Creeping Up OLD AGE can BREED Pigs!!!

[Guest guest]

--- , Aaron Kulkis <akulkis@H...> wrote:

> Pandora51@a... wrote:

 

> > I can't help but wonder why You Mike, seem to be bashing women,

rather

> > than merely agree or support Doc's view on one particular woman

who has

> > apparently bashed him personally. I have seen Doc respond to

males just

> > as vigorously. It certainly is not because she was a woman.

> >

> > Your post implies that Doc was bashed simply because he is a

guy. If

> > some Prince Charming did not show up in some women's lives, does

that

> > really turn them into hogs?

 

> Paulina, it's not that various Prince Charmings never arrived in

> their lives...it's that they TURNED UP THEIR NOSE AT THEM and

snubbed them in favor of DangerAsshole....

 

> And after they're done spawning DangerAsshole's demon sprog,

fucking up their own lives, and in other ways, making themselves

COMPLETELY undesirable (including the weight gain) to all but the

most desperate men...then, and ONLY then, do they take an interest

in a guy who actually has something going for him, and and

education, and manners.

 

> I myself have had way to many of these fat hogs make passes at me,

> that I now, when I hear the " I wish I had met a guy like you when

> I was younger. " I reply with a standard lecture about how, Oh yes,

> they DID meet a bunch of guys like me when they were younger, but

> they fucking ignored ALL of us --- and now...NOW, after her life is

> a complete mess, and she has some OTHER man's kids...NOW she wants

> *ME* to come in and clean up the goddamned mess....and frankly, I

> am so goddamned insulted that she would even DARE try to rope me

> into that situation that I'm putting leaving no room for doubt

> exactly how utterly insulting her proposal is.

 

(snipped)

 

> And I'm not the only guy my age who has come to this. But, I'm

> sick of the sob stories, which all revolve around chasing and

> fucking herself silly with loser drop-outs rather than giving such

> attention to the guys who actually sacrifice and make something

> of themselves.

 

(snipped)

 

> I don't hate women, but I utterly abhor the sort of " I want

> an asshole man to create my kids, but I want YOU to raise

> them for me " sort of pigs as I described above.

>Aaron

 

Hi Aaron,

 

I was totally mesmerized by your post to Paulina.

 

Not because it is a " truth " , but because it is isomorphic WITH ME.

 

And I'm not talking about my wife turning into a pig...

 

....I'm talking about ME turning into a pig!

 

And there is/was NO EXCUSE FOR IT, ever!

 

My wife is 59 years old, 5' 5 " tall and weighs 127 pounds.

 

She exercises 3-4 times a week a curves, so she can look good, move

good, and have pride in herself.

 

Me, I'm over the hill. In my early 60's. About 35 pounds overweight.

 

I've been that way since an injury 9 years ago, and I've just NOT

yet taken the time, effort to use the NEAT SKILLS I OWN to apply

them to the weight issue.

 

You see Aaron, I just didn't think that it mattered. At least it

didn't matter to me. I'm pretty sure it matters to my wife, to my

students and to my clients.

 

But I'm self-motivated 100%!

 

The first thing is I NEEDED TO RECOGINIZE THAT THERE " IS " A WEIGHT

ISSUE.

 

And, THANK YOU Aaron and Paulina, because of BOTH your posts, I

FINALLY REALIZED IT!

 

Damn!

 

Now " IT'S GET TO WORK TIME! "

Again, my thanks to both of you!

 

Nice point Aaron. It smacked me right between the eyes.

 

Dr. John (flabby) La Tourrette

(soon to be back where it is best to be!)

Creeping Up Old age CAN breeds pigs!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/15/05 10:20:19 PM, darthon4 writes:

 

 

Get out of here...you're kidding right?!

 

I don't see you that way at all! Fat, old, over-the-hill...MY FOOT! 

 

You were in great shape when I saw you in October. You're just trying

to make a point from another vantage right? You're a lot healthier

than guys half your age.

 

 

I agree Lori:

 

If I din't know better, I would say that Doc was just fishing for compliments. LOL

 

So I am officially complimenting you Doc....You are a fine figure of a man from what I have seen in Oregon.

 

Paulina

[Guest guest]

Hey Doc,

 

Get out of here...you're kidding right?!

 

I don't see you that way at all! Fat, old, over-the-hill...MY FOOT!

 

You were in great shape when I saw you in October. You're just trying

to make a point from another vantage right? You're a lot healthier

than guys half your age.

