5 things that bring pain relief to your dog almost over night!

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Hi Aileen:

Get some tissue salts...complex 12..which is a blend of all 12 salts

 

Also get some comfrey.

My dog could not even walk last year I had to carry her in and out of the house (she is 100 lbs so it was fun)

Started her on comfrey (fluid extract if available) and tissue salts

She is now walking on her own.....

 

Dave

P.S. I am a herbalist so I do have some knowledge in this area..not just hearsay

 

P.S Might be hard to find DMSO up here in Canada, it was banned a few years ago. and was unavailable

 

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kahunamaker

04/19/06 21:25:04

 

5 things that bring pain relief to your dog almost over night!

 

, "aileen

donovan" <aileendonovan wrote:

>

> HI Dr. John M. La Tourette!

>

> I wonder if you would help me out with a few suggestions for my

> Rottweiler/Innuit Dog mix, 'Micaleen'...?

>

> I have tried just about every single thing in my arsenal that I

could think

> of...

>

> Micaleen is 8yrs old...and has recently developed some arthritis

in her back

> end which is making her limp(both back legs)..

> Some days are pretty bad...some days she's fairly normal with just

a very

> slight limp. She does have a 'fur coat' so I'd rather not dip her

in oil

> lest she projectile right off the bed when hubby & I give her a

good night

> squeeze :-)

 

Give her a tablespoon of olive oil mixed into her dog food.

She'll eat it. Do it every day. Be sure to watch out for pooping at

different times than normal.

 

Then, after her fur is clean, you can massage in DMSO (get at the

Grange Co-op for $6 bucks) to that painfull area. The gel is the easiest to use.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

 

HI Dr. John M. La Tourette!> > Micaleen is 8yrs old...and has recently developed some arthritis in her back> end which is making her limp(both back legs)..> Some days are pretty bad...some days she's fairly normal with just a very> slight limp. She does have a 'fur coat' so I'd rather not dip her in oil> lest she projectile right off the bed when hubby & I give her a good night> squeeze :-)Give her a tablespoon of olive oil mixed into her dog food.She'll eat it.

 

**Hell, she's on her 3rd Postman, 'olive oil' will be a breeze.....Would there be a difference....a potential positive improvement in using a particular brand of olive oil over another? Or using 'Virgin' olive oil rather than one that may have been around the block a couple of times??

 

Do it every day.

 

** God knows how I try....

 

Be sure to watch out for pooping at different times than normal.

 

**O.k....I didn't think I'd get that excited about it...but ....o.k......

 

 

Then, after her fur is clean, you can massage in DMSO (get at the Grange Co-op for $6 bucks) to that painfull area. The gel is the easiest to use.

 

**I have never used DMSO before...though I have heard about it and some wonderful possible abilities...I seem to recall hearing that it is a 'carrier' and that it is important that your hands when applying it be extremily clean because the DMSO will 'carry' anything it is mixed with plus any residue right down into the tissues ie: soap residue/perfume/any bacteria/medication etc...

 

Also, Is it true that when you apply it, it smells like 46,000 garlic bulbs have just been rubbed on you?

 

Thank you for your time, Sir...

 

Sincerely, Aileen W. Donovan

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Aileen:

I have a couple of suggestions to add to Doc's excellent advice for Micaleen.

I have a 9-year-old, 90-pound Golden Retriever who still jumps around like a puppy. We adopted him 2-1/2 years ago. From the day he came to live with us, I've been feeding him a high-quality meat-based diet, with a glucosamine/chondroitin supplement. For the food, I make a special trip to the feed store. (Have you read the labels on the dog food at the grocery store? Even the "premium" brands are full of byproducts and carbohydrates and floor sweepings that your fine carnivore doesn't need. My dog eats SO much better than I do!) The feed store also carries the supplements, but I get my preferred brand from a veterinary catalog.

And since I found out about Energy Medicine a few months ago (thanks to Doc's RV/RI course), my big boy and my little kitties get their central and governing meridians traced, and their ears tugged, every day. Just takes a minute to do.

I've gotten a lot of useful information from Whole Dog Journal. (Their articles appear to be well-researched and well-written [disclaimer--my only affiliation to WDJ is as a r], and they don't accept advertising.) The current issue contains a report of a small "study" of an herbal arthritis pain-relief product for dogs.

pfalkod

, "kahunamaker" <kahunamaker wrote:> Give her a tablespoon of olive oil mixed into her dog food.> She'll eat it. Do it every day. > > > , "aileen > donovan" aileendonovan@ wrote:> > Micaleen is 8yrs old...and has recently developed some arthritis > in her back> > end which is making her limp (both back legs)..

