perceive it as bullying I will at the minimum take offense,

be offended, take it personally-personalize what the other is presenting

and not really see if the other person has something to offer. In other

words I won't do the drills to get the skills, even if offered because I

have already made up my mind that what is being offered has no value, is a

rip off or marketing ploy, even if what is being offered comes from someone

I respect.

 

So I guess bullying can have different levels and therefore different

consequences. And I guess the magical question is probably one of the best

questions to apply regardless of the level the bullying is perceived.

 

Well, there are some of my fur balls about bullies, I'm not sure I did so

well on differences and similarities...

 

Dr. Houston Vetter

 

 

 

 

At 03:31 PM 6/24/2005, you wrote:

> , Rebecca

><rbkellam> wrote:

> > Richard,

> >

> > I certainly wouldn't want my daughter to be a bully or be

>bullied. I don't think bullying in any learning enviroment is

>conducive to learning, and I think there should be some regulations

>on those type of behavior problems. And, thankfully, at her school,

>there are. I think that becoming independent, productive and

>empowered is something that is an individual's choice as they grow

>up, regardless of past experiences.

> >

> > Rebecca

>

>Hahahaha.

>

>I think we need a " clear " definition of what a bully is...

>

>I think Rebecca is talking about something different, but in her

>mind isn't seeing the differences, but only seeing the similaries.

>

>...so group, cough up some fur balls about bullies, bullying, etc.

>

>Pointing out BOTH the differences and the similaries...okay?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not a Warrior Archetype, but I am not a Wimp, either. I don't get in

physical combat. I have had my house burgled twice in my life. Both times

I, myself, took the actions that I knew the police would not get to, to get the

criminals caught and convicted. I learned the power of a withering sneer

early in life. And pointing and laughing to rob the other of power. Learning

how to swear in Spanish helped several times. Belittling the puffed up can

be effective. And being confident so I am less attractive as a target.

And I took basic self-defense courses. I think I could really hurt someone

to protect myself, but the difference with you guys who practice martial

arts is you KNOW for sure. I didn't stay with that training long enough to

be fully confident. There were too many people who knew more than I

did. One of my sensei was a 100 pound French woman. I never saw her

unable to take down even the biggest, meanest guy. (Every martial arts

class has someone who tries to join to bully who then must be taken down,

I think. Is that so, doc? Or do you screen them out first?) Her husband used

to push their car around the block for exercise. The neighbors kept offering

to help him; then they decided he was crazy and left him alone.

 

Reining in my own bully tendencies came with maturity and perspective.

I used mostly hostile "humor," with a soupcon of road rage.

Sue

 

 

www.coachdrgridley.com

[Guest guest]

I wrote screenplays for a long time, and tend to look at 'character'

somewhat abstractly. A bully is a stock character-type -- so here goes:

 

A bully is someone who believes (on a meta and micro level) that

'might makes right'. A group can bully too - usually most dangerous.

(fascism is bullying as process)

 

A bully would tell him/herself that 'if they don't fear you they don't

respect you' -- or 'you gotta do it to them before they do it to you'

or 'If you let your guard down for one minute, they'll get you.'

 

The form that 'might' takes can be soft (say a character who

orchestrates and manipulates to get his or her way) or full on Saddam

Huesen (though his son Udday is probably a perfect example of 'bully

gone wild'). Bush Jr. is a pretty typical bully, too.

 

A bully uses the force of intimidation - which can include sarcasm

(belittling humor), criticism, pranks and sexuality -- but the purpose

is to belittle, humiliate and devalue. A well-rounded bully has a whole

arsenal of tools - including charm. Charm (it's sort of a hot charm,

there's lots of heat and force in it) is really a terrific bullying

tool.

 

Most movie producers are bullies. (most writers are bullied) Hollywood

is actually a study in bullying strategies.

 

Underneath, though,a bully usually has deep sense of powerlessness and

worthlessness he or she will hide at all costs.

 

Helen

 

 

On Jun 24, 2005, at 1:31 PM, docspeed2001 wrote:

 

> , Rebecca

> <rbkellam> wrote:

>> Richard,

>>

>> I certainly wouldn't want my daughter to be a bully or be

> bullied. I don't think bullying in any learning enviroment is

> conducive to learning, and I think there should be some regulations

> on those type of behavior problems. And, thankfully, at her school,

> there are. I think that becoming independent, productive and

> empowered is something that is an individual's choice as they grow

> up, regardless of past experiences.