 

On the other hand I know women who make a " career " out of bashing men

like Axxxx likes to do with women. It is a two way street.

 

It seems like it would be really easy to fix if they want to be

helped though wouldn't it? IDD maybe?

 

Or maybe just stop hanging around places where they attract the kinds

of people they're trying to avoid?

 

Or maybe learn how to " get shit done " or future pace and program for

what they really want...wouldn't it?

 

Oh well, just some thoughts from a nuclear engineer aspiring to be a

psychic energy warrior and having lots of fun along the way.

 

Sincerely,

Lori

 

 

healingenergies-

essentialskills , " docspeed2001 " <docspeed2001>

wrote:

>

> --- , Aaron Kulkis <akulkis@H...> wrote:

> > Pandora51@a... wrote:

>

> > > I can't help but wonder why You Mike, seem to be bashing women,

> rather

> > > than merely agree or support Doc's view on one particular woman

> who has

> > > apparently bashed him personally. I have seen Doc respond to

> males just

> > > as vigorously. It certainly is not because she was a woman.

> > >

> > > Your post implies that Doc was bashed simply because he is a

> guy. If

> > > some Prince Charming did not show up in some women's lives,

does

> that

> > > really turn them into hogs?

>

> > Paulina, it's not that various Prince Charmings never arrived in

> > their lives...it's that they TURNED UP THEIR NOSE AT THEM and

> snubbed them in favor of DangerAsshole....

>

> > And after they're done spawning DangerAsshole's demon sprog,

> fucking up their own lives, and in other ways, making themselves

> COMPLETELY undesirable (including the weight gain) to all but the

> most desperate men...then, and ONLY then, do they take an interest

> in a guy who actually has something going for him, and and

> education, and manners.

>

> > I myself have had way to many of these fat hogs make passes at me,

> > that I now, when I hear the " I wish I had met a guy like you when

> > I was younger. " I reply with a standard lecture about how, Oh

yes,

> > they DID meet a bunch of guys like me when they were younger, but

> > they fucking ignored ALL of us --- and now...NOW, after her life

is

> > a complete mess, and she has some OTHER man's kids...NOW she wants

> > *ME* to come in and clean up the goddamned mess....and frankly, I

> > am so goddamned insulted that she would even DARE try to rope me

> > into that situation that I'm putting leaving no room for doubt

> > exactly how utterly insulting her proposal is.

>

> (snipped)

>

> > And I'm not the only guy my age who has come to this. But, I'm

> > sick of the sob stories, which all revolve around chasing and

> > fucking herself silly with loser drop-outs rather than giving such

> > attention to the guys who actually sacrifice and make something

> > of themselves.

>

> (snipped)

>

> > I don't hate women, but I utterly abhor the sort of " I want

> > an asshole man to create my kids, but I want YOU to raise

> > them for me " sort of pigs as I described above.

> >Aaron

>

> Hi Aaron,

>

> I was totally mesmerized by your post to Paulina.

>

> Not because it is a " truth " , but because it is isomorphic WITH ME.

>

> And I'm not talking about my wife turning into a pig...

>

> ...I'm talking about ME turning into a pig!

>

> And there is/was NO EXCUSE FOR IT, ever!

>

> My wife is 59 years old, 5' 5 " tall and weighs 127 pounds.

>

> She exercises 3-4 times a week a curves, so she can look good, move

> good, and have pride in herself.

>

> Me, I'm over the hill. In my early 60's. About 35 pounds

overweight.

>

> I've been that way since an injury 9 years ago, and I've just NOT

> yet taken the time, effort to use the NEAT SKILLS I OWN to apply

> them to the weight issue.

>

> You see Aaron, I just didn't think that it mattered. At least it

> didn't matter to me. I'm pretty sure it matters to my wife, to my

> students and to my clients.

>

> But I'm self-motivated 100%!

>

> The first thing is I NEEDED TO RECOGINIZE THAT THERE " IS " A WEIGHT

> ISSUE.

>

> And, THANK YOU Aaron and Paulina, because of BOTH your posts, I

> FINALLY REALIZED IT!

>

> Damn!

>

> Now " IT'S GET TO WORK TIME! "

> Again, my thanks to both of you!

>

> Nice point Aaron. It smacked me right between the eyes.

>

> Dr. John (flabby) La Tourrette

> (soon to be back where it is best to be!)

> Creeping Up Old age CAN breeds pigs!

