Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Hi Doc, Walter, Phil, Helen, Group. > I found a lot of interesting presuppositions embedded in there. I will only > ask you about one sentence full of them. You said, " I know I am not allowed > to try to " cure " psychoses. " Not allowed by whom? And why would it be try? " Not allowed " by the laws of my country that tends to think that there is NO WAY to cure psychoses other than drugs. If someone noticed that I was " trying to cure " a psychosis I'd get into real trouble. So far I didn't show negative presuppositions. At least in what I wanted to say. (by the way: by looking for something else I accidentally found out that Borderline isn't really a psychosis and how to treat it with hypnosis. OK. Forget about that. Let's think about that again in a few months.) > And why cure and not teach her how to fix herself covertly/overtly or even > by accident of just doing a drill? That's exactly what I meant with: > But what can I do to help these girls lead their lives? > (maybe to a point where it never shows up again? ) Might have been due to language problems that didn't become clear. > First of all, think carefully about the law of allowing. I am. With remote reiki that's one of the first things they tell you. Didn't care about it too much in the beginning but mostly because I was too " fearful " to ask people before. Now I ask sometimes - and most times I just let it be the way it is. > Examine your motives for wanting to fix other people and see if > there's anything you need to take care of. Good point. What are my motives? For one girl: I saw how her extremely low self-confidence affected her and I thougt: YOU CAN help her! Most of what we talked in all those hours afterwards was about that topic and she showed a lot of interest and will to change. The other two girls: The brother / a good friend contacted me because they have come to realise that rational arguing doesn't help AT ALL. I hardly know these girls. Wow. Thinking about my motives here makes my head spin. Especially when I think about > Look after yourself and your well-being first. OK. Stop. Next point. > You can always just mention resources like emofree.com and > point the direction of a competent energy-psychology or related > practitioner in your area. Perhaps if you mention where you are, > someone on this list can come forward. I am from germany. I don't know about any energy-psychology practitioner anywhere close to where I live. But let's specify one of my questions: If I introduced them to energy psychology in any way... what should I suggest they start working with? - Some memories that may have caused everything??? - Deinstalling negative beliefs, then installing positive ones? Any concrete proposals for negative self-image / low self-confidence? I'll answer > If the women you describe are as disturbed as you say, I would suggest > that it is going to require a high degree of skill and experience to > help them. Probably a professional level of skill in fact. If you > don't have that level of skill, these women are not your > responsibility, end of story. combined with > So the question is : how do they live their lives now and how do they > interact with their world? Girl 1 has " finished " therapy long time ago and is studying at university. I think she hasn't cut herself since her therapy. But, like mentioned, she is still suffering very much from her low self-confidence that has been amplified by her ex-boyfriend telling her " who else than me should ever like you? " . She thinks she is unlovable. I know another girl that isn't diagnosed with any mental illness but also suffers very much from this problem. So again: Where to start with Energy Psychology? Girl 2 has passed through several therapies. Also studying at university. Not long ago she told my friend " I've done it again. I just couldn't resist. It feels so good. So freeing. " She lives too far from me to talk to her in person. I thought about introducing her to energy psychology. I just don't know what to tell her where to start. Girl 3 is completely messing up her entire life and family. She doesn't show any discernment why she should go into therapy. Now she's pregnant and it just hurts to think about what the circumstances mean for the child. I think all I would have tried would have been using my natural convincing personality to persuade her to go into therapy. On the other hand it would be bumptious to just walk into her life as a more or less unknown person and talking to her about a mental illness she doesn't recognize. So... maybe I could teach her brother some things about energy psychology that he might try to get her to do... Doc, thanks for the " nibbling at the bait " thing. Somehow it's so obvious and in the last weeks I've more and more recognized people doing it constantly in advertising etc etc. But on the other hand I've always tried to explain energy psychology in a general sense which is doomed to fail because seemingly people just can't accept something new as long as it is general like " tremendous successes in other countries " blabla. When I told about " we cured X's arachnophobia in 20 minutes!!! " people always got far more interested because it's something they could relate to. Why didn't I get it REALLY for myself? > Now, about Michael. RV him and notice if he is fearful of not being > successful, okay? Well, if anyone is already at it, please RV also what other blockages I have concerning " receiving " . I can't get a simple " yes " or " no " from a pendulum or something like that. Not even reliable results when energy testing. Not to talk about remote viewing (I AM doing the drills but so far I am mostly focusing on deepening my trance because I want to exclude that's the problem). Or even image streaming. What's wrong with me? > With maybe a combination of " I think I'll screw it up " ? Just a bit. If I am not sure I CAN be succesful I don't even try. When I've started I focus on being succesful. But " I think I'll screw it up " MAY BE what keeps me from trying oh so often... > And with a bit more other awayfroms that should be ERASED from his > energy body with the INNER DEMON DESTROYER. I've only got the whole EP interactive program and another book by Fred Gallo. I hope that doesn't lessen my chances of being successful too much. Again: Any hints on where to start...? > Which is what his post was about. Hm. Erasing insecurities. Installing confidence. Maybe it's really more about me than I thought in the beginning. Thanks. For ANY old and new answers and hints. 