I went to a masonic meeting the other day and...

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In a message dated 3/4/06 3:26:46 PM, docspeed2001 writes:

 

 

And I asked a question. "Who are you wanting to attract?"

 

No one had an answer.

 

Wow!

 

What is this post about?

 

 

My sense of what this post was about, is an example of unfocused thinking as it is displayed in a group environment. Without a "Target Audience" in mind, the focus becomes diffused and no real plan of action can be formulated. I guess the same goes of personal activities as well. A well-formed outcome will dictate the steps one has to make and take in order to achieve it?

 

Paulina

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I went to a masonic meeting the other day and met some old

acquaintances...

 

....and listened to their talk as they had their fellowship...

 

....one talked about " needing moring WORKER BEES... "

 

....another talked about how the " ritual " was the entire thing to be

there for...

 

 

....another talked about " how we were there to help people who needed

help " ...

 

....another talked about how that was NOT true, " but we were there to

help widows and orphans " ...

 

....another talked about declining memberships...

 

....another talked about how dumbing down the ritual had NOT help

membership in California, and in other places...

 

....another talked about " making all their secrets easily and more

available to the general public " ...

 

And I asked a question. " Who are you wanting to attract? "

 

No one had an answer.

 

Wow!

 

What is this post about?

 

 

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1. With any event or task each will respond by type.

Without an overriding goal to direct, the individuals will simply

bump heads misunderstanding each other, assuming this and that.

 

2. Why try to divide an ounce of gold amongst 1000 people.

 

3. The fellowship groups, dogmatic higharchies ect are losing ground,

the once proud and powerful leaders teeth are getting loose.

 

The wheel turns. As always.

 

JohnT

 

 

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healingenergies-

essentialskills , " docspeed2001 " <docspeed2001

wrote:

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> I went to a masonic meeting the other day and met some old

> acquaintances...

>

> ...and listened to their talk as they had their fellowship...

>

> ...one talked about " needing moring WORKER BEES... "

>

> ...another talked about how the " ritual " was the entire thing to be

> there for...

>

>

> ...another talked about " how we were there to help people who

needed

> help " ...

>

> ...another talked about how that was NOT true, " but we were there

to

> help widows and orphans " ...

>

> ...another talked about declining memberships...

>

> ...another talked about how dumbing down the ritual had NOT help

> membership in California, and in other places...

>

> ...another talked about " making all their secrets easily and more

> available to the general public " ...

>

> And I asked a question. " Who are you wanting to attract? "

>

> No one had an answer.

>

> Wow!

>

> What is this post about?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, " docspeed2001 "

<docspeed2001 wrote:

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> I went to a masonic meeting the other day and met some old

> acquaintances...

>

> ...and listened to their talk as they had their fellowship...

>

> ...one talked about " needing moring WORKER BEES... "

>

> ...another talked about how the " ritual " was the entire thing to be

> there for...

>

> ...another talked about " how we were there to help people who needed

> help " ...

>

> ...another talked about how that was NOT true, " but we were there to

> help widows and orphans " ...

>

> ...another talked about declining memberships...

>

> ...another talked about how dumbing down the ritual had NOT help

> membership in California, and in other places...

>

> ...another talked about " making all their secrets easily and more

> available to the general public " ...

>

> And I asked a question. " Who are you wanting to attract? "

>

> No one had an answer.

>

> Wow!

>

> What is this post about?

 

I think it's a post about getting what you want. The underlying point

seems to be that the masons above aren't getting what they want. Why

could this be?

 

1. They are focused on the problem(s) not the solution. Or put another

way, they are focused on what they don't want, but they haven't

thought specifically about what they do want. Which is as you

mentioned earlier is step 1 of the four keys to success.

 

2. They all seem to have slightly different outcomes... I guess they

don't know how to chunk up to a positive outcome they can all agree

on. Like 'what's important about dumbing down the ritual / making

secerts more available' etc etc?

 

3. It is vital to be specific. Being specific can really help. Last

month, I went to level on the first day of the month and I did the

three scenes technique from Doc's RV/RI CD course. I programmed to

have a certain, specific positive balance in my bank account by the

end of the month. I repeated it each night for about a week and then I

forgot all about it.

 

Guess how much I had in my bank account on the last day of the month?

 

Bearing in mind that I did take action to market my services, return

calls, do good work with my clients and so on and so forth. That is, I

did all the things I programmed in to scene 2.

 

Amazing. It's almost as though this stuff actually works, and if you

do the drills, you get the skills.

 

Before, when I have just hoped for 'more money', it hasn't always

worked that well. But that big colourful picture of me standing

outside the bank with a balance slip in my hand and a smile on my face

turned out beautifully.

 

Have fun,

 

Phil

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,

Pandora51 wrote:

 

> In a message dated 3/4/06 3:26:46 PM, docspeed2001 writes:

 

> > And I asked a question. " Who are you wanting to attract? "

> > No one had an answer.

> > Wow!

> > What is this post about?

 

 

> My sense of what this post was about, is an example of unfocused

thinking as

> it is displayed in a group environment. Without a " Target

Audience " in mind,

> the focus becomes diffused and no real plan of action can be

formulated. I

> guess the same goes of personal activities as well. A well-

formed outcome

> will dictate the steps one has to make and take in order to

achieve it?

