Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 This morning I was watching the Biography Channel that had a program about Lourdes and the various attitudes, myths and skepticism about the miracles happening there. One scientist said that most " miracles " eventually are rationally (conscious mind) explained. Sometimes I wonder where Western medicine would be if they USED the power of the mind rather than depending on the knife or the pill. Something like, " Look how powerful the mind is. How I can use that in my practice? " I wonder what that scientist would have to say after one of Doc's trainings? How would he rationalize that? Mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 , " M J Nelson " <zpp4everyone wrote: > [ snip ] > > One scientist said that most " miracles " eventually are rationally > (conscious mind) explained. > > Sometimes I wonder where Western medicine would be if > they USED the power of the mind rather than depending on > the knife or the pill. > > Something like, " Look how powerful the mind is. How I can > use that in my practice? " > > I wonder what that scientist would have to say after one of > Doc's trainings? How would he rationalize that? Hey Mary, I think you have a good point. It seems to me that science is useful - particularly the idea of testing theories and accumulating evidence for them. It's easy to see scientists as hidebound, skeptical and close-minded and throw the baby out with the bath water. Properly used, the scientific method can be a wonderful tool for separating what works from what doesn't. Just worth being aware of the problems that can crop up... scientists are people and that means they can fall into thinking traps... 1. The Prejudice Trap - A skeptic does the drill and then evaluates the results. Someone who is prejudiced hallucinates the drill not working and then evaluates the results. Skepticism good, prejudice bad. 2. The Certainty Trap - It is hard to prove anything 100% but some assumptions become so embedded that they seem 'certain' rather than probable. I once read a quote that said 'these are the laws of science, the gospel truth right up until the journals are published again next month'. So hopefully, good scientists believe firmly in the model but are constantly open to updating it with new information. 3. The Conservatism Trap - People can be afraid of change, they become conservative and like to keep their beliefs and opinions the same. This can lead them to misuse reasoning and the scientific method to delete or distort evidence to fit their existing beliefs. Bottom line: Science and scientists are valuable, they can just, like everyone else, suffer from a few thinking traps. Have fun, Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Hi Mary Last year my Husband had a heart attack His brother is a heart surgeon –even an excellent one And he took care of the all thing BUT WHEN MY HUSBAND ASKED ME ’’DO HUNA FOR ME’’ I told him I will but ‘’DON’T TELL ANYTHING ABOUT IT TO YOU’RE BROTHER’’ I did my HUNA and forgot about it My brother in law the Professor had already plans For ‘’bypass operation’’-HE WAS PREAPARING THE KNIVES- WE KEPT QUIET And then all the tests showed NOTHING 5 DOCTORS INCLUDING MY BROTHER IN LAW SAID ’’NO NEED FOR ANYTHING’’ The thing is that if I tell the professor what really happened- He will think its crazy- So we keep quiet- But when it was an emergency situation –I did call the ambulance Because to that point was my believe Orna So my husband which is not a heart surgeon professor Started to see there is something about HUNA His brother EVEN DIDN’T WONDER-HOW DID IT HAPPEN? On Behalf Of M J Nelson Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:35 PM Is it all in the mind? This morning I was watching the Biography Channel that had a program about Lourdes and the various attitudes, myths and skepticism about the miracles happening there. One scientist said that most " miracles " eventually are rationally (conscious mind) explained. Sometimes I wonder where Western medicine would be if they USED the power of the mind rather than depending on the knife or the pill. Something like, " Look how powerful the mind is. How I can use that in my practice? " I wonder what that scientist would have to say after one of Doc's trainings? How would he rationalize that? Mary -- Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/275 - Release 06/03/2006 -- Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/275 - Release 06/03/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 , " M J Nelson " <zpp4everyone wrote: > > This morning I was watching the Biography Channel that had > a program about Lourdes and the various attitudes, myths and > skepticism about the miracles happening there. > > One scientist said that most " miracles " eventually are rationally > (conscious mind) explained. > > Sometimes I wonder where Western medicine would be if > they USED the power of the mind rather than depending on > the knife or the pill. > > Something like, " Look how powerful the