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/16/05 7:14:07 PM, barbara101ann writes:

 

 

 

So when Doc makes pictures in his head of what "good shape" really is

he is comparing his current physical condition to his previous

fighting trim condition, and not comparing himself to the normal low

health standards of most people his age.

 

 

Hi Barbara Ann:

 

Yes, now I see what you mean. I guess I was commenting on Doc's appearance in an objective sense, and not from his own perspective of what his conditioning means to him. I do believe that we can regain and rejuvenate our vigor and appearance to that of our more youthful days.

 

I have a strong sense that Ponce DeLeon's quest for the Fountain of Youth, lies within us, and can be accessed through some of the tools that Doc shared with us.

 

Paulina

[Guest guest]

---, " darthon4 " <darthon4> wrote:

>

> Hey Doc,

>

> Get out of here...you're kidding right?!

>

> I don't see you that way at all! Fat, old, over-the-hill...MY FOOT!

>

> You were in great shape when I saw you in October. You're just

trying

> to make a point from another vantage right? You're a lot healthier

> than guys half your age.

 

Hi Lori and Paulina,

 

I've thought about what Doc said about being out of shape and here's

what I came up with.

 

Doc is a metal element, and used to be a world class martial arts

athlete, starting to win competition tournaments back in the 50's,

through the 60's, and into the 70's and 80's. And then he trained

others to win those competions up until the present time.

 

He was a superb athlete. A real 6' 2 " fighting Tiger, tipping the

scales at a fighting trim of 160 pounds. Legs of steel. Endurance and

fighting trim of a triathalon. Could fight continously for 4 hours,

fighting one black belt after another, until they dropped.

 

So when Doc makes pictures in his head of what " good shape " really is

he is comparing his current physical condition to his previous

fighting trim condition, and not comparing himself to the normal low

health standards of most people his age.

 

Doc is still a fit human, and very good at what he does, when compared

to others that are within either side of him age wise.

 

We, on the other hand, are looking at a Kung-fu Master, a man that is

in his mid 60's, that can whomp butt better than almost any other

person on the planet. The man that is world famous for being able to

hit a man 10-18 times in one second or less. The man that knows dim

mak and Qi Kong so well that he can devastate another almost

instantly. A man that is so well training in the healing arts that he

is famous for those skills also.

 

Doc probably ignores that, because to him that stuff is actually

simple.

 

Doc is a very proactive type of individual. I do wonder what he is now

doing to rectify the situation he has found himself in? I know I'll be

surprised the next time I see him in Feb.

 

Barbara Ann

[Guest guest]

Hi Barbara Ann,

 

I can relate to what you wrote. I'm a metal too, and once I set my

sights on what my ideal is, and there's a tried and true way to

approach it, I tend to put my heart into it and I do it. And, that's

what I like about Doc and being on his lists, he has approaches that

work and that can fit everyone because not everyone has the same

ideals or interests.

 

I agree that being in great shape, and what I'm comfortable with,

could be totally different for someone else. I'm 5'6 " 125 lbs, and

some people tell me I'm too skinny, tell me I need to put on some

weight ---usually " well-meaning " family---so go figure! But I'm at a

weight that I'm comfortable with and what my naturopathic physician

says is an ideal weight for me.

 

On the other hand, I'm not satisfied with my muscle tone and could

stand to improve that, the result of too many hours a day sitting

behind a desk each day.

 

Looking like a swimsuit model when I wear my thong bikini isn't

necessarily my ideal though....having my health, and feeling good,

and feeling good about myself for the rest of my life is. If I

happen to look good in my bikini as a result of approaching my ideal,

that's great, but my ideal is so much greater than that, that's what

makes it an ideal right? I'm still learning about ideals.

 

When I talked with him in October, Doc suggested I figure out what my

ideals were first for any plans that I might have regarding anything

I want to accomplish, from my health to writing, to my career, to

becoming good at RVRI, or whatever.

 

I guess what's important to me is being happy with the choices for my

ideals for what being healthy and in shape means to me....being happy

with it makes it easy to be congruent with it, and that combined with

using the energy medicine and the IDD and GSD I learned makes it a

whole lot easier to accomplish....that's exactly what I've been

finding out all this year.

 

Thanks for your thoughts Barbara Ann and so glad I found this list

with all the knowledgable people here.

 

And now it's time for me to figure out what my ideal of " good muscle

tone " is for me and how to do it...I'm open to ideas there too....

 

Sincerely,

Lori

 

 

healingenergies-

essentialskills , " barbara101ann " <barbara101ann>

wrote:

> Hi Lori and Paulina,

>

> I've thought about what Doc said about being out of shape and

here's

> what I came up with.

