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In a message dated 3/12/06 7:22:07 PM, phil writes:

 

 

 

I mean, I get your point and everything, but don't you think it's good

to encourage people to be specific and valid, even if you do it firmly?

 

Have fun,

 

 

Hi Phil:

 

Yes, I totally agree that the fluff type of books and posts and such are basically useless in teaching how to acquire certain skills. And Clarity is crucial if one wants to take real steps to get to their goal or destination, but I guess I don't see how it is beneficial to poke fun at the less knowledgeable. I guess I compare Doc's and Sandy's and some of the other people on here and in Doc's seminar that I went to, as being superior in their skills and knowledge... I can tell you one thing, when Doc said.. its OK to make mistakes, that's how you learn, and then Walter at the seminar echoed that for me, I felt like a load of heavy weight was lifted off me. I tend to want to be good the very first time, and basically beat myself up when I don't understand some concept of drill or skill. Knowing that its OK to make a mistake, and be shown again, how to be better at it, goes a long way to learning anything.

 

I do take responsibility for jumping at Sandy and her ways, since it is MY stuff that is being triggered. I don't even know why I responded, it wasn't even my issues, or not even directed to me. I sometimes cringe when I think someone is getting "yelled" at or put down. The funny thing is, those people who I perceived as being yelled at and put down, didn't seem to mind, since they didn't respond. I won't hallucinate that they got intimidated, and won't respond. I am officially backing off, and dealing with my own stuff that seems to get triggered by certain attitudes.

 

:-X lol

 

Paulina

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, Pandora51

wrote:

>

[ snip ]

>

> Perhaps my response to Sandy's post was strong, but honestly, it

seems that

> the most that she contributes is to cut people off just because they

do not

> possess as much knowledge and skill as she does.

>

> I know that she has so much to offer, and yet chooses to put most,

if not

> all, of her energies into making people feel bad.

 

Hey Paulina,

 

You know, this reminds me of an old teacher I had at school. He used

to teach us this particular subject and he was mostly the most

taciturn, dour and stern individual you can imagine. He would get

angry at every little mistake we made, standing over us and making us

do it again and again until we got it right. It may not have been fun,

but I did get pretty good, mostly because I associated pretty bad

feelings with doing it wrong.

 

Some of my other teachers were a bit more huggy feely. My art teacher

didn't seem to care what we all did so long as we were pretty quiet

and made some sort of effort. The end result was that person didn't

get much respect and I, for one, couldn't draw to save my life.

 

I like Sandy, because she crusades for clarity. Do you ever read those

books where they say things like 'you need to open your heart to the

inspiration of the Divinity in all things and embrace the knowing of

your deeper wisdom'? I read that, and I think, 'oh yeah, that's what I

need... open my heart... mmhmmm.. divinity in all things... embrace

the knowing... right...' and then they never tell you how to do it?

 

I've met people, even had them as clients, who have read those books

for years trying genuinely to improve their lives and gotten nowhere.

Now contrast that with someone like Doc who can give steps to do

everything he talks about. I've learnt about ten thousand times more

from him than all those books put together.

 

And beyond Sandy's slightly punitive style, there are real resources,

specific steps and pointers to those who want to help themselves. She

gave a list of Huna authorities in one recent post. Now there are a

lot of books on Huna I think, so I'm kinda glad she's picked out the

good ones.

 

I mean, I get your point and everything, but don't you think it's good

to encourage people to be specific and valid, even if you do it firmly?

 

Have fun,

 

Phil

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In a message dated 3/13/06 5:37:42 PM, phil writes:

 

 

 

You know, it's so cool that you would even post this. Hats off to you.

I think this attitude will serve you very well in the future.

 

Have fun making 'mistakes',

 

 

Thanks Phil:

 

I am sure that I will keep making mistakes.....after all it's only feedback.. right? :-)

 

Paulina

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, Pandora51

wrote:

>

[ snip ]

>

> I guess I compare Doc's and Sandy's and some of the other people on

here and

> in Doc's seminar that I went to, as being superior in their skills and

> knowledge... I can tell you one thing, when Doc said.. its OK to

make mistakes,

> that's how you learn, and then Walter at the seminar echoed that for

me, I felt

> like a load of heavy weight was lifted off me. I tend to want to

be good the

> very first time, and basically beat myself up when I don't

understand some

> concept of drill or skill. Knowing that its OK to make a mistake,

and be shown

> again, how to be better at it, goes a long way to learning anything.

 

Hey Paulina,

 

I remember going to my NLP Master Practitioner course. We watched

Richard Bandler doing the most amazing stuff for nine days. Then

Michael Breen, one of the other trainers, came on stage and he said

this (more or less):

 

'You know, many of you will watch Richard and you will compare

yourself and come up short. Just remember that your job is not to be

Richard. Your job is to be the best you can be. Don't compare yourself

to Richard. Compare yourself to you at the start of the week. Then in

a year, compare yourself to you now.'

 

I found that very helpful, because it means I belive I don't have to

be perfect, or even great. I just have to be better than I used to be.

