I see the same stupidity surrounding any area of MASTERY.

[Guest guest]

nlphypnotist email me and stated that " thinking it takes 10 years to

mastery nlp is only a belief system " ...

 

Which I did think was amusing because when I'd only studied NLP 6

months I really thought I was good.

 

When I'd studied it about 3 years, with really competant people, I

started looking at them in awe.

 

After 5 years of training and using I knew I had a long ways to go.

 

Same with 10 years...

 

Same with 15 years...

 

Same with 20 years...

 

Blab, blab, blab.

 

I see the same " stupidity " surrounding any area of MASTERY.

 

I see 6 month taekwondo black belts really thinking that they can

defend themselves, then they face one of my 6 month Gold belts

(about 9 steps down from OUR black belt)...

 

....and those gay kwon do people's butts freeze up after the first

encounter. They just had a significant emotional response in their

life.

 

It's the same with energy medicine.

 

Someone reads a book by Choi Kuk Soi, or Donna Eden, or Fred Gallo,

or Gerber, and then because they know how to hold the damn book in

their hand they actually hallucinate that they have the skill of the

author.

 

And it just don't happen that way.

 

So group, those that have BEEN to my seminars and actually

EXPERIENCE the skills I'm talking about...

 

....what does happen?

 

 

www.mentaltrainingsecrets.com

[Guest guest]

Unadulterated MAGICK! :-)

 

Lori

 

, " docspeed2001 "

<docspeed2001 wrote:

>

>

> So group, those that have BEEN to my seminars and actually

> EXPERIENCE the skills I'm talking about...

>

> ...what does happen?

>

>

> www.mentaltrainingsecrets.com

>

[Guest guest]

, " docspeed2001 "

<docspeed2001 wrote:

>

[ snip ]

>

> Someone reads a book by Choi Kuk Soi, or Donna Eden, or Fred Gallo,

> or Gerber, and then because they know how to hold the damn book in

> their hand they actually hallucinate that they have the skill of the

> author.

>

> And it just don't happen that way.

>

> So group, those that have BEEN to my seminars and actually

> EXPERIENCE the skills I'm talking about...

>

> ...what does happen?

 

A long time ago, when I was reading this list, someone mentioned

something called EFT. I had no idea what EFT was, but everyone said it

was pretty good. So I went to Gary Craig's website, and I downloaded

the manual.

 

I read the manual and it said that you can get rid of trauma and

negative emotion by tapping your face. I thought that was bullshit.

But I had some trauma and some negative emotion, so I thought 'Why not

see if it works?'

 

So I slowly followed all the steps in the manual and checked to see if

it changed my feelings. I think I screwed it up the first few goes

through, but after that, it was easier. I felt a lot better. I

thought, 'maybe this isn't bullshit, I'll get the DVDs.'

 

I got the DVDs and I checked that I was doing it the way I was

supposed to do it. It really seemed to work. So I did it on everything

I could think of. I kept having to refer back to the manual to

remember the damn points though. Then I started doing it on other people.

 

In fact, I've done so much EFT now that sometimes I have dreams about

doing EFT with people I don't even know. I can, it seems, literally

and metaphorically do EFT in my sleep.

 

And I noticed that all of these language patterns and things from NLP

kept popping in to my head. So I started writing them down because

they seemed quite cool, even though I didn't even know where they were

coming from. And I started teaching all of that to my clients and to

people who came to my practice group, which made me look at it over

again in a whole different way.

 

Then this week, the UPS guy came to my house with a package from

Medford. So I'm sitting and watching the Inner Demon Destroyer DVDs

and I'm thinking, 'oh hey, cool, a whole other layer of stuff to learn.'

 

It was like watching Gary Craig when he came to England and seeing all

the fun ways I can do energy psychology even better.

 

Anyway, to answer your question Doc. This is sort of what I think

happens when you go to master a skill...

 

1. 'I don't even know what Doc/Donna/Richard Bandler can do.'

 

- 'I will go and find out what Doc/Donna/Richard can do.'

 

2. 'I know what Doc/Donna/Richard can do and they've shown me the

drills to do it.'

 

- 'I will do the drills to get the skills.'

 

3. 'I have done the drills and gotten feedback on whether I am doing

the drills right. I can now do the drill if I concentrate on it.'