>

> Doc is a metal element, and used to be a world class martial arts

> athlete, starting to win competition tournaments back in the 50's,

> through the 60's, and into the 70's and 80's. And then he trained

> others to win those competions up until the present time.

>

> He was a superb athlete. A real 6' 2 " fighting Tiger, tipping the

> scales at a fighting trim of 160 pounds. Legs of steel. Endurance

and

> fighting trim of a triathalon. Could fight continously for 4 hours,

> fighting one black belt after another, until they dropped.

>

> So when Doc makes pictures in his head of what " good shape " really

is

> he is comparing his current physical condition to his previous

> fighting trim condition, and not comparing himself to the normal

low

> health standards of most people his age.

>

> Doc is still a fit human, and very good at what he does, when

compared

> to others that are within either side of him age wise.

>

> We, on the other hand, are looking at a Kung-fu Master, a man that

is

> in his mid 60's, that can whomp butt better than almost any other

> person on the planet. The man that is world famous for being able

to

> hit a man 10-18 times in one second or less. The man that knows dim

> mak and Qi Kong so well that he can devastate another almost

> instantly. A man that is so well training in the healing arts that

he

> is famous for those skills also.

>

> Doc probably ignores that, because to him that stuff is actually

> simple.

>

> Doc is a very proactive type of individual. I do wonder what he is

now

> doing to rectify the situation he has found himself in? I know I'll

be

> surprised the next time I see him in Feb.

>

> Barbara Ann

>

[Guest guest]

Lori -

 

For toning --

 

Since you enjoy precision - you may want to try pilates. (machine

pilates with a trainer -- a trainer who works with dancers will

probably get the quickest results)

 

Or - free weights and a balance ball.

 

Free weights may be better than weight machines at the gym - because

you can control the energy flow better (my experience, anyway)

 

I've got the opposite situation - great muscle tone but way too fat

at the moment. I tend to bulk up with weight lifting -- but it may

be more an indication of my mental state. (muscles = protection).

Also my body type - ecdomorph

 

Since you are a lean type -- weight and resistance training. You're

probably an ectomorph body type.

 

If you haven't done weights before, you may want to work with a

trainer in the beginning. It's fun. Since you're a lean type - you'll

see muscle definition pretty quickly.

 

In terms of an ideal - what do you want to be able to do? Pull-ups?

Climb a wall? Sit-ups for an hour? 20 full pushups - 50? Muscle

tone means how many times can you contract the muscle before

exhausting it. (from what I remember of my old training days).

 

Also - stronger core muscles helps when you have to sit all day -

keeps the vertebrae from collapsing onto each other.

 

 

Helen

 

 

 

 

 

>

> And now it's time for me to figure out what my ideal of " good muscle

> tone " is for me and how to do it...I'm open to ideas there too....

>

> Sincerely,

> Lori

>

[Guest guest]

, Helen

Driscoll <helen@i...> wrote:

>

> Lori -

>

> For toning --

>

> Since you enjoy precision - you may want to try pilates. (machine

> pilates with a trainer -- a trainer who works with dancers will

> probably get the quickest results)

>

> Or - free weights and a balance ball.

>

> Free weights may be better than weight machines at the gym -

because

> you can control the energy flow better (my experience, anyway)

 

I just did a search on the web, there's so much equipment out there I

wouldn't know where to start. So the idea of working with a trainer

is a great idea, someone to steer me through the quagmire of

information and in the direction I want to go.

 

>

> I've got the opposite situation - great muscle tone but way too

fat

> at the moment. I tend to bulk up with weight lifting -- but it

may

> be more an indication of my mental state. (muscles = protection).

> Also my body type - ecdomorph

 

I'm all for the protection factor too.

 

>

> Since you are a lean type -- weight and resistance training.

You're

> probably an ectomorph body type.

 

I looked up ectomorph, yes probably does fit me for the most part.

Long fine limbs and unusually long fingers would describe me.

Everyone tells me I should play the piano because of my fingers. Was

never interested.

 

>

> If you haven't done weights before, you may want to work with a

> trainer in the beginning. It's fun. Since you're a lean type -

you'll

> see muscle definition pretty quickly.

 

OK, now you've convinced me I need to get a trainer, and I like the

quick muscle definition part too.

 

I had chronic pain for a few years and was barely able to walk,

unable to do much. This year I got it turned all around, overcame it.