 

Now, these days, I am pretty good at a lot of things. Mostly that

comes from having worked a lot with people. Particularly, it comes

from screwing it up repeatedly, and improving a little bit with every

screwup.

 

Except, they never really were screwups, because the people I didn't

fix first time were never as angry or upset or critical as I thought

they would be. Even on the few occasions they were, it was no big

deal. And I could always do stuff on myself to blow out those bad

feelings.

 

And every single one that didn't go right had the seed of an increase

in skill.

 

> I do take responsibility for jumping at Sandy and her ways, since it

is MY

> stuff that is being triggered.

>

[ snip ]

 

You know, it's so cool that you would even post this. Hats off to you.

I think this attitude will serve you very well in the future.

 

Have fun making 'mistakes',

 

Phil

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Hi Phil

 

>I didn't

fix first time were never as angry or upset or critical as I thought

 

 

 

What I found out is when I did

 

The IDD to my husband

 

And we got from 10 fear to 6.5 fear

 

I used it as an anchor for him to see

 

There is a way to get your fear down

 

And get more control

 

Of your life

 

And now I master the drills and look for details

 

That perfects them

 

 

 

Orna’

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More and most

 

 

 

My usual way is being critical and blaming myself

 

WHEN NOT GETTING THE EXACT REASULTS

 

 

So I think I’ll tap that out

 

 

 

 

 

 

EVEN T0 6.5 WHAT A RELIEF AND ENERGY

 

 

 

 

 

Orna

 

Thank you Phil

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AHHAA

 

NOW I GET IT

 

ïi was wondering for a long time

 

How come my results are like up

 

Down and then up up a little down and so on

 

So

 

Thanks to this chain Phil

 

 

 

 

 

The up is something I try or know

 

The down is when fear or ‘’I know’’ STICKS TO THE TAIL OF SUCCESS OR WANTED

REASULT

 

 

 

So

 

AHHA

 

SO WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT IT GROUP?

 

 

 

Orna

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Nice Phil,

Hopefully everyone " got " his real message IMBEDDED in the story?

 

ps. If not re-read it. Have fun.

 

healingenergies-

essentialskills , " phillipmattingly " <phil wrote:

>

> , Pandora51@

> wrote:

> >

> [ snip ]

> >

> > Perhaps my response to Sandy's post was strong, but honestly, it

> seems that

> > the most that she contributes is to cut people off just because

they

> do not

> > possess as much knowledge and skill as she does.

> >

> > I know that she has so much to offer, and yet chooses to put

most,

> if not

> > all, of her energies into making people feel bad.

>

> Hey Paulina,

>

> You know, this reminds me of an old teacher I had at school. He

used

> to teach us this particular subject and he was mostly the most

> taciturn, dour and stern individual you can imagine. He would get

> angry at every little mistake we made, standing over us and making

us

> do it again and again until we got it right. It may not have been

fun,

> but I did get pretty good, mostly because I associated pretty bad

> feelings with doing it wrong.

>

> Some of my other teachers were a bit more huggy feely. My art

teacher

> didn't seem to care what we all did so long as we were pretty quiet

> and made some sort of effort. The end result was that person didn't

> get much respect and I, for one, couldn't draw to save my life.

>

> I like Sandy, because she crusades for clarity. Do you ever read

those

> books where they say things like 'you need to open your heart to

the

> inspiration of the Divinity in all things and embrace the knowing

of

> your deeper wisdom'? I read that, and I think, 'oh yeah, that's

what I

> need... open my heart... mmhmmm.. divinity in all things... embrace

> the knowing... right...' and then they never tell you how to do it?

>

> I've met people, even had them as clients, who have read those

books

> for years trying genuinely to improve their lives and gotten

nowhere.

> Now contrast that with someone like Doc who can give steps to do

> everything he talks about. I've learnt about ten thousand times

more

> from him than all those books put together.

>

> And beyond Sandy's slightly punitive style, there are real

resources,

> specific steps and pointers to those who want to help themselves.

She

> gave a list of Huna authorities in one recent post. Now there are a

> lot of books on Huna I think, so I'm kinda glad she's picked out

the

> good ones.

>

> I mean, I get your point and everything, but don't you think it's

good

> to encourage people to be specific and valid, even if you do it

firmly?

>

> Have fun,

>

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

,

Pandora51 wrote:

> I guess I compare Doc's and Sandy's and some of the other people

on here and

> in Doc's seminar that I went to, as being superior in their skills

and

> knowledge... I can tell you one thing, when Doc said.. its OK to

make mistakes,

> that's how you learn, and then Walter at the seminar echoed that

for me, I felt

> like a load of heavy weight was lifted off me. I tend to want to

be good the

> very first time, and basically beat myself up when I don't

understand some

> concept of drill or skill. Knowing that its OK to make a

mistake, and be shown

> again, how to be better at it, goes a long way to learning

anything.

 

Hi Paulina,

Even though you are not yet perfect, like the rest of us are, we

still love ya and know that you are a neat woman.

 

Just kidding.

 

Nice post Phil.

 

Nice for sharing Paulina.