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David Gluth

Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:10 PM

Re: 5 things that bring pain relief to your dog almost over night!

 

 

 

 

Hi Aileen: **Hi Dave!

Get some tissue salts...complex 12..which is a blend of all 12 salts

 

**All 5 of my dogs have been on the complex 12 tissue salts since January.

 

Also get some comfrey.

 

**I've got her on 'Zyflamend' which 'promotes a healthy inflammation response'...It is a proprietory blend of "Rosemary Leaf, Ginger, Tumeric, Green tea,Holy Basil(Batman!), Hu Zhang, Chinese Goldthread, Barberry, Oregano, Baikal Sckullcap...

She also takes 4,000 mgs. of Wild Salmon Oil,

2,000mgs of Efamol's Evening Primrose Oil...

A 500/400/400mg blend of Glucosamine,Chondroitin & MSM

400units of Natural Vitamin E.

30mg Inno Vite CO Q-10 M.R.B.

Moducare

Celadrin

Symon's Super Mix 100% Organic 'Green Food'

100mg. of Super Concentrate Chlorophyll

Trace Mineral Drops

1Tbsp. Virgin Coconut Oil

I just started her this past week on 'Wobenzym' with my (fingers crossed)..

 

After being a CLASSICAL Homeopathy user for about 20 years,(there were no Vet's in the arctic where I use to live) I've switched to (clinical) multiple remedy combination called, 'ZEEL' for her.....But I"ve got an order into Australia for something for arthritis and even hip dysplasia, I've heard wonderful things about Homeopathic 'Vermiculte' so I'm waiting on that...

 

And when her pain is BAD, and the Zeel doesn't cut it, I give her Flora's "Pain-Away" which is 'Willow Bark Extract'(as you know a source of Salicin) I try to avoid this as much as possible because Willow Bark is of course, 'nature's aspirin' and aspirin,(Salicin) breaks down the joints as opposed to encouraging synovial fluid's growth and therefore a more 'cushy' joint connection(Great product for synovial fluid is 'Synflex' by the way, but Micaleen does not tolerate it)

 

All my dog's are on a Species Appropriate Diet...Human Grade Raw Meat & Bones.(or local postmen & wayward children of the corn ;-)

and fruits & veggies...(she assimulates a very good source of glucosamine from the bones as well)

 

But no comfrey....and no olive oil... yet :-)

 

I'm trying to do whatever I can to keep her off the allopathic 'Metacam' as it is an 'end of life' resort for me... and I feel she's still a little young for 'last resorts'...

 

She's 130 pds. at last weigh in and could lose 15 to bring her to the 'lighter side' and I know that would help her arthritis but of all my dogs, this one's a real food hound...So I've upp'd her veggies and lowered her fatty meat & marrow bones.

 

 

My dog could not even walk last year I had to carry her in and out of the house (she is 100 lbs so it was fun)

 

**A few years ago, for the last six months of my most Beloved German Shepherds' life, my hubby 'wheelbarrelled' him outside for his constitutionals(held up his back end while he motored around on his front legs)...Shane had a spleen tumour so could not be fitted for one of those special 'carts' and was bright & animated and full of life though he simply lost the use & feeling of his back legs....So believe me, I *understand* what you went through...To me, my dogs are my 'fur-kids' and full fledged family members...I take care of them as I would anyone that I love.

 

Started her on comfrey (fluid extract if available) and tissue salts

She is now walking on her own.....

 

**Thanks Dave...I do appreciate the 'tip' and I'll see if I can find it..I hadn't heard about the DMSO getting banned, but I thought comfrey had been? I'll check it out this weekend when I get to the health food store....Thanks so much! Sincerely, Aileen.

 

Dave

P.S. I am a herbalist so I do have some knowledge in this area..not just hearsay

 

**I appreciate you taking the time to respond & offer a suggestion! Thank you!

 

P.S Might be hard to find DMSO up here in Canada, it was banned a few years ago. and was unavailable

 

**I'll let you know...there is a Co-op in my little village here...The village people kinda scare me around here, so I've never been there, but I'll check it out for the DMSO...I'll do it for Micaleen :-) Thanks again, to you Dave & Dr.J.M. La T. for your helpful recommendations.

 

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kahunamaker

04/19/06 21:25:04

 

5 things that bring pain relief to your dog almost over night!

 

, "aileen

donovan" <aileendonovan wrote:

>

> HI Dr. John M. La Tourette!

>

> I wonder if you would help me out with a few suggestions for my

> Rottweiler/Innuit Dog mix, 'Micaleen'...?

>

> I have tried just about every single thing in my arsenal that I

could think

> of...