So now I have no reason not to get back into condition.

 

>

> In terms of an ideal - what do you want to be able to do? Pull-

ups?

> Climb a wall? Sit-ups for an hour? 20 full pushups - 50? Muscle

> tone means how many times can you contract the muscle before

> exhausting it. (from what I remember of my old training days).

 

I'm interested in muscle definition, firm not flabby muscles, and

much more strength. Doubt I could do even 10 pushups right now. I

used to be able to stack 100 lb bales of hay no problem...not that

stacking hay is my goal, but that level of strength.

 

>

> Also - stronger core muscles helps when you have to sit all day -

> keeps the vertebrae from collapsing onto each other.

 

Just that in itself sounds like great incentive to start doing this

training starting right now.

 

Thanks for the great ideas Helen.

 

Lori

 

>

>

> Helen

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > And now it's time for me to figure out what my ideal of " good

muscle

> > tone " is for me and how to do it...I'm open to ideas there too....

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Lori

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lori,

 

One of the most important factors to consider when choosing

equipment, or a training program, is that it be something you

will do consistently.

 

The right trainer can help you get started in the direction that

best suits you.

 

If you are interested in building core strength (which is an

excellent place to start), for a modest investment, you can

get a body ball and a pair of dumbells. I think for you,

7 pound dumbells are appropriate. (My intuition)

 

I have a body ball that I sit on while at my desk, instead of

an office chair. It helps promote good posture. Good posture

helps keep the " energy gates " open, which enhances flow.

 

You might want to do some of your daily energy routine

while sitting on a body ball. See what kind of results you get.

 

Pilates are also excellent for improving muscle tone, and

increasing energy flow.

 

Rick

 

-

" darthon4 " <darthon4

 

Friday, December 23, 2005 1:01 AM

Re: Creeping Up OLD AGE can BREED

Pigs!!!

 

 

> , Helen

> Driscoll <helen@i...> wrote:

>>

>> Lori -

>>

>> For toning --

>>

>> Since you enjoy precision - you may want to try pilates. (machine

>> pilates with a trainer -- a trainer who works with dancers will

>> probably get the quickest results)

>>

>> Or - free weights and a balance ball.

>>

>> Free weights may be better than weight machines at the gym -

> because

>> you can control the energy flow better (my experience, anyway)

>

> I just did a search on the web, there's so much equipment out there I

> wouldn't know where to start. So the idea of working with a trainer

> is a great idea, someone to steer me through the quagmire of

> information and in the direction I want to go.

>

>>

>> I've got the opposite situation - great muscle tone but way too

> fat

>> at the moment. I tend to bulk up with weight lifting -- but it

> may

>> be more an indication of my mental state. (muscles = protection).

>> Also my body type - ecdomorph

>

> I'm all for the protection factor too.

>

>>

>> Since you are a lean type -- weight and resistance training.

> You're

>> probably an ectomorph body type.

>

> I looked up ectomorph, yes probably does fit me for the most part.

> Long fine limbs and unusually long fingers would describe me.

> Everyone tells me I should play the piano because of my fingers. Was

> never interested.

>

>>

>> If you haven't done weights before, you may want to work with a

>> trainer in the beginning. It's fun. Since you're a lean type -

> you'll

>> see muscle definition pretty quickly.

>

> OK, now you've convinced me I need to get a trainer, and I like the

> quick muscle definition part too.

>

> I had chronic pain for a few years and was barely able to walk,

> unable to do much. This year I got it turned all around, overcame it.

> So now I have no reason not to get back into condition.

>

>>

>> In terms of an ideal - what do you want to be able to do? Pull-

> ups?

>> Climb a wall? Sit-ups for an hour? 20 full pushups - 50? Muscle

>> tone means how many times can you contract the muscle before

>> exhausting it. (from what I remember of my old training days).

>

> I'm interested in muscle definition, firm not flabby muscles, and

> much more strength. Doubt I could do even 10 pushups right now. I

> used to be able to stack 100 lb bales of hay no problem...not that

> stacking hay is my goal, but that level of strength.

>

>>

>> Also - stronger core muscles helps when you have to sit all day -

>> keeps the vertebrae from collapsing onto each other.

>

> Just that in itself sounds like great incentive to start doing this

> training starting right now.

>

> Thanks for the great ideas Helen.

>

> Lori

>

>>

>>

>> Helen

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> >

>> > And now it's time for me to figure out what my ideal of " good

> muscle

>> > tone " is for me and how to do it...I'm open to ideas there too....