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Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Michael, There is a list of EFT Practitioners in Germany now. You can go onto www.emofree.com and look them up. Just choose Germany as the country. Here are some other Energy Psychology sites from Europe: http://www.energypsych.com/Content/certpract-list.htm - practitioners in Germany. http://www.healer.ch/ - Switzerland Blessings, Sally psychaelic <psychael wrote: Hi Doc, Walter, Phil, Helen, Group.> I found a lot of interesting presuppositions embedded in there. Iwill only> ask you about one sentence full of them. You said, "I know I am notallowed> to try to "cure" psychoses." Not allowed by whom? And why would itbe try?"Not allowed" by the laws of my country that tends to think that thereis NO WAY to cure psychoses other than drugs. If someone noticed thatI was "trying to cure" a psychosis I'd get into real trouble.So far I didn't show negative presuppositions.At least in what I wanted to say. (by the way: by looking for something else I accidentally found outthat Borderline isn't really a psychosis and how to treat it withhypnosis. OK. Forget about that. Let's think about that again in a fewmonths.)> And why cure and not teach her how to fix herself covertly/overtlyor even> by accident of just doing a drill?That's exactly what I meant with:> But what can I do to help these girls lead their lives?> (maybe to a point where it never shows up again? )Might have been due to language problems that didn't become clear.> First of all, think carefully about the law of allowing.I am. With remote reiki that's one of the first things they tell you.Didn't care about it too much in the beginning but mostly because Iwas too "fearful" to ask people before. Now I ask sometimes - and mosttimes I just let it be the way it is.> Examine your motives for wanting to fix other people and see if> there's anything you need to take care of.Good point. What are my motives? For one girl: I saw how her extremely low self-confidence affected herand I thougt:YOU CAN help her! Most of what we talked in all those hours afterwards was about thattopic and she showed a lot of interest and will to change.The other two girls:The brother / a good friend contacted me because they have come torealise that rational arguing doesn't help AT ALL. I hardly know thesegirls.Wow.Thinking about my motives here makes my head spin.Especially when I think about> Look after yourself and your well-being first.OK. Stop.Next point.> You can always just mention resources like emofree.com and> point the direction of a competent energy-psychology or related> practitioner in your area. Perhaps if you mention where you are,> someone on this list can come forward.I am from germany. I don't know about any energy-psychologypractitioner anywhere close to where I live. But let's specify one of my questions:If I introduced them to energy psychology in any way...what should I suggest they start working with?- Some memories that may have caused everything???- Deinstalling negative beliefs, then installing positive ones?Any concrete proposals for negative self-image / low self-confidence?I'll answer > If the women you describe are as disturbed as you say, I would suggest> that it is going to require a high degree of skill and experience to> help them. Probably a professional level of skill in fact. If you> don't have that level of skill, these women are not your> responsibility, end of story.combined with> So the question is : how do they live their lives now and how do they > interact with their world?Girl 1 has "finished" therapy long time ago and is studying at university.I think she hasn't cut herself since her therapy.But, like mentioned, she is still suffering very much from her lowself-confidence that has been amplified by her ex-boyfriend tellingher "who else than me should ever like you?".She thinks she is unlovable.I know another girl that isn't diagnosed with any mental illness butalso suffers very much from this problem. So again:Where to start with Energy Psychology?Girl 2 has passed through several therapies. Also studying at university.Not long ago she told my friend "I've done it again. I just couldn't resist. It feels so good. Sofreeing."She lives too far from me to talk to her in person.I thought about introducing her to energy psychology. I just don'tknow what to tell her where to start.Girl 3 is completely messing up her entire life and family.She doesn't show any discernment why she should go into therapy.Now she's pregnant and it just hurts to think about what thecircumstances mean for the child. I think all I would have tried wouldhave been using my natural convincing personality to persuade her togo into therapy. On the other hand it would be bumptious to just walkinto her life as a more or less unknown person and talking to herabout a mental illness she doesn't recognize.So... maybe I could teach her brother some things about energypsychology that he might try to get her to do... Doc, thanks for the "nibbling at the bait" thing.Somehow it's so obvious and in the last weeks I've more and morerecognized people doing it constantly in advertising etc etc.But on the other hand I've always tried to explain energy psychologyin a general sense which is doomed to fail because seemingly peoplejust can't accept something new as long as it is general like"tremendous successes in other countries" blabla.When I told about "we cured X's arachnophobia in 20 minutes!!!" peoplealways got far more interested because it's something they couldrelate to.Why didn't I get it REALLY for myself?> Now, about Michael. RV him and notice if he is fearful of not being > successful, okay?Well, if anyone is already at it, please RV also what other blockagesI have concerning "receiving". I can't get a simple "yes" or "no" froma pendulum or something like that.Not even reliable results when energy testing.Not to talk about remote viewing (I AM doing the drills but so far Iam mostly focusing on deepening my trance because I want to excludethat's the problem).Or even image streaming.What's wrong with me?