>

> Micaleen is 8yrs old...and has recently developed some arthritis

in her back

> end which is making her limp(both back legs)..

> Some days are pretty bad...some days she's fairly normal with just

a very

> slight limp. She does have a 'fur coat' so I'd rather not dip her

in oil

> lest she projectile right off the bed when hubby & I give her a

good night

> squeeze :-)

 

Give her a tablespoon of olive oil mixed into her dog food.

She'll eat it. Do it every day. Be sure to watch out for pooping at

different times than normal.

 

Then, after her fur is clean, you can massage in DMSO (get at the

Grange Co-op for $6 bucks) to that painfull area. The gel is the easiest to use.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Aileen:

Looks like you have all yours bases covered

You are right, comfrey was banned, one of those great government tests(?)

but it is still being sold. Such a small market they are really not pushing

the ban unless someone complains.

Let me know how you make out on finding any DMSO.

Take care

Dave

[Guest guest]

 

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pfalkod

Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:58 PM

Re: 5 things that bring pain relief to your dog almost over night!

 

Hi Aileen: *Hi pfalkod!

I have a couple of suggestions to add to Doc's excellent advice for Micaleen.

I have a 9-year-old, 90-pound Golden Retriever who still jumps around like a puppy. We adopted him 2-1/2 years ago. From the day he came to live with us, I've been feeding him a high-quality meat-based diet, with a glucosamine/chondroitin supplement. For the food, I make a special trip to the feed store.

(Have you read the labels on the dog food at the grocery store? Even the "premium" brands are full of byproducts and carbohydrates and floor sweepings that your fine carnivore doesn't need. My dog eats SO much better than I do!) The feed store also carries the supplements, but I get my preferred brand from a veterinary catalog.

*Couple of my favourite quotes:

"Do you know what is in 'meat meal', the major constituent of dry dog food?....Urine, fecal matter, hair, pus, meat[from animals,afflicted]with cancer and T.B., etc." Wendell O. Belfield, D.V.M.

*Not to mention the perservatives!

"When the moist foods came out, we figured they must have a very strong perservative, because they need no refrigeration. Many of them do have a cery strong preservative~formalin...Formalin is such a good perservative, in fact, that undertakers use quite a lot of it!" Thomas A. Newland, D.V.M.

All my dogs and all of my cats(30+) have been on a Species Appropriate Raw Diet for some years now..Before that I prepared a 'home cooked' meal for them, before that I had a 40 wheeler truck deliver pallets of the highest quality kibble I could find ...As a 25yr. Vegetarian veteran, who doesn't even allow 'meat' on the property for the humans, it has been especially hard for me to physically be around the raw meat for the furkids...

I survive with a sense of humour :-)

And a learned control of my gag reflex :-)))

especially handy when I shamelessly flirt with the local butchers with their blood & guts stained smocks for a deal on Green Tripe(eeewwww)... In fact, when I first made the 'switch' to 'B.A.R.F.'(biologically appropriate raw food) I wrote a very humourous accounting of my brave venture which Dr. Ian Billinghurst(founder of B.A.R.F.) put on his website for all the 'newbies' to read.

When I lived in isolation in the arctic where there were no vets, I signed up for a two-year Animal Sciences Correspondence program which I completed in 3 months and graduated with highest honours...But it wasn't until I threw all my energies into studying 'alternative' medicines that I could see a real difference in the animals I cared for...With all my training in this area, I still sometimes just turn plain 'idiot' when it comes to treating my own :-) specially when it comes to pain management...

And since I found out about Energy Medicine a few months ago (thanks to Doc's RV/RI course), my big boy and my little kitties get their central and governing meridians traced, and their ears tugged, every day. Just takes a minute to do.

 

**THANK YOU for reminding me!! (still in my suitcase upstairs)....When I was at Donna Eden's 5 day training in San Diego couple of months ago, I bought Titanya's laminated pull out's on dog & cat meridians, which by the way are different than what appears in most books...Titanya had her very gifted mother sit with their dog & cat and actually 'see' where the meridians were and how they flowed and then printed up some charts! VERY handy reference!

I've gotten a lot of useful information from Whole Dog Journal. (Their articles appear to be well-researched and well-written [disclaimer--my only affiliation to WDJ is as a r], and they don't accept advertising.) The current issue contains a report of a small "study" of an herbal arthritis pain-relief product for dogs.

 

**I know it well..they started up around the same time as I co-founded a natural rearing list called, 'WholesomeDane' which I had to eventually let go due to time restraints. Though I still occasionally 'guest speak' there. The product you speak of is called, 'Dog Gone Pain' or DGP it has many of the ingredients listed in the 'Zyflamed' product that I am currently using for