>> >

>> > Sincerely,

>> > Lori

>> >

>>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Rick,

 

I'll be investing in body balls and dumbells this week.

 

Forgot to mention I do use a rebounder, so that's probably been

keeping me from becoming totally jellylike in condition.

 

I also like to do the cross crawl and reverse jacks while bouncing on

the rebounder, it's fun. Not certain if rebounders do much for

strength though, at least the level I'm aiming for.

 

Thanks for the ideas. Can't wait to try out the body ball as a seat

at my desk too..never would have thought of that one.

 

Lori

 

, " Rick Bowler "

<rick@A...> wrote:

>

> Lori,

>

> One of the most important factors to consider when choosing

> equipment, or a training program, is that it be something you

> will do consistently.

>

> The right trainer can help you get started in the direction that

> best suits you.

>

> If you are interested in building core strength (which is an

> excellent place to start), for a modest investment, you can

> get a body ball and a pair of dumbells. I think for you,

> 7 pound dumbells are appropriate. (My intuition)

>

> I have a body ball that I sit on while at my desk, instead of

> an office chair. It helps promote good posture. Good posture

> helps keep the " energy gates " open, which enhances flow.

>

> You might want to do some of your daily energy routine

> while sitting on a body ball. See what kind of results you get.

>

> Pilates are also excellent for improving muscle tone, and

> increasing energy flow.

>

> Rick

>

> -

> " darthon4 " <darthon4>

>

> Friday, December 23, 2005 1:01 AM

> Re: Creeping Up OLD AGE

can BREED

> Pigs!!!

>

>

> > , Helen

> > Driscoll <helen@i...> wrote:

> >>

> >> Lori -

> >>

> >> For toning --

> >>

> >> Since you enjoy precision - you may want to try pilates.

(machine

> >> pilates with a trainer -- a trainer who works with dancers will

> >> probably get the quickest results)

> >>

> >> Or - free weights and a balance ball.

> >>

> >> Free weights may be better than weight machines at the gym -

> > because

> >> you can control the energy flow better (my experience, anyway)

> >

> > I just did a search on the web, there's so much equipment out

there I

> > wouldn't know where to start. So the idea of working with a

trainer

> > is a great idea, someone to steer me through the quagmire of

> > information and in the direction I want to go.

> >

> >>

> >> I've got the opposite situation - great muscle tone but way too

> > fat

> >> at the moment. I tend to bulk up with weight lifting -- but it

> > may

> >> be more an indication of my mental state. (muscles =

protection).

> >> Also my body type - ecdomorph

> >

> > I'm all for the protection factor too.

> >

> >>

> >> Since you are a lean type -- weight and resistance training.

> > You're

> >> probably an ectomorph body type.

> >

> > I looked up ectomorph, yes probably does fit me for the most part.

> > Long fine limbs and unusually long fingers would describe me.

> > Everyone tells me I should play the piano because of my fingers.

Was

> > never interested.

> >

> >>

> >> If you haven't done weights before, you may want to work with a

> >> trainer in the beginning. It's fun. Since you're a lean type -

> > you'll

> >> see muscle definition pretty quickly.

> >

> > OK, now you've convinced me I need to get a trainer, and I like

the

> > quick muscle definition part too.

> >

> > I had chronic pain for a few years and was barely able to walk,

> > unable to do much. This year I got it turned all around, overcame

it.

> > So now I have no reason not to get back into condition.

> >

> >>

> >> In terms of an ideal - what do you want to be able to do? Pull-

> > ups?

> >> Climb a wall? Sit-ups for an hour? 20 full pushups - 50?

Muscle

> >> tone means how many times can you contract the muscle before

> >> exhausting it. (from what I remember of my old training days).

> >

> > I'm interested in muscle definition, firm not flabby muscles, and

> > much more strength. Doubt I could do even 10 pushups right now. I

> > used to be able to stack 100 lb bales of hay no problem...not that

> > stacking hay is my goal, but that level of strength.

> >

> >>

> >> Also - stronger core muscles helps when you have to sit all day -

> >> keeps the vertebrae from collapsing onto each other.

> >

> > Just that in itself sounds like great incentive to start doing

this

> > training starting right now.

> >

> > Thanks for the great ideas Helen.

> >

> > Lori

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Helen

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> >

> >> > And now it's time for me to figure out what my ideal of " good

> > muscle

> >> > tone " is for me and how to do it...I'm open to ideas there

too....

