GOATS can't study at the Hai Dian Medical Qigong College in Beijing!

[Guest guest]

---, " kahunamaker " <kahunamaker> wrote:

>

> --- , " John Foxworthy " <qzxb69> wrote:

> > I have recently become interested in the subject of faith

healing?

> > Does anyone have an opinion on this topic? I have studied Chinese

> > medicine and Qigong for some time. Recently, I have realized that

> > these have a spiritual dimension, and I am beginning to believe

> > traditional faith healing is using the same energy, just without

> > accupuncture needles or movement/meditation.

> > Can anyone point me to some good books on religious faith

healing?

> > I am particularly interested in comparing faith healing amongst

> > different religions.

> > Thanks for your help.

> > JF

>

> This has actually been scientifically researched. Many times!

>

> By Dr. Daniel Benor. Two very well done books put out on this.

>

> Dr. Benor is a Medical Doctor and a Psychiatrist. He's also

studied

> NLP, energy psychology, energy healing, religious healing, Dossey,

> blab, blab, blab...

>

> Another person who's done the same work is Phoebe Payne, back in

the

> 40's, with her Psychologist husband.

>

> There are MANY examples of those who've already done the work.

>

> Now, my question is, " what's your POINT? "

>

> What RELIGION are you refering to?

>

> COMPARED to which OTHER religions?

>

> Why are YOU CONCERNED with " faith " ?

>

> What are you going to DO with the information?

>

> I've seen you post this VERY SAME question on many different

sites,

> sites which have their OWN AGENDAS, so they attempt to sell you

> THEIR PRODUCTS, which is fine and good.

>

> Are you doing a research project, or are you a GOAT?

>

> The words GOAT and SHEEP come from the old psychological tests

where

> the non-believers were called GOATS...

>

> ...and the believers were called SHEEP.

>

> Nowadays they call it the placebo or the nocebo.

>

> If someone " thinks " it won't work, he's right.

>

> If someone " thinks " it will work, he's right.

>

> Goat? Sheep?

>

> To get VALID ANSWERS to your questions, in might be real important

> to have better, well formed questions.

>

> What do you think?

>

>

 

You did mention Chi Kung.

 

Well, since there are 4 BIG divisions of Chi Kung, I'm sort of

curious to which one you are refering to?

 

1. Taoist Chi Kung?

 

2. Philosophical Chi Kung?

 

3. Warrior Chi Kung?

 

4. Medical Chi Kung?

 

Infering from your last question, I'm assuming it's Medican Chi Kung.

 

The BEST book on Medical Chi Kung is by Jerry Alan Johnson, " Chinese

Medical QiGong Therapy: A Comprehensive Clinical Text " .

 

It is recent, published in 2000, and Jerry is an old friend of mine

from Colorado Springs, CO, that actually went to China and studied

at the Hai Dian Medical Qigong College in Beijing for his doctorate.

It is one of the 4 foremost Qigong colleges in China.

 

Hell, when I knew Jerry, back in the early 80's I just thought he

was a whimpy nerd.

 

Now I study all that he puts out.

 

Strange how that works.

 

 

GOATs can't study at the Hai Dian Medical Qigong College in Beijing!

[Guest guest]

Hi JF

 

Just a few pointers:

 

Try it for yourself.

 

What happens when you raise your arm above your head? The other arm

gets warmer/more blood. What is happening to your chest circulation,

and your intercostal breathing muscles? You are moving and

reorganizing things in your body!

 

OK, thats just a crude physical effect.

 

Chi Kung also works very powerfully with your body energy awareness.

Awareness can help you prevent all kinds of trouble, and can speed up

recovery of any other trouble. As I am sure Doc can attest, it also

works powerfully for sports and martial arts abilities and skills.

 

Even the imagery it invokes is good for the braincells and mental skills.

 

The spiritual side is open for all willing to broaden their horizons

and invigorate a sense of connectivity and wonder of the universe.

 

Chi Kung is good healthy stuff for anyone, especially those willing to

understand it (and themselves) deeply.

 

Cheers

Vince

 

 

 

, " kahunamaker "

<kahunamaker> wrote:

>

> ---, " kahunamaker " <kahunamaker> wrote:

> >

> > --- , " John Foxworthy " <qzxb69> wrote:

> > > I have recently become interested in the subject of faith

> healing?

> > > Does anyone have an opinion on this topic? I have studied Chinese

> > > medicine and Qigong for some time. Recently, I have realized that

> > > these have a spiritual dimension, and I am beginning to believe

> > > traditional faith healing is using the same energy, just without

> > > accupuncture needles or movement/meditation.

> > > Can anyone point me to some good books on religious faith

> healing?

> > > I am particularly interested in comparing faith healing amongst

> > > different religions.

> > > Thanks for your help.

> > > JF

> >

> > This has actually been scientifically researched. Many times!

> >

> > By Dr. Daniel Benor. Two very well done books put out on this.

> >

> > Dr. Benor is a Medical Doctor and a Psychiatrist. He's also

> studied

> > NLP, energy psychology, energy healing, religious healing, Dossey,

> > blab, blab, blab...

> >

> > Another person who's done the same work is Phoebe Payne, back in

> the

> > 40's, with her Psychologist husband.

> >

> > There are MANY examples of those who've already done the work.

> >

> > Now, my question is, " what's your POINT? "

> >

> > What RELIGION are you refering to?

> >

> > COMPARED to which OTHER religions?

> >

> > Why are YOU CONCERNED with " faith " ?

> >

> > What are you going to DO with the information?

> >

> > I've seen you post this VERY SAME question on many different

> sites,

> > sites which have their OWN AGENDAS, so they attempt to sell you

> > THEIR PRODUCTS, which is fine and good.

> >

> > Are you doing a research project, or are you a GOAT?

> >

> > The words GOAT and SHEEP come from the old psychological tests

> where

> > the non-believers were called GOATS...

> >

> > ...and the believers were called SHEEP.

> >

> > Nowadays they call it the placebo or the nocebo.

> >

> > If someone " thinks " it won't work, he's right.

> >

> > If someone " thinks " it will work, he's right.

> >

> > Goat? Sheep?

> >

> > To get VALID ANSWERS to your questions, in might be real important

> > to have better, well formed questions.

> >

> > What do you think?

> >

> >

>

> You did mention Chi Kung.

>

> Well, since there are 4 BIG divisions of Chi Kung, I'm sort of

> curious to which one you are refering to?

>

> 1. Taoist Chi Kung?

>

> 2. Philosophical Chi Kung?

>

> 3. Warrior Chi Kung?

>

> 4. Medical Chi Kung?

>

> Infering from your last question, I'm assuming it's Medican Chi Kung.

>

> The BEST book on Medical Chi Kung is by Jerry Alan Johnson, " Chinese

> Medical QiGong Therapy: A Comprehensive Clinical Text " .

>

> It is recent, published in 2000, and Jerry is an old friend of mine

> from Colorado Springs, CO, that actually went to China and studied

> at the Hai Dian Medical Qigong College in Beijing for his doctorate.

> It is one of the 4 foremost Qigong colleges in China.

>

> Hell, when I knew Jerry, back in the early 80's I just thought he

> was a whimpy nerd.

>

> Now I study all that he puts out.

>

> Strange how that works.

>

>

> GOATs can't study at the Hai Dian Medical Qigong College in Beijing!

>

[flbntz]

The Biology of Belief, and The Isaiah Effect might be interesting books for you to check out. You can get them through amazon.com.

 

David Emrich, O.D., M.Q.T.

Doctor of Optometry

Medical Qigong Therapist