> With maybe a combination of "I think I'll screw it up"?Just a bit. If I am not sure I CAN be succesful I don't even try.When I've started I focus on being succesful.But "I think I'll screw it up" MAY BE what keeps me from trying oh sooften...> And with a bit more other awayfroms that should be ERASED from his > energy body with the INNER DEMON DESTROYER.I've only got the whole EP interactive program and another book byFred Gallo.I hope that doesn't lessen my chances of being successful too much.Again: Any hints on where to start...?> Which is what his post was about.Hm.Erasing insecurities. Installing confidence.Maybe it's really more about me than I thought in the beginning.Thanks.For ANY old and new answers and hints.Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 , " psychaelic " <psychael wrote: Hey Michael, [ snip ] > > > First of all, think carefully about the law of allowing. > > I am. With remote reiki that's one of the first things they tell you. > Didn't care about it too much in the beginning but mostly because I > was too " fearful " to ask people before. Now I ask sometimes - and most > times I just let it be the way it is. You know, I found out quite recently about a charity called 'Healing Hands'. They send therapists in to do free massages and stuff with the victims of the Balkan conflicts. And they take those therapists back out after exactly two weeks, because otherwise, the therapists don't want to leave. They just want to stay in the camps full of broken, raped, traumatised women trying to fix them all. And of course, back home, the therapist's life collapses. Funny huh? [ snip ] > > Good point. > What are my motives? > > For one girl: I saw how her extremely low self-confidence affected her > and I thougt: > YOU CAN help her! > Most of what we talked in all those hours afterwards was about that > topic and she showed a lot of interest and will to change. Well, cool. Can and have to are different flavours of ice-cream. So do what I do. Send her to www.emofree.com. Maybe get her to read this group. Maybe get her to buy Donna, Gary and David's new book. > The other two girls: > The brother / a good friend contacted me because they have come to > realise that rational arguing doesn't help AT ALL. I hardly know these > girls. > > Wow. > Thinking about my motives here makes my head spin. > Especially when I think about > > > Look after yourself and your well-being first. > > OK. Stop. > Next point. Remember, you can always tap for yourself. I'm very clear about my limits. Doc taught me a long time ago that good therapists have rules and the rules come first. There's a rule about how much client's pay, and you don't bend it. If they can't afford it, they can earn it or go elsewhere. Similarly, I'm clear about exactly how many people I can help, and exactly what sort of people they have to be. Any feelings that interfere with those rules too much get tapped out. Because the rules keep me happy, healthy, sane and doing good work for the right people. Rather than miserable, ill, burned out and doing poor work for too many people. > > You can always just mention resources like emofree.com and > > point the direction of a competent energy-psychology or related > > practitioner in your area. Perhaps if you mention where you are, > > someone on this list can come forward. > > I am from germany. I don't know about any energy-psychology > practitioner anywhere close to where I live. Have a look on www.emofree.com and type 'germany' into the search box. > But let's specify one of my questions: > If I introduced them to energy psychology in any way... > what should I suggest they start working with? > - Some memories that may have caused everything??? > - Deinstalling negative beliefs, then installing positive ones? > Any concrete proposals for negative self-image / low self-confidence? I would consider the 'personal peace procedure' from Gary Craig's site. I would also suggest they learn to tap or do some other intervention in times of stress or crisis. That'll be a good start. With regard to your descriptions of the girls, and for you too, here's an easy route into Energy Psych in my opinion. 1. Get Gary, David and Donna's book. 2. Read the tutorials on emofree.com. 3. Read the rest of emofree.com. 4. Probably get Doc's IDD DVDs, I only say probably because I haven't seen them but I rate every other experience I've ever had with Doc highly. 5. Get Gary's DVDs too. [ snip ] > > Erasing insecurities. Installing confidence. > > Maybe it's really more about me than I thought in the beginning. Newsflash: It's all about you, every day, all the time. Just like my stuff is all about me, every day, all the time. I think someone posted recently that we all have our own filters. So there you are. Good job Michael, take care of yourself. All the best, Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 healingenergies- essentialskills , " phillipmattingly " <phil wrote: > > healingenergies- essentialskills , " psychaelic " > <psychael@> wrote: > > Hey Michael, > > [ snip ] > > > > > First of all, think carefully about the law of allowing. > > > > I am. With remote reiki that's one of the first things they tell you. > > Didn't care about it too much in the beginning but mostly because I > > was too " fearful " to ask people before. Now I ask sometimes - and most > > times I just let it be the way it is. > > You know, I found out quite recently about a charity called 'Healing > Hands'. They send therapists in to do free massages and stuff with the > victims of the Balkan conflicts. > > And they take those therapists back out after exactly two weeks, > because otherwise, the therapists don't want to leave. They just want > to stay in the camps full of broken, raped, traumatised women trying > to fix them all. > > And of course, back home, the therapist's life collapses. > > Funny huh? Yep. Real funny. Too bad those therapists don't know the INNER DEMON DESTROYER and how to use those secrets on their clients energies and their own energies. It's nice to have a " simple enough " to be effective technology, that is fairly easy to do, the BOTH erases negative emotions and INSTALLS positive emotions and beliefs in a very quick time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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