> >> >

> >> > Sincerely,

> >> > Lori

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

More on fun with balance balls:

 

I think Sharper Image -- or some company like Sharper Image -- makes

a 'chair' that the balance ball fits into. It has rollers. (if you

ever want to use it at work). Very 'executive-geek' looking.

 

I've been using a balance ball for a desk chair for about 5 years -

love it. Everybody used to laugh at me ..... until they tried it

 

You can also flop over it and stretch your back, chest and stomach

muscles. Also use it to stretch hip-flexors (which contract from

sitting all day)

 

I've got a couple of 5 lb weights under my desk - for doing extended-

arm circling exercises. Gets those muscles in the middle of your back

that get stiff when you're working at a computer all day....

 

Helen

 

 

 

>

> Thanks for the ideas. Can't wait to try out the body ball as a seat

> at my desk too..never would have thought of that one.

>

> Lori

>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

Lori,

 

Not sure if I saw Yoga mentioned. Yoga is great for flexibility, core

strength, balance. With the focus on breathing and inner calm, there

is a boost of energy. Being in a group class can be very helpful

especially if others are energy conscious. My energy circuits always

take off during yoga unlike any other mode of exercise.

 

Namaste,

 

Troy

[Guest guest]

And she could look into circle walking and bagua zhang like " the

little master " showed us at crestone, eh troy?

 

hagonee',

 

jim

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I could go for a very chic executive-geek look in my office.

Cool!

 

Lori

 

 

, Helen

Driscoll <helen@i...> wrote:

>

> More on fun with balance balls:

>

> I think Sharper Image -- or some company like Sharper Image --

makes

> a 'chair' that the balance ball fits into. It has rollers. (if you

> ever want to use it at work). Very 'executive-geek' looking.

>

> I've been using a balance ball for a desk chair for about 5 years -

 

> love it. Everybody used to laugh at me ..... until they tried it

>

> You can also flop over it and stretch your back, chest and stomach

> muscles. Also use it to stretch hip-flexors (which contract from

> sitting all day)

>

> I've got a couple of 5 lb weights under my desk - for doing

extended-

> arm circling exercises. Gets those muscles in the middle of your

back

> that get stiff when you're working at a computer all day....

>

> Helen

>

>

>

> >

> > Thanks for the ideas. Can't wait to try out the body ball as a

seat

> > at my desk too..never would have thought of that one.

> >

> > Lori

> >

> >>>>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Troy, Thanks for the ideas,

 

Flexibility could stand to be improved upon. I've haven't done much as

far as yoga goes. I was never able to master that full lotus position

and I gave up :-)

 

Actually, for some reason I was attracted to the Chinese side of things

fairly young, probably because a family member who taught martial arts

took me on as his student until I graduated from highschool.

 

Later I practiced Qigong and associated breathing exercises. I also do

Huna Ha breathing.

 

What I enjoy most right now is working with Energy Medicine. Radiant

circuits drills also work well for boosting my energy too. Have to

admit, the group energy around EM practitioners is pretty awesome too.

 

For inner calm I like to go to level using Silva techniques, and I can

also program while there and get things done while at level if I want

to.

 

 

Lori

 

 

, " tbm36m "

<tbm36m> wrote:

>

> Lori,

>

> Not sure if I saw Yoga mentioned. Yoga is great for flexibility,

core

> strength, balance. With the focus on breathing and inner calm, there

> is a boost of energy. Being in a group class can be very helpful

> especially if others are energy conscious. My energy circuits always

> take off during yoga unlike any other mode of exercise.

>

> Namaste,

>

> Troy

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim!

 

Didn't know you were here The best part of learning the circle

walking was staring into the eyes of 'nat'.

 

I think I remember our teacher saying he used this as a warm up.

 

All the fitness I've done and taught over the years is to augment my

trail running addiction. Yoga strengthens me in the frontal plane,

chi kung keeps me flowing and open and away of danger on the trails,

and weights adds to specific strengthening when my quads, back or

ankle tendons need a boost.

 

Doc is right but he didn't know you were using our common experience

to say hello to a friend.

 

Maybe we can meet again in Feb at Doc's seminar?

 

Cheers,

 

Troy

 

 

, " Jim "

<jfisher843@c...> wrote:

>

> And she could look into circle walking and bagua zhang like " the

> little master " showed us at crestone, eh troy?

>

> hagonee',

>

> jim

>

[Guest guest]

You will find what best works for you.

 

Group energy is contagious and outrageously fun!

 

Silva method is how I first started in mind play.