mind is. How I can > use that in my practice? " > > I wonder what that scientist would have to say after one of > Doc's trainings? How would he rationalize that? > > Mary It's happened. I've had that type of mind get real scared at one of my seminars, and then walk away because of that fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 healingenergies- essentialskills , " phillipmattingly " <phil wrote: > > , " M J Nelson " > <zpp4everyone@> wrote: > > > [ snip ] > > > > One scientist said that most " miracles " eventually are rationally > > (conscious mind) explained. > > > > Sometimes I wonder where Western medicine would be if > > they USED the power of the mind rather than depending on > > the knife or the pill. > > > > Something like, " Look how powerful the mind is. How I can > > use that in my practice? " > > > > I wonder what that scientist would have to say after one of > > Doc's trainings? How would he rationalize that? > > Hey Mary, > > I think you have a good point. It seems to me that science is useful - > particularly the idea of testing theories and accumulating evidence > for them. It's easy to see scientists as hidebound, skeptical and > close-minded and throw the baby out with the bath water. Properly > used, the scientific method can be a wonderful tool for separating > what works from what doesn't. Just worth being aware of the problems > that can crop up... scientists are people and that means they can fall > into thinking traps... > > 1. The Prejudice Trap - A skeptic does the drill and then evaluates > the results. Someone who is prejudiced hallucinates the drill not > working and then evaluates the results. Skepticism good, prejudice bad. > > 2. The Certainty Trap - It is hard to prove anything 100% but some > assumptions become so embedded that they seem 'certain' rather than > probable. I once read a quote that said 'these are the laws of > science, the gospel truth right up until the journals are published > again next month'. So hopefully, good scientists believe firmly in the > model but are constantly open to updating it with new information. > > 3. The Conservatism Trap - People can be afraid of change, they become > conservative and like to keep their beliefs and opinions the same. > This can lead them to misuse reasoning and the scientific method to > delete or distort evidence to fit their existing beliefs. > > Bottom line: Science and scientists are valuable, they can just, like > everyone else, suffer from a few thinking traps. > > Have fun, > > Phil One of the weirdest groups I've ever encounter is the Energy Medicine group. About the only one that really enjoys what I do in that entire organization is Donna Eden. The rest think I'm a wolf in a hen house. Strange about the mental traps people are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 , " simple " <simple wrote: > > Hi Mary > > Last year my > > Husband had a heart attack > > His brother is a heart surgeon –even an excellent one > > And he took care of the all thing > > BUT WHEN MY HUSBAND ASKED ME ''DO HUNA FOR ME'' > > I told him I will but `'DON'T TELL ANYTHING ABOUT IT TO > > YOU'RE BROTHER'' > > I did my HUNA and forgot about it > > My brother in law the Professor had already plans > > For `'bypass operation''-HE WAS PREAPARING THE KNIVES- > > WE KEPT QUIET > > And then all the tests showed NOTHING > > 5 DOCTORS INCLUDING MY BROTHER IN LAW > > SAID ''NO NEED FOR ANYTHING'' > > The thing is that if I tell the professor what really happened- > > He will think its crazy- > > So we keep quiet- Yep. That's the important thing about any technology that uses the subjective dimension for manifestation. It is NOT approved of by the left brained population. And if you mention the how's and the what's, they will screw it up somehow with their own unconscious power of the aura, and of the mind. Back to Olga Worrall and her cloud chamber experiments with Standford Research Institute. A skeptic in the room? It didn't work. No skeptic in the room, it worked at 800 miles distance. Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Since Donna is so adept at reading and seeing peoples' energies and seeing them for who they really are, that just about says it all Doc. Lori , " kahunamaker " <kahunamaker wrote: > > One of the weirdest groups I've ever encounter is the Energy > Medicine group. > > About the only one that really enjoys what I do in that entire > organization is Donna Eden. > > The rest think I'm a wolf in a hen house. > > Strange about the mental traps people are in. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 , " darthon4 " <darthon4 wrote: > > Since Donna is so adept at reading and seeing peoples' energies and > seeing them for who they really are, that just about says it all Doc. > > Lori Thank you Lori. Donna told me one time, " I don't look at body language, nor do I hear what they say. I just look at their energies, and THAT says it all. " Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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