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--- , " slinden " <st.ld@v...> wrote:

 

> Making it Easy to Change your Beliefs

 

Well, I'm looking forward to reading this!

 

> When we experience an undesireable reality, we have to back-track

> and ask ourself: " What would I have to be believing in order to

> create such a Reality " ?

 

Well, this is one approach. What else?

 

> Once we then get in touch with this belief that is creating the

> undesired outcome, we can decide and choose our preferred belief -

> what belief we would like to REPLACE this earlier belief with.

 

Can you give an example?

 

Right now I'm hallucinating a whole bunch of different tangents.

 

> So, then we adopt this new preferred-belief. Ah...but here's where

>it gets " tricky " .

 

Yes, I'll bet it does, because what you just stated is not easy to

do for most folks.

 

Lets see how you approach it.

 

>Often, people find

> themselves " slipping back " to the old unpreferred-belief. Why?

> Usually, because they have this deep-seated sense (this underlying

> gut feeling) that, somehow, the old belief is " more real " , " more

> solid " , more " how things really are " , than the new preferred-

> belief.

 

Nope.

 

Not the case at all.

 

Pure and simple, beliefs are old habits. Habits that are normally

put in at an early age by some other person, school, church or

authority figure.

 

Those habits are entrenched on the cellular levels and on the energy

levels, especially in the chakras, and in the Triple Warmer meridian.

 

There is normally never any consciousness about those old beliefs,or

those energy blockages, especially if the person is above the age of

12 or 13. By then the belief habit is so entrenched that they don't

even know it exists.

 

> So, how we can make the new preferred belief " stick " ? The

> critical factor is this:

> Getting used to the idea that

> There is no reality, except for the reality you define

> (according to your beliefs).

 

Actually that is a reframe, and the reframe will not work unless it

is in alignment with your previous beliefs.

 

So, what frames are you placing on the old habit so the new habit

will transplant it?

 

> Getting used to the idea that

> There is no reality, except for whatever you define your

> reality to be.

 

Sorry this has virtually nothing to do with erasing old non-

functional beliefs and replaced them with new and better beliefs.

 

Well I just deleted a bunch of jaberwocky, non-supported arguments

and invalid reasoning that virtually had nothing to do with belief

transplants.

 

I wonder why you are attempting to baffle this group with bull?

 

> Like starting a painting:

> It's an empty canvas with infinte possibilites.

> " Empty " because there is NO " inherent real reality "

> at all!

 

No it's not.

 

The painting metaphor is not isomorphic enough to fit the context of

belief transplanting.

 

> " Infinite Possibilites " because reality can be

> ANYTHING you define it to be, according to your definitions, your

> beliefs.

 

No it's not.

 

Infinite possibilities is stinking thinking for a person that

believes they are inferior, or that they are not smart enough, or

that they are too old.

 

It is just not specific enough.

 

These people need to look at what they want instead, and then to

notice what stops them from getting it or becoming it.

 

Do the really want it?

 

Do they have the opportunity to achieve it?

 

Do they have the motivation to get off their butt and go for it?

 

> When this really " sinks in " . When you truly " get " , " grok " , and

> understand that there is no " real " reality, you will no longer

> have that lingering feeling that the old belief is more " real "

> than your new preferred belief.

 

That is so confusing.

 

Susan Prowder KNEW she was losing weight and her new life style was

working for her when her fat thighs no longer slapped together when

she walked!

 

That was REAL evidence that what she was doing was working!

 

People need convincers that what they are doing will succeed.

 

They need HOPE based upon there own EXPERIENCES in what they see, in

what they feel physically, in what they hear, in what they feel

emotionally.

 

A philosophical dissertation does NOT do a damn thing, ever!

 

>You will thereby not feel any deep-

> seated " need " to slip back to the old belief, because it is

somehow more representative of " the real world " .

 

No.

 

You've missed the boat entirely.

 

Beliefs can be changed in several ways, but you've not yet mentioned

any of the ones that actually work. Sorry, you are not even close.

 

> You can then easily accept and adopt whatever definitions of

reality

> are most aligned with the " you " that you prefer,

> and most aligned with the " reality " you would prefer to experience.

 

Well if you hallucinate that you are 7 feet tall and you are an NBA

basketball star, but you are only 5 feet 5 inches tall and weight

250 pounds, your hallucination will not help you.

 

If you believe you are Gods gift to men, and you've no evidence to

support that hallucination, you will be facing some horrible

ridicule.

 

> And if you find yourself, once again " slipping back " to previous

> undesireable reality-definitions, then simply sit back and spend

> more time contemplating these ideas about:

> There is no " basic " reality that is any " more real " than any

> other reality.

> There are only the realities generated by any belief.

> All beliefs are equally-valid, equally-real.

 

I really can't believe that someone believes the above.

 

If they do, they are probably living in Salem, at B North in the

hospital (the mental ward), or doing much LSD.

 

> Then in realizing that your new-preferred belief is just as valid,

> and just as " real " , as your older undesired belief, simply choose

to effortlessly adopt your new preferred belief.

 

You state, " simple choose to effortlessly... " . What is this?

 

It been pretty damn well established in both the scientific realm,

the psychological realm and in the metaphysical realm that beliefs

cannot be changed unless...

 

....they are very painful. So you move away from them.

 

For example, if you think you are tough and you go into a bar and

pretend to be touch, some knarly guy is going to bust you in the

chops to get you to prove your point. Toughness and competence in

fighting takes more than a " pretend " .

 

You want something enough, so you do what it takes to get it. You

believe x is posible for others. You believe it is possible for you.

You really desire it. You expect that if you do what it takes, you

will get it.

 

I got to say it, I've never seen such poor and non-workable belief

change drills in my life!

 

And belief change is rather easy to do.

 

It can be done through a significant emotional response. ie, as in

the above example where the guy thought he was tough, his

experiences showed him he need to do more to make that a reality.

 

Belief change can be installed through hypnosis. This trance state

needs to be reinforced for 21-30 for it to work sort-of. And then

needs to be re-inforced by behavior changes and refresher hypnotic

sessions.

 

Belief change can be done through affirmations, after the opposing

fears and beliefs that are in the way of the new wanted belief are

erased from the energy field with Energy Psychology, use of the

meridians, the neurovasculars and the endocrine system.

 

Belief change can be done through used of the brains sensory

equipment and the micro-parts of the modalities. In fact some of

these neat brain tuning procedures take only minutes!

 

We have fantastic energy tools and mind tools that really do work

well.

 

Wishy washy hoping does not work, has never worked, and will never

work.

 

My point is, a philosophical discussion of, " let's believe x because

I realize the universe is not real " , just does not work for anyone

unless they are mentally incompetant.

 

I expected a much better answer on this topic.

Sandy Godheart