And interesting comment by a recent joiner. Please comment on his statement.

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>> karnautrahl Feb 3, 2006

>>Hi I'm a straightfoward energy work healer

 

Well, " straightforward " presupposes they are up front, honest, they do what

works.

 

Energy work healer presupposes that there are various types of healers AND that

there are various types of people who do energy work.

 

who's been doing it by

>>instinct

 

This is where the presuppositions get really interesting. What is the

difference between someone who does something by instinct vs someone who does

something by intuition?

 

Instinct presupposes a skill that is universal to a species. For instance,

animals have instincts about which foods are safe to eat and which ones are

poisonos, even though they've not been taught. Certain species of birds have

instincts about when to go South or North. They also have excellent sense of

direction, which they are born with -- an instinct.

 

Had the writer chosen to say " intuition " instead of instinct, that has yet

another set of presuppositions. Even though " intuition " is NOT the word the

writer used, it is still beneficial to examine this.

 

" Intuition " presupposes feelings based on PREVIOUS learnings and PREVIOUS

experiences.

 

The choice of " instinct " instead presupposes a skill that is available to the

species (or at least race).

 

 

since I was quite young, before my teens. I'm joining to

>>learn what I didn't get around to learning however LOL

 

 

There are a couple of REALLY NEAT things here. The person presupposes that they

do, in fact, have previous learnings.

 

A good question would be when did those learnings take place? Did they take

place in the form of " feedback " while acting on " instinct " ? Did they take the

form of learnings PRIOR to this time around? If so, then " instinct " could very

well be replaced with " intuition " .

 

They also presuppose that there ARE things they don't know yet. And the things

they know are because they LEARNED them. The things they don't know yet are

because THEY didn't get around to learning those things YET.

 

Notice, then, that they presuppose that THEY are fully responsible for their own

learnings.

 

What's the difference between someone who is responsible for their own life and

their own learnings vs. someone who just wants " God " to " give " them knowledge

that hasn't been earned?

 

What's the difference between someone who takes an INTELLIGENT approach to what

they know versus someone who gets pissed off and stomps off bhile badmouthing

the list owner who asked them CLARITY questions to help them get better at what

they say they want to do?

 

I'm not saying that someone who refuses to learn more to improve their intutions

IS STUPID. I'm just saying that the person who wrote this post is pretty darn

smart and intelligent and realizes that if they are going to learn anything at

all, it is up to them.

 

So even though they signed up here to learn, they take responsibility for what

they do or do not learn.

 

Really neat presuppositions, Really KOOL post!

 

Thanks!

 

Jim

" Using Energies For Remote Influence And For Having Better Sex! "

 

 

>

>And interesting comment by a recent joiner. Please comment on his

>statement.

>

>The presuppositions are NEATER than Hell!

>

>

[Guest guest]

, " James R.

Knippenberg " <erommel wrote:

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> >> karnautrahl Feb 3, 2006

> >>Hi I'm a straightfoward energy work healer

 

For me, that was the best description that occurred to me at the time.

 

> Well, " straightforward " presupposes they are up front, honest, they

do what works.

Yes, I¡¦m motivated to learn to use processes and techniques that will

work for sure.

 

>Energy work healer presupposes that there are various types of

healers AND that >there are various types of people who do energy

work.

It is a presupposition of mine that energy work definitly exists,

simply because of the experiences I¡¦ve had. This by it¡¦s nature

might seem that I¡¦ve excluded the opposing viewpoint to this.

 

>> who's been doing it by

>> instinct

At the date of posting I hadn¡¦t gotten into the language games that

NLP and perhaps newer techniques that I haven¡¦t yet discovered can be

used to play.

 

> This is where the presuppositions get really interesting. What is

the difference >between someone who does something by instinct vs

someone who does something >by intuition?

Now, I confess, this could lead to word salad. I didn¡¦t separate the

definitions. Of course perhaps I should have done. You¡¦ve done a nice

job of that already ļ.

 

> Instinct presupposes a skill that is universal to a species. For

instance, animals have >instincts about which foods are safe to eat

and which ones are poisonos, even though >they've not been taught.

Certain species of birds have instincts about when to go >South or

North. They also have excellent sense of direction, which they are

born >with -- an instinct.

 

> Had the writer chosen to say " intuition " instead of instinct, that

has yet another set >of presuppositions. Even though " intuition " is

NOT the word the writer used, it is >still beneficial to examine this.

 

Are you having fun with this LOL¡K

 

> " Intuition " presupposes feelings based on PREVIOUS learnings and

PREVIOUS experiences.

>

> The choice of " instinct " instead presupposes a skill that is

available to the species (or at least race).

>

>

> >since I was quite young, before my teens. I'm joining to

> >learn what I didn't get around to learning however LOL

 

 

> There are a couple of REALLY NEAT things here. The person

presupposes that >they do, in fact, have previous learnings.

> A good question would be when did those learnings take place? Did

they take place >in the form of " feedback " while acting

on " instinct " ? Did they take the form of >learnings PRIOR to this

time around? If so, then " instinct " could very well be >replaced

with " intuition " .

Feedback learning did happen. I tried something, messing about with

ideas (dangerous things those apparently-especially when a 7 year old

gets hold of them and tries hard to use them) that I found in Lobsang

Rampa¡¦s 3rd Eye. I never levitated, but I did make tingles,

electrical thingies in my spine and heat.

 

> They also presuppose that there ARE things they don't know yet.

And the things >they know are because they LEARNED them. The things

they don't know yet are >because THEY didn't get around to learning

those things YET.

There better had be!! It would be really dull to find there wasn¡¦t

any new things to learn that work better and faster.

 

> Notice, then, that they presuppose that THEY are fully responsible

for their own >learnings.

On any level, aren¡¦t we all? Whether it¡¦s unconscious, conscious or

perhaps superconscious (using labels from one particular model here

of course-feel free to fill in alternates as necessary). I know that

I create my own luck for sure!

 

 

> What's the difference between someone who is responsible for their

own life and >their own learnings vs. someone who just wants " God "

to " give " them knowledge >that hasn't been earned?

Some folks don¡¦t want to make an effort to study and learn, and they

hope that deep faith alone is enough. Occasionally I bet that¡¦s

worked in isolated cases too. My own belief is simple. If I want to

learn stuff, I have to study it. Right now, I¡¦ve got my head in as

many books on NLP and similar as I can fit into the waking hours of a

day-because it¡¦s something I didn¡¦t know worked before.

 

> What's the difference between someone who takes an INTELLIGENT

approach to >what they know versus someone who gets pissed off and

stomps off bhile >badmouthing the list owner who asked them CLARITY

questions to help them get >better at what they say they want to do?

??? Did I miss a whole lot of posts here LOL. It¡¦s very possible. Or

are you talking to someone else ļ

 

> I'm not saying that someone who refuses to learn more to improve

their intutions IS STUPID. I'm just saying that the person who wrote

this post is pretty darn smart and intelligent and realizes that if

they are going to learn anything at all, it is up to them.

>

> So even though they signed up here to learn, they take

responsibility for what they do or do not learn.

>

> Really neat presuppositions, Really KOOL post!

>

 

> Thanks!

>

> Jim

> " Using Energies For Remote Influence And For Having Better Sex! "

>

>

> >

> >And interesting comment by a recent joiner. Please comment on his

> >statement.

> >

> >The presuppositions are NEATER than Hell!

> >

> >

 

>

 

If I look at the last couple of paragraphs as a response to myself

then I can choose to confuse myself royally . Instead, I¡¦m going to

assume that it¡¦s aimed at more people than myself and not confuse

myself LOL.

 

Regards

Richard