 

- 'I will do the drills more.'

 

4. 'Now I can do the drills so well I don't even know what I'm doing

when I do the drills.'

 

- 'I will learn how to break down what I do and teach it to others.'

 

5. 'Now I can teach others how to do what I know how to do.'

 

Someone else can fill in the motivational aspects.

 

Have fun,

 

Phil

[Guest guest]

Hey Doc, I respect you and your work, presently I have your remote viewing course which I intend to master, anyway I just wanted you to see this from my point of view....

Of course a person gets better with experience, someone practicing NLP or martial arts for 15 years should be better then a person who has been practicing for 5 years.....

Consider this, if a black belt martial artist was using the skill to survive on the street, and had to use the skill every other day to defend himselve, and a martial artist of equal rank and years of practice only used the skill three times a week in the dojo to keep in shape, would the level of mastery be the same?

If somebody that studies NLP for 10 years and does not practice it would they have the same level of mastery then a person who studied for 5 years and practice it with others either in the therapy room, or in general...

I meant that there are levels of experience, one may consider himselve a master after ten years, yet there are people who have been studying for ten years and doesn't put it in practice, if they can't or haven't applied what they have studied then I consider them a rookie....

nlphypnotist

, "docspeed2001" <docspeed2001 wrote:>> nlphypnotist email me and stated that "thinking it takes 10 years to > mastery nlp is only a belief system"...> > Which I did think was amusing because when I'd only studied NLP 6 > months I really thought I was good.> > When I'd studied it about 3 years, with really competant people, I > started looking at them in awe.> > After 5 years of training and using I knew I had a long ways to go.> > Same with 10 years...> > Same with 15 years...> > Same with 20 years...> > Blab, blab, blab.> > I see the same "stupidity" surrounding any area of MASTERY.> > I see 6 month taekwondo black belts really thinking that they can > defend themselves, then they face one of my 6 month Gold belts > (about 9 steps down from OUR black belt)...> > ...and those gay kwon do people's butts freeze up after the first > encounter. They just had a significant emotional response in their > life.> > It's the same with energy medicine.> > Someone reads a book by Choi Kuk Soi, or Donna Eden, or Fred Gallo, > or Gerber, and then because they know how to hold the damn book in > their hand they actually hallucinate that they have the skill of the > author.> > And it just don't happen that way.> > So group, those that have BEEN to my seminars and actually > EXPERIENCE the skills I'm talking about...> > ...what does happen?> > > www.mentaltrainingsecrets.com>

[Guest guest]

Yep,

I agree with " us " 100%...

 

....since we are stating virtually the same thing;-0

 

....especially since you are now adding in " experience " vs " time " which I'd

already presupposed.

 

....and you can mismatch it if you want, it's still the same thing.

 

 

 

healingenergies-

essentialskills , " nlphypnotist " <nlphypnotist

wrote:

>

>

> Hey Doc, I respect you and your work, presently I have your remote

> viewing course which I intend to master, anyway I just wanted you

to see

> this from my point of view....

>

> Of course a person gets better with experience, someone practicing

NLP

> or martial arts for 15 years should be better then a person who

has been

> practicing for 5 years.....

>

> Consider this, if a black belt martial artist was using the skill

to

> survive on the street, and had to use the skill every other day to

> defend himselve, and a martial artist of equal rank and years of

> practice only used the skill three times a week in the dojo to

keep in

> shape, would the level of mastery be the same?

>

> If somebody that studies NLP for 10 years and does not practice it

would

> they have the same level of mastery then a person who studied for 5

> years and practice it with others either in the therapy room, or in

> general...

>

> I meant that there are levels of experience, one may consider

himselve a

> master after ten years, yet there are people who have been

studying for

> ten years and doesn't put it in practice, if they can't or haven't

> applied what they have studied then I consider them a rookie....

>

> nlphypnotist

>

>

> healingenergies-

essentialskills , " docspeed2001 "

> <docspeed2001@> wrote:

> >

> > nlphypnotist email me and stated that " thinking it takes 10

years to

> > mastery nlp is only a belief system " ...

> >

> > Which I did think was amusing because when I'd only studied NLP 6

> > months I really thought I was good.

> >

> > When I'd studied it about 3 years, with really competant people,

I

> > started looking at them in awe.

