The EVILs of the Secret Installation of Shame and Guilt!

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--- <apperiyon@g...> wrote:

 

> You seem determined to be contentious,

 

Do you mean I'm " DETERMINED to be CLEAR about what I'm talking about?

 

Do you mean to say that I have a REMARKABLE ABILITY to go for CLEAN

THINKING rather than foggy, unclear platitudes?

 

If so, then I do THANK YOU.

 

Or, are you just attempting to install shame and guilt into me?

 

Shame on YOU! Tsk, tsk!

 

> even when I am trying to communicate

> with you, or reach some kind of middle ground.

 

Why must we agree on anything?

 

What causes that to be important to you?

 

If someone told me the earth was flat, would we need to " reach some

sort of middle ground? "

 

Hopefully NOT.

 

Again, this post is NOT about you.

 

It IS ABOUT the topic of FORGIVENESS, and the TOPIC OF A SPECIFIC

SET OF SKILLS anyone that is NOT brain-dead can easily learn and

verify for themselves.

 

YOU can go and fly a kite for all I care.

 

YOU can do the drills, or ignore the drills. It's your boat that's

sinking or floating, not mine. I float my own boat rather well.

 

I will continue on the topic of FORGIVENESS regardless of you

whining about me and at me, or not.

 

> The truth is that other people in the group provided very

>helpful info to me, and I will continue to work on my issue.

 

That's a " truth " , how do you know it's not a falsehood?

 

What " truth " specifically? What's the difference between a " truth "

and a falsehood? Hold them both up infront of you and compare them.

 

Notice the differences.

 

How do you know what they are saying is a " truth " , and not a

falsehood?

 

What would happen if it wasn't a " truth " but a falsehood?

 

Is it always a " truth " or is it always a falsehood?

 

Should it be true, but what if it should be false?

 

Not bad for you. Not bad for them.

 

I do have many a good SMART friend (s) on this list.

 

> If you were being honest,

 

So, I'm not BEING HONEST?

 

SO, I'm not BEING TRUTHFUL and PERSISTENT in what I'm teaching?

 

You my dear female are again ATTEMPTING TO " INSTALL " SHAME IN ME!

 

Why?

 

you

> would have to admit that communication is a two way street.

 

No I don't. What if I don't want to, but want to do something else?

 

Is that OKAY with you? Hopefully, yes?

 

There is NEVER any communication unless there is also some personal

experiences!

 

In fact, all of us know something about communication.

 

I'm talking about the communication of a successful strategy for

FORGIVENESS, which will NOT work unless the skills are internalized

and made a part of our automatic unconscious thinking patterns.

 

You are attempting to explain away why you don't need to learn

anything else and why what you do for " forgiveness " is good enough.

 

Well, it might be good enough for you, but it is NOT good enough for

my friends, my clients, nor my peers.

 

So, I'm NOT bitching at you, but explaining to the group a specific

strategy of FORGIVENESS that does work real well for those that DO

THE DAMN DRILLS!

 

You don't NEED TO DO anything!

 

Nor do they.

 

And I will give out very valuable procedures, and those 3% that

actually read, study and DO THE DAMN DRILLS will learn a very LIFE

ENHANCING SKILL in just hours!

 

> That means that you have failed as much as I have.

 

I know I've NOT failed, I get POSITIVE LEARNINGS from everything I

do, even the writting of this post to this group.

 

Now " if " I were attempting to give you POSITIVE LEARNINGS, then I'm

sure not TOTALLY SUCCESSFUL with that, am I!

 

And I know that I AM VERY SUCCESSFUL at most of what I do.

 

Why do you think that " you are a failure " ?

 

I've never noticed you " failing at all you do " .

 

I actually thought that you were a rather smart female, that, if

pointed in a more productive direction, could be someone RATHER

SPECIAL!

 

Did I make a mistake with that guess-timation?

 

> I think you misunderstood me, and then

> perhaps I misunderstood you too, because I was feeling mismatched.

 

Yes, you did misunderstand me.

 

And that's kool.

 

I'm a big boy and I'm pretty secure in my knowledge, in my own

values, criteria, and my LIFE PATH, doing what is really fun and

exciting for me.

 

>However, if you can't own any part in any communication, and your

>only strategy is to make blaming statements,

 

Sorry dear friend, I've NOT blamed anyone anywhere.

 

And, there you go again, once more attempting to INSTALL SHAME in

me.

 

SHAME ON YOU! (As I point my finger at you!)

 

That is YOUR CULTURAL FILTER of guilt and shame kicking into gear.

 

So, since someone somewhere used that tactic successfully on you,

you attempt to use it on others?

 

Wow!

 

Some of the people here (NOT you of course), might want to

READ/STUDY that book by Harry Browne.

 

Some of them (NOT you of course), might also want to learn a few

skills of clear thinking so they can notice how unclear, foggy and

downright stupid many people are.

 

A couple of books that might help those that WANT THOSE SKILLS are...

 

1. " Taming Your Mind " by Ken Keyes, Jr.

 

2. and, " Influencing with Integrity " by Genie Z. Laborde.

 

Why am I recommending these two books to this list?

 

Good question!

 

Because there are BETTER TOOLS besides the installation of 'guilt'

and the installation of 'shame'.

 

Some of the people here might really enjoy learning those other,

more evolved tools.

 

> then, you can keep on trucking.

 

Thank you.

 

I will, whether you like it or not.

 

I do enjoy doing what I do, being whom I am, learning new and better

skills daily, and sharing those specific skills with some real smart

people...people that qualify BY DOING THE DAMN DRILLS!

 

>I am not interested. Your therapy isn't therapeutic.

 

What therapy?

 

I'm NOT doing therapy.

 

If I were doing therapy with you, you'd be paying me a whopping $450

bucks an hour!

 

So, if I'm NOT doing therapy, then what am I doing?

 

Good question!

 

I'm having FUN!

 

Too bad your NOT ENJOYING this as much as I am.

 

Dr. John M. La Tourreatte

 

>In other words, you have not

> demonstrated any great ability to engage me, to communicate

clearly, to

> challenge me, or to help me alter my stuck-ness in any way. If you

can't do

> those things, or consider my heart when you speak, then do not

speak to me

> at all. Linda