>>

>> Rebecca

>

> Hahahaha.

>

> I think we need a " clear " definition of what a bully is...

>

> I think Rebecca is talking about something different, but in her

> mind isn't seeing the differences, but only seeing the similaries.

>

> ...so group, cough up some fur balls about bullies, bullying, etc.

>

> Pointing out BOTH the differences and the similaries...okay?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if the biggest " bully " there is might

be...ourselves. We can pretty much put fear into our minds (if so

inclined) of just about anything, and draw some fearsome types to us in

so doing. If there are bullies in this world, there must surely

also be those who attract them. It kind of seems there can't be one

without the other.

So, I guess a bully can be pretty much anyone someone is afraid of and

feels intimidated by, warranted or not.

 

Jeanne

At 08:31 PM 6/24/2005 +0000, you wrote:

--- In

, Rebecca

<rbkellam> wrote:

> Richard,

>

> I certainly wouldn't want my daughter to be a bully or be

bullied. I don't think bullying in any learning enviroment is

conducive to learning, and I think there should be some regulations

on those type of behavior problems. And, thankfully, at her school,

there are. I think that becoming independent, productive and

 

empowered is something that is an individual's choice as they grow

up, regardless of past experiences.

>

> Rebecca

Hahahaha.

I think we need a " clear " definition of what a bully

is...

I think Rebecca is talking about something different, but in her

mind isn't seeing the differences, but only seeing the

similaries.

....so group, cough up some fur balls about bullies, bullying,

etc.

Pointing out BOTH the differences and the similaries...okay?

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/24/05 7:52:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, docresults writes:

 

 

Paulina,

 

What if we looked at the concept of bullying being more than physical. Can one be bullied verbally, mentally, emotionally? If so does that move it from gender specific to species specific? Is bullying a conscious or patterned (unconscious) or both activity?

 

 

 

Houston:

 

Of course bullying is not only limited to the physical.  Just look at all the abuse cases, where the woman is verbally and emotionally abused by her husband/boyfriend.   Such non-physical abuse also eats away at  her confidence and self-esteem, and makes her less able to overcome her predicament, because such abuse eats away at the fabric of one's essence.  And of course it can go both ways.  I don't recall hearing of a skinny little girl or boy picking on someone a lot bigger than they are. 

 

Frankly I didn't stop to think and try to understand the psychological issues that the bullies who beat me up, were dealing with.  Sadly what happens to someone who has not had the benefit of an older brother or father to teach one to defend themselves, is that the feelings get internalized, when one gets bullied. 

 

I wonder what the differences are between those kids who overcame their bullies by beating them up, and the kids who were unable to defend themselves, is.  I bet one builds a sense of confidence, while the other builds a sense of inferiority.  I think that the ramifications of the two outcomes probably are lifelong.  If it happens at a young age, we probably make up our minds, not only about who we are and what our place in the world is, but also about the world itself.  The unfortunate part of this may be that, unless there is some sort of intervention in the thinking process, victim mentality, learned helplessness and such may follow one throughout one's lifetime.

 

I probably did not respond to your inquiry Houston, but I tend to speak from experience more so, than from presuppositions and theories. 

 

Paulina

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/25/05 8:23:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jeanneg writes:

 

I don't know that actually beating up someone else is required. I know of a case where a young lad who was being harassed (some would say bullied nowadays) at school simply learned how to protect himself with martial arts (Tae Kwan Do if it's spelled correctly?)--and without having to ever strike a blow (or a kick), he was left alone. He KNEW he could whap a concrete block and break it in two, and he KNEW he could toss around people larger than he during practice. Maybe just a guess here, but once HE knew, it's like the bullies knew, too--or at least suspected.

 

That's why I wrote earlier that it might be something in our minds, our thinking, that attracts bullies. Sort of like, it takes to tango, or tangle, or to form a bully-bullied relationship.

 

Jeanne

 

 

 

Jeanne:

 

I think that you are right about attracting certain experiences to ourselves, based on our internal thoughts/ feelings, energies about ourselves. My point was, I guess, that lacking any knowledge in self-defense, one tends to attract the experiences that reinforce the victim mentality. Studies have been made as to who might be a target of muggings. The muggers, who were part of this study (and I don't know where I read this study), would point out what sort of person that they would assault, based on their body language, and mode of walking, posture, etc. Those who presented a confident body language would tend not to be harassed, while the meek types would be potential targets.

 

A lot of times, women would be taught in self-defense classes to walk confidently, head held high, taking larger strides, etc. to at least give the illusion of self-confidence. After all, bullies don't really want to pick on someone that they think will defeat them. Their "confidence" lies in having a winning edge over a smaller, more timid person.

 

When someone KNOWS that they can take care of themselves, they automatically exhude an air of confidence, that few want to mess with....doncha think?

 

Paulina

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/25/05 9:03:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jeanneg writes:

 

 

Absolultely. So why aren't parents teaching their kids how to take care of themselves, or at least stand up for themselves, instead teaching them to be perfect little victims? They don't have to be taught to be bullies themselves, just how to be inwardly strong enough for it to show outwardly.

 

 

 

Hi Again Jeanne: (We have to stop meeting this way, LOL)

 

My guess is that most parents don't take a proactive role in teaching their kids to "stand up" for themselves, unless there is a reason to do so, in this manner. For the most part what I see in my dealings with parents clinically, is that they tend to be more of the problem in eroding their kids' self-esteem and self-confidence.

 

Having said that, I don't mean to imply that most parents do that. I have friends and family members, who, if not actively teach their kids to "standup" for themselves with bullies, but who do add to their childrens' self-confidence by enrolling them in activities that they can grow to be successful in. The result is that their self-confidence gets generalized to other areas, as well. I am not sure, however, that an academic proficiency will lead to confidence in the physical realm. But those kids who use their bodies through sports, for example, may be less intimidated by a bully.

 

Just my $buck fifty opinion. LOL (hey if some people won't work for less than $10 a minute, my two cents must be worth a $ buck fifty) :-)

 

Paulina

[Guest guest]

Hi, Paulina

At 07:49 AM 6/25/2005 -0400, Pandora51 wrote:

I

wonder what the differences are between those kids who overcame their

bullies by beating them up, and the kids who were unable to defend

themselves, is. I bet one builds a sense of confidence, while the

other builds a sense of inferiority. I think that the ramifications

of the two outcomes probably are lifelong. If it happens at a young

age, we probably make up our minds, not only about who we are and what

our place in the world is, but also about the world itself. The

unfortunate part of this may be that, unless there is some sort of

intervention in the thinking process, victim mentality, learned

helplessness and such may follow one throughout one's

lifetime.

I don't know that actually beating up someone else is required. I

know of a case where a young lad who was being harassed (some would say

bullied nowadays) at school simply learned how to protect himself with

martial arts (Tae Kwan Do if it's spelled correctly?)--and without having

to ever strike a blow (or a kick), he was left alone. He KNEW he

could whap a concrete block and break it in two, and he KNEW he could

toss around people larger than he during practice. Maybe just a

guess here, but once HE knew, it's like the bullies knew, too--or at

least suspected.

That's why I wrote earlier that it might be something in our minds, our

thinking, that attracts bullies. Sort of like, it takes to tango,

or tangle, or to form a bully-bullied relationship.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

Hi again,

At 08:43 AM 6/25/2005 -0400, you wrote:

In

a message dated 6/25/05 8:23:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

jeanneg writes:

 

I think that you are right about attracting certain experiences to

ourselves, based on our internal thoughts/ feelings, energies about

ourselves. My point was, I guess, that lacking any knowledge in

self-defense, one tends to attract the experiences that reinforce the

victim mentality.

Yes, you are right. In today's society (yes, I'm older than dirt),

though, many times our children are not taught to stand up for

themselves. If there's a " bully " at school, they sue the

school instead of doing what my parents did. (They told me that to

get on in this world, we have to stand up to people--they weren't

explicit as to how, but I did find that as soon as I told the kid down

the street to buzz off, he did.) Kids especially will test limits,

sometimes aggressively, and if they succeed, they're encouraged to

continue the behavior.

 

Studies

have been made as to who might be a target of muggings. The

muggers, who were part of this study (and I don't know where I read this

study), would point out what sort of person that they would assault,

based on their body language, and mode of walking, posture,

etc. Those who presented a confident body language

would tend not to be harassed, while the meek types would be potential

targets.