 

> Paulina

 

Yep.

 

That's a part of it.

 

So, what do they need to do to get a well formed goal?

 

What is weird, they were in the place of, " I want my misery, and I

will NOT listen to any positive solutions! "

 

How do I know that?

 

Because I asked two more questions.

 

DR. John M. La Tourrette

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, " jwrt99 "

<jwrt99 wrote:

>

> 1. With any event or task each will respond by type.

> Without an overriding goal to direct, the individuals will simply

> bump heads misunderstanding each other, assuming this and that.

>

> 2. Why try to divide an ounce of gold amongst 1000 people.

>

> 3. The fellowship groups, dogmatic higharchies ect are losing

ground,

> the once proud and powerful leaders teeth are getting loose.

>

> The wheel turns. As always.

>

> JohnT

 

JohnT,

 

I just don't get it.

 

So, we have some clarity, how would we understand it more easily?

 

 

[Guest guest]

#### My reply is down a ways

 

> > 1. With any event or task each will respond by type.

> > Without an overriding goal to direct, the individuals will simply

> > bump heads misunderstanding each other, assuming this and that.

> >

> > 2. Why try to divide an ounce of gold amongst 1000 people.

> >

> > 3. The fellowship groups, dogmatic higharchies ect are losing

> ground,

> > the once proud and powerful leaders teeth are getting loose.

> >

> > The wheel turns. As always.

> >

> > JohnT

>

> JohnT,

>

> I just don't get it.

>

> So, we have some clarity, how would we understand it more easily?

>

>

 

Hey Doc

 

Just noticed this post,

well shite, I thought I was being clear......as water.....lol

I went back to archives and looked up " clarity model "

Good stuff,

Staying on task, the straight arrow to target, not my strongest suit,

doable with much huffing and puffing, not awfully enjoyable, for me.

Anyway, I reconcidered your post before looking at the clarity model

threads and this is what I came up with last night, I generaly think

of this type of thinking as going " the long way around the barn " it

has many good uses I just have never been able to take advantage of

them on a regular basis. I think that for me one of the draws of the

learnings you offer is, how do you put it ?, chunk sequential,

building from the bottom up in an orderly sequence. I tend to swoop

up all the chunks and leap up towards the big picture. BIG PICTURE.

Sometimes I land on my feet with something intertesting and possibly

useful sometimes on my ass in pile of chunks wondering what the hell

happened.anyway enough yammer, heres take 2 on your post.

 

>

> I just don't get it.

>

> So, we have some clarity, how would we understand it more easily?

>

>

 

### Last night after work

 

OK I'll break it down another way, although not the way I generally

go about it.

 

 

I went to a masonic meeting the other day and met some old

acquaintances...

 

....and listened to their talk as they had their fellowship...

 

### apparantly there were no guidelines or topics established before

the meeting started.

 

....one talked about " needing moring WORKER BEES... "

 

###a paticular mindset, hive thinking, prefers structure, especially

if they are near the top.

 

 

....another talked about how the " ritual " was the entire thing to be

there for...

 

### loves " going through the motions " are the motions potent anymore

dunno, I'm not a mason.

 

....another talked about " how we were there to help people who needed

help " ...

 

### huggy feely here, but didn't define " who needed help "

 

....another talked about how that was NOT true, " but we were there to

help widows and orphans " ...

 

### mismatches his fellow member and defines " who needed help "

 

....another talked about declining memberships...

 

### lol probably the treasurer

 

....another talked about how dumbing down the ritual had NOT help

membership in California, and in other places...

 

### this guys not up for compromise.

 

....another talked about " making all their secrets easily and more

available to the general public " ...

 

### this guys all about compromise,throw open the vaults....lol

 

1) All of these fellows probably have good intentions but have not

come to a common agreement about what they want or why the locals are

no longer beating down the doors to join up.

I've worked in a lot of small towns up here in the Palouse and the

lodges and sisterhoods are getting scarce. Hard to compete with MTV,

the internet and virtual everything. Works well for the gov though.

 

And I asked a question. " Who are you wanting to attract? "

 

2) the fact that you want to narrow the target group implies you have

something you value and prefere to make available to those " you

believe " can get the most from it otherwise throw open the vaults and

have a party.

 

No one had an answer.

 

Wow!

 

### How could they ? if your part of a large structure you tend to

beleive it will go on forever like the sumerians, egyptians, greeks,

romans, spanish, english and now we americans, the USA is going to go

on forever...... Right ?

 

3)Many of the remarks of the fellows imply a " weakening " This was

also a nod to Arthur C Clark in one of his post 2oo1 S.O. books he

speculated that we would see a shift from a religious/gov system to

a spiritual/corp system. It sounds right to me, good ? bad ?

Depends on if ya have a chair when the music stops, I suppose.

( I lump the the masons in with religion (possibly incorrectly)

because of my perception of them as " patriachical " where as spiritual

I tend to think of in a more " energetic " sense ala yin/yang

 

The wheel turns comment...nod to blake..everything cycles

 

not sure I like getting this naked, it's drafty like those DR. office

gowns, which I refuse to put on.

 

crap...stayed up way to late again....

 

sleepytime

 

JT

 

 

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