 

having a good time,

 

Troy

 

 

, " darthon4 "

<darthon4> wrote:

>

> Hi Troy, Thanks for the ideas,

>

> Flexibility could stand to be improved upon. I've haven't done

much as

> far as yoga goes. I was never able to master that full lotus

position

> and I gave up :-)

>

> Actually, for some reason I was attracted to the Chinese side of

things

> fairly young, probably because a family member who taught martial

arts

> took me on as his student until I graduated from highschool.

>

> Later I practiced Qigong and associated breathing exercises. I

also do

> Huna Ha breathing.

>

> What I enjoy most right now is working with Energy Medicine.

Radiant

> circuits drills also work well for boosting my energy too. Have

to

> admit, the group energy around EM practitioners is pretty awesome

too.

>

> For inner calm I like to go to level using Silva techniques, and I

can

> also program while there and get things done while at level if I

want

> to.

>

>

> Lori

>

[Guest guest]

Yep, I never really appreciated the effect of really good group energy

until I attended a couple of Donna Eden workshops this year for the

first time and Doc's last seminar. He took us all to alpha first then

to theta. I had never been to level with so many people before, over

50 of us, and what a great group.

 

I noticed a huge difference between alpha and theta. Alpha was really

peaceful and calm, at theta I was connected telepathically with

everyone in the room. Qute an experience.

 

I'm not familiar with mind play, or maybe I am and don't know it by

that term, what does it involve?

 

Thanks,

Lori

 

 

 

, " tbm36m "

<tbm36m> wrote:

>

> You will find what best works for you.

>

> Group energy is contagious and outrageously fun!

>

> Silva method is how I first started in mind play.

>

> having a good time,

>

> Troy

>

>

[Guest guest]

'Mind play' is just my child-like expression that involves relaxing,

letting go, and having fun. Trying too hard just creates tension in

me.

 

The Buddhist concept of Sangha thrives on group energy. I'm

familiar with the wonderful peaceful states of alpha and theta as

well as the trancy expressive genre as in kundalini and ecstatic

dancing where the body goes on automatic overdrive.

 

I've only seen Donna on video, and its fun to watch how animated,

playful, and bright she gets when she teaches. She's doesn't seem

she's trying too hard. It's all natural and playful.

 

Comments welcome. I'm still new at this and absorbing.

 

:)Troy

 

 

, " darthon4 "

<darthon4> wrote:

>

> Yep, I never really appreciated the effect of really good group

energy

> until I attended a couple of Donna Eden workshops this year for

the

> first time and Doc's last seminar. He took us all to alpha first

then

> to theta. I had never been to level with so many people before,

over

> 50 of us, and what a great group.

>

> I noticed a huge difference between alpha and theta. Alpha was

really

> peaceful and calm, at theta I was connected telepathically with

> everyone in the room. Qute an experience.

>

> I'm not familiar with mind play, or maybe I am and don't know it

by

> that term, what does it involve?

>

> Thanks,

> Lori

>

[Guest guest]

, " tbm36m "

<tbm36m> wrote:

>

> 'Mind play' is just my child-like expression that involves

relaxing,

> letting go, and having fun.

> Trying too hard just creates tension in

> me.

 

That's something I also do, and works for me too. I've gotten into

noticing my chakras and how certain ones respond to situations,

people, especially the third one, that one's my expert at detecting

if something is going to be fun or not for me.

 

>

> The Buddhist concept of Sangha thrives on group energy.

 

I was oblivious to group energy until fairly recently. I'm the type

who you have to inform of something's existence first, the knock

upside the head, then I start noticing. Kind of like the first time I

saw an aura and chakras. I had never taken the time to look for them

before, then all of a sudden I was seeing them. Before then I was

usually absorbed in what I was doing, not paying attention to my

surroundings or internal feelings and images.

 

>I'm

> familiar with the wonderful peaceful states of alpha and theta as

> well as the trancy expressive genre as in kundalini and ecstatic

> dancing where the body goes on automatic overdrive.

>

> I've only seen Donna on video, and its fun to watch how animated,

> playful, and bright she gets when she teaches. She's doesn't seem

> she's trying too hard. It's all natural and playful.

 

What you're seeing is a person whose radiant circuits seem to be

humming all the time. And it's highly contageous!

 

>

> Comments welcome. I'm still new at this and absorbing.

 

I'm a greenhorn myself...always enjoy learning about things from

different angles and different people.

 

>

> :)Troy

>

>

 

Thanks,

Lori