 

LOL--this brings back some humorous memories. I often had to work

night shifts when I was younger, and walking home from the bus stop in

the wee hours could get dicey in the cities where I lived--San Francisco

for awhile, then New Orleans. At first, it scared the dickens out

of me to walk down a dark street--every shadow seemed sinister.

Then, I decided I wasn't going to be a target, and started walking in a

very aggressive manner, almost a stomp, and deliberately sent out

" don't mess with me or you'll regret it " vibes. Most of

the time, I wasn't bothered. The one time that I was, I swung

around and began beating the poor fellow about the head and shoulders

with my umbrella. In fact, I chased him a block or so down the

street. I'm sure he avoided " crazy ladies " after

that!

 

When

someone KNOWS that they can take care of themselves, they automatically

exhude an air of confidence, that few want to mess with....doncha

think?

Absolultely. So why aren't parents teaching their kids how

to take care of themselves, or at least stand up for themselves, instead

teaching them to be perfect little victims? They don't have to be

taught to be bullies themselves, just how to be inwardly strong enough

for it to show outwardly.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

Standing up for oneself--could mean a number of

things. Thinking back, in my case I think it meant (in today's

terms) setting boundaries, learning to say " no, " learning how

to deflect or in some cases ridicule taunts. Taunts only do their

job when someone feels insecure, otherwise they're just blather.

(There are a LOT of insecure people in government!)

Kids will push the envelope, that's a given. Expressing fear when

they do so tends to strengthen the wrong character traits.

 

Perhaps self-confidence is a large part of " standing up for

oneself " , but teaching self-reliance is, I think, another part of

it. " Mama " or teachers can only stop what's going on when

they're there, and the bullying often gets worse once these people are

out of sight.

Think about it: why are some kids " bullied " (or challenged)

while others are not?

I think it's because some kids--and adults--walk around projecting huge

" kick me " signals. And for adults, there's a growing

popularity for being a " victim " too--that's a whole other

thing.

Jeanne

At 09:37 AM 6/25/2005 -0400, you wrote:

In

a message dated 6/25/05 9:03:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

jeanneg writes:

 

Absolultely. So why

aren't parents teaching their kids how to take care of themselves, or at

least stand up for themselves, instead teaching them to be perfect little

victims? They don't have to be taught to be bullies themselves,

just how to be inwardly strong enough for it to show

outwardly.

Hi Again Jeanne: (We

have to stop meeting this way, LOL)

My guess is that most parents don't take a proactive role in teaching

their kids to " stand up " for themselves, unless there is a

reason to do so, in this manner. For the most part what I see in my

dealings with parents clinically, is that they tend to be more of the

problem in eroding their kids' self-esteem and self-confidence.

Having said that, I don't mean to imply that most parents do that.

I have friends and family members, who, if not actively teach their kids

to " standup " for themselves with bullies, but who do add to

their childrens' self-confidence by enrolling them in activities that

they can grow to be successful in. The result is that their

self-confidence gets generalized to other areas, as

well. I am not sure, however, that an academic

proficiency will lead to confidence in the physical realm. But

those kids who use their bodies through sports, for example, may be less

intimidated by a bully.

Just my $buck fifty opinion. LOL (hey if some people won't

work for less than $10 a minute, my two cents must be worth a $ buck

fifty) :-)

Paulina

 

 

[Guest guest]

Does anyone watch the Daily Show with Jon Stewart?

 

They did a totally hysterical segment on school bullies.

 

They interviewed a life couch who said he is an " ex-bully' (and you can

see how he was - tons of energy in this chest).

 

So the female comedian (forget her name) starts taunting him with all

this whimpy, snivelly behavior -- to bring out the bully in him...

 

 

Damn, wish Comedy Central had streaming video links - it was crying

funny.

 

Helen

 

>     And, Yes, I'm sure that most of us are not yet aware of the energy

> we attract in every day life, but if we could... how would we?

>  

> Just my thoughts on this intriguing discussion...

>  

> Greg R.

>  

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/27/05 2:41:16 PM, helen writes:

 

 

the female comedian (forget her name)

 

 

Samantha Bee. She is the funniest thing going among a group of the funniest! Sue

 

 

 

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