> >

> > After 5 years of training and using I knew I had a long ways to

go.

> >

> > Same with 10 years...

> >

> > Same with 15 years...

> >

> > Same with 20 years...

> >

> > Blab, blab, blab.

> >

> > I see the same " stupidity " surrounding any area of MASTERY.

> >

> > I see 6 month taekwondo black belts really thinking that they can

> > defend themselves, then they face one of my 6 month Gold belts

> > (about 9 steps down from OUR black belt)...

> >

> > ...and those gay kwon do people's butts freeze up after the first

> > encounter. They just had a significant emotional response in

their

> > life.

> >

> > It's the same with energy medicine.

> >

> > Someone reads a book by Choi Kuk Soi, or Donna Eden, or Fred

Gallo,

> > or Gerber, and then because they know how to hold the damn book

in

> > their hand they actually hallucinate that they have the skill of

the

> > author.

> >

> > And it just don't happen that way.

> >

> > So group, those that have BEEN to my seminars and actually

> > EXPERIENCE the skills I'm talking about...

> >

> > ...what does happen?

> >

> >

> > www.mentaltrainingsecrets.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, " darthon4 "

<darthon4 wrote:

>

> Unadulterated MAGICK! :-)

>

> Lori

 

I went into my kung-fu school and this one new beginner (an adulty)

was looking at me real funny. Strangely, actually.

 

So I ask him " what's going on? "

 

He replies real timid like, " I hear you can do magic??? "

 

" What do you mean by that? "

 

" I heard you use magic to change beer? "

 

I then explained it to him.

 

Now he's not impressed any more.

 

He loved it under the word " magic " .

 

Under the word " energy " , it's too simple.

 

Wow!

 

 

 

> > So group, those that have BEEN to my seminars and actually

> > EXPERIENCE the skills I'm talking about...

> >

> > ...what does happen?

> >

> >

> > www.mentaltrainingsecrets.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

healingenergies-

essentialskills , " phillipmattingly " <phil wrote:

>

> healingenergies-

essentialskills , " docspeed2001 "

> <docspeed2001@> wrote:

> >

> [ snip ]

> >

> > Someone reads a book by Choi Kuk Soi, or Donna Eden, or Fred

Gallo,

> > or Gerber, and then because they know how to hold the damn book

in

> > their hand they actually hallucinate that they have the skill of

the

> > author.

> >

> > And it just don't happen that way.

> >

> > So group, those that have BEEN to my seminars and actually

> > EXPERIENCE the skills I'm talking about...

> >

> > ...what does happen?

>

> A long time ago, when I was reading this list, someone mentioned

> something called EFT. I had no idea what EFT was, but everyone

said it

> was pretty good. So I went to Gary Craig's website, and I

downloaded

> the manual.

 

The first time I ran into Energy Psychology about 9 years ago, I was

very disappointed.

 

The 2 practitioners had a real " bitch " for a client, and no matter

what they did, the " bitch " still " felt " that they hadn't helped.

 

Now, I do the part those 2 practitioners left out.

 

The pre-verification part of the SUDS with an energy test.

 

Then when done, the post-verification of the SUDS being zero with an

energy test.

 

Many people can " remember " the incident, so they " think " that they

still have the negative emotion, when the don't.

 

It's gone!

 

 

[Guest guest]

so doc...the below i think i may understand but i do not know what the anacynim "SUDS" in this the below quoted context means

 

"The pre-verification part of the SUDS with an energy test."

Though i believe you are speaking of negating --or more to the point--grounding out a certain spirious energy often associated with negitive emotions that you logic indeed follows ---and i am simply not familuar with you particular set of terminology. (i suck at the terminology thing really) --so do tell--SUDS=?

 

thanks much--and by the way---outside of my muse you are truly the funnyest dude i have encountered recently---though i was watching the dalai lama----and he cracks me up to

 

much love

 

 

-

kahunamaker

Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:44 PM

Re: I see the same "stupidity" surrounding any area of MASTERY.

The first time I ran into Energy Psychology about 9 years ago, I was very disappointed.The 2 practitioners had a real "bitch" for a client, and no matter what they did, the "bitch" still "felt" that they hadn't helped.Now, I do the part those 2 practitioners left out.The pre-verification part of the SUDS with an energy test.Then when done, the post-verification of the SUDS being zero with an energy test.Many people can "remember" the incident, so they "think" that they still have the negative emotion, when the don't.It's gone!

[Guest guest]

Yep, and even though I know the underlying workings of it, how to get

it to work, the energy behind it all, I still like to think of it as

magic.

 

The magic part is the playful side of things that keeps my

imagination active and always wondering what else, what's next, how

can I use this...Wow! How can I top that?!...like a child do would

when they see magic being done.

 

Lori ;-)

 

 

 

, " kahunamaker "

<kahunamaker wrote:

>

> , " darthon4 "

> <darthon4@> wrote:

> >

> > Unadulterated MAGICK! :-)

> >

> > Lori

>

> I went into my kung-fu school and this one new beginner (an adulty)

> was looking at me real funny. Strangely, actually.

>

> So I ask him " what's going on? "

>

> He replies real timid like, " I hear you can do magic??? "

>

> " What do you mean by that? "

>

> " I heard you use magic to change beer? "

>

> I then explained it to him.

>

> Now he's not impressed any more.

>

> He loved it under the word " magic " .

>

> Under the word " energy " , it's too simple.

>

> Wow!

>

>

>

> > > So group, those that have BEEN to my seminars and actually

> > > EXPERIENCE the skills I'm talking about...

> > >

> > > ...what does happen?

> > >

> > >

> > > www.mentaltrainingsecrets.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, " kahunamaker "

(snip)

> " I heard you use magic to change beer? "

>

> I then explained it to him.

>

> Now he's not impressed any more.

 

Hi Doc,

Now you've got my attention. Does it work on wine too?

 

Poor fellow, if he's not even more impressed, he is a fool. I don't

suppose he'd enjoy watching Penn and Teller do their thing either

then. Some people want to believe in magic - the kind of " magic " that

doesn't require any effort, preparation or work. The rest of us just

have to keep doing the drills.

 

But which drill? I do get a few strange looks when I bless my food and

drink by making CCW and CW motions and then blessing it with my hands

in a prayer position over it. My husband just looks and smiles while I

do my best to be " cool " about it.

 

barb

[Guest guest]

bbtried wrote:

 

> , " kahunamaker "

>(snip)

>

>

>> " I heard you use magic to change beer? "

>>

>>I then explained it to him.

>>

>>Now he's not impressed any more.

>>

>>

>

>

But Using Energy is using magic(k ). Effective magic is energy work

The main difference is the terminology.

 

Peggy Jentoft

 

--

solarraven, new site http://pjentoft.com/index.html

Energy work, Empowerments,Nature Spirituality,mandala

Crystal Healing Workshops,Angels,Huna,fairies,PSP presets

[Guest guest]

One of the inventors of Solid Jet Fuel (and one of the founders of Jet Propulsion Lab) - is a guy named Jack Parsons.  http://www.babalon.net/articles/metzger.htmlHe ran the US branch of the Ordo Templi Orientis for Aleister Crowley.Parsons was really into magic and sexmagik.  (L Ron Hubbard ran off with his wife - and, I suspect, a number of his ideas...)His interest in rockets and magic were intrinsically connected - he said he wanted to "reverse the forces of gravity".Helen On Mar 13, 2006, at 8:39 AM, rosequartz wrote: But Using  Energy  is  using magic(k ). Effective magic is energy work The main difference is the  terminology.Peggy Jentoft-- 

[Guest guest]

, " Pet Troll "

<pettroll wrote:

>

> so doc...the below i think i may understand but i do not know what

the anacynim " SUDS " in this the below quoted context means

 

It's a calibration skill of the intensive of the emotion that you'll

be fixing.

 

A zero is " no emotion " . A 10, is so bad that you want to kill yourself.

 

So, before doing the INNER DEMON DESTROYER you get their emotions on

that SUDS scale.

 

Then you energy test them to make sure their unconscious mind and

their conscious mind are on agreement of that number.

 

You run the INNER DEMON DESTROYER and erase that emotion.

 

You then recalibrate the " old emotion " to make sure it's at zero.

 

Sometimes the uke " thinks " he still has some of the old negative

energy " just because he remembers it " .

 

So you use the energy test as a verification process.

 

That's a small part of the " erasure " portion of the INNER DEMON

DESTROYER.

 

Then, we install whatever we want in it's place.

 

Test using Time lines, " as if " frames, hypnotic language patterns,

blab, blab, blab.

 

 

Okay, since so many Inner Circle Members have asked, I’ve decided to release the

“Kahuna Ruby Crystal Healing Energies Workshop” DVD’s to my Inner Circle

Members. On my webpage it will sell for $597. For the next 5 days YOU get a much

better deal. That deal includes all the DVD’s for the Intensive Workshop. It

includes the “colors” sheets so that you can use them for “healing energies”. It

includes the RUBY CRYSTAL, blessed by a REAL Kahuna, and it includes my notes

for the workshop. I normally NEVER give anyone my notes. In those notes is a

‘Secret Kahuna Energy Technique’ that I used on Lori to HEAL INSTANTLY her old

tear in the meniscus of her right knee. That knee is still pain free and feeling

fine and it’s been a month. Here’s the deal. The deal for inner Circle Members

for the next 5 days is, $297 + P & H. If you live in the states the P & H is $19.50.

If you live outside the states the P & H is just added to your credit card. Fair?

So email Jack at thespeedman right now to have your

set sent out at once. Again, this offer ends in 5 days. Buy now & you save $300

bucks. You may call the office, but we are hard to reach. The office # is

541-776-6334. An email would be best.;-)

[Guest guest]

, " darthon4 "

<darthon4 wrote:

>

> Yep, and even though I know the underlying workings of it, how to

get

> it to work, the energy behind it all, I still like to think of it as

> magic.

>

> The magic part is the playful side of things that keeps my

> imagination active and always wondering what else, what's next, how

> can I use this...Wow! How can I top that?!...like a child do would

> when they see magic being done.

>

> Lori ;-)

 

Yes.

 

Because you " now know " the secrets of energy...

 

....because you " now know " the secrets of the 2nd mind and how it is

used with the first mind...

 

....because you " now know " the secrets of the 3rd mind, and the bridges

that need to be built...

 

....you CAN DO the magic.

 

Congratulations Lori!

 

 

Okay, since so many Inner Circle Members have asked, I've decided to

release the " Kahuna Ruby Crystal Healing Energies Workshop " DVD's to

my Inner Circle Members. On my webpage it will sell for $597. For the

next 5 days YOU get a much better deal. That deal includes all the

DVD's for the Intensive Workshop. It includes the " colors " sheets so

that you can use them for " healing energies " . It includes the RUBY

CRYSTAL, blessed by a REAL Kahuna, and it includes my notes for the

workshop. I normally NEVER give anyone my notes. In those notes is

a `Secret Kahuna Energy Technique' that I used on Lori to HEAL

INSTANTLY her old tear in the meniscus of her right knee. That knee is

still pain free and feeling fine and it's been a month. Here's the

deal. The deal for inner Circle Members for the next 5 days is, $297 +

P & H. If you live in the states the P & H is $19.50. If you live outside

the states the P & H is just added to your credit card. Fair? So email

Jack at thespeedman right now to have your

set sent out at once. Again, this offer ends in 5 days. Buy now & you

save $300 bucks. You may call the office, but we are hard to reach.

The office # is 541-776-6334. An email would be best.;-)

[Guest guest]

, Helen

Driscoll <helen wrote:

>

> One of the inventors of Solid Jet Fuel (and one of the founders

of

> Jet Propulsion Lab) - is a guy named Jack Parsons.

>

> http://www.babalon.net/articles/metzger.html

>

> He ran the US branch of the Ordo Templi Orientis for Aleister

Crowley.

>

> Parsons was really into magic and sexmagik. (L Ron Hubbard ran

off

> with his wife - and, I suspect, a number of his ideas...)

>

> His interest in rockets and magic were intrinsically connected -

he

> said he wanted to " reverse the forces of gravity " .

 

I found this information really cool.

Can you quote a reference?

I want to read more about them.

 

ps. I will google them.;-)

[Guest guest]

Have to say that XI Lust with the Scarlet Whore of Babylon (in the

Crowley's Thoth pack)is my favorite card. Reminds me of the last seminar.

 

(Parson was looking for his Scarlet whore, as I guess are many of us).

[Guest guest]

> Sometimes the uke " thinks " he still has some of the old negative

> energy " just because he remembers it " .

>

>

Yeah - I noticed that.

 

I was terrified of driving over bridges - since I was a little kid.

Only suspension bridges - like the Golden Gate Bridge,

 

So - I've done EFT and IDD on the issue over the past year -- and drove

over the Verrazano Bridge (from LI to Staten Island) last week getting

back to LA from NY.

 

I had an anticipation anxiety -- but no problem once I was driving on

the bridge.

 

Will tap on that tag-end. It was about the remembering....

 

Helen

[Guest guest]

, " chestpuk "

<philip.chesters wrote:

>

> Have to say that XI Lust with the Scarlet Whore of Babylon (in the

> Crowley's Thoth pack)is my favorite card. Reminds me of the last

seminar.

>

> (Parson was looking for his Scarlet whore, as I guess are many of

us).

>

 

Nothing wrong with the " learnings " gained through the first 4

chakras...

 

....as long as there ARE THE LEARNINGS!

 

Unfortunately most use them otherwise, me included;-)

 

Too much fun!

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Helen

 

 

Will tap on that tag-end. It was about the

remembering....

 

 

Can you say more?

About it and tag end

 

Orna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Helen Driscoll

Friday,

March 17, 2006 12:24 AM

 

Re:

Re: I see the same " stupidity " surrounding

any area of MASTERY.

 

 

> Sometimes the uke

" thinks " he still has some of the old negative

> energy " just because he remembers

it " .

>

>

Yeah - I noticed that.

 

I was terrified of driving over bridges - since I

was a little kid.

Only suspension bridges - like the Golden Gate Bridge,

 

So - I've done EFT and IDD on the issue over the

past year -- and drove

over the Verrazano

Bridge (from LI to Staten

Island) last week getting

back to LA from NY.

 

I had an anticipation anxiety -- but no problem once I was driving on

the bridge.

 

Will tap on that tag-end. It was about the

remembering....

 

Helen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Orna -

 

A tag-end is an issue attached to another issue. Issues tend to

cluster. You can have a fear or anxiety about something and that fear

attracts other fears to it.

 

For the example I explained - when I was a little kid, I was terrified

when we drove over the Throggs Neck Bridge. (it's like a fear of

heights - where you think you're just going to fly off the ledge - I'd

think we'd just fly off the bridge. When you drive over those

suspension bridges -- everything around you looks the same as if you

were flying... which is weird because I LOVE flying in planes)

 

Later on, when I knew we were going to go over a bridge, I'd become

anxious.

 

So - I tapped on the bridge fear -- and got it down pretty low (before

- I used to do breathing exercises to quiet the fear...which worked

well enough to let me drive over a bridge, but was a real mental

production)

 

But, the approach to a bridge was another fear sequence (and all the

self-talk involved -- as you anticipate the thing you fear) - so I'll

tap on that memory.

 

There are lots of tag ends. Most 'issues' have tag ends.

 

Another example is one of the complex issues that David Feinstein

worked on at the Irvine seminar. The young woman was afraid of the

number 11 - especially 11 minutes after the hour.

 

She though bad things happened around the number 11

 

It turns our her brother was murdered in Jamaica -- and she did not

want to let go of parts of her 'issue' -- because she didn't want to

forget her brother (it hurt her that his friends had 'moved on' so

quickly -- like he had never existed....) There were parts of her

issues around the number 11 she was willing to let go of, and parts she

was not.

 

Helen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PM, simple wrote:

 

>

> Hi Helen

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> Will tap on that tag-end. It was about the remembering....

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> Can you say more?

> About it and tag end

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> Orna

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[Guest guest]

Hi Helen

 

 

 

I do have a forest of tag ends maybe a jungle

 

I wonder how I can be efficient cutting them off

 

 

As fast as I want

 

Doing the IDD will take me months

 

But for the moment I look at each issue resolved

 

Like migran of about 35 years

 

And so many BIg issues that it is very efficient

 

And the best part

 

I know I can reset myself for what ever I want

 

I wander which one I should install for faster wanted results

 

 

 

Thank Helen

 

It helped a lot

 

 

 

Orna

 

I see you with your red curls crossing bridges

 

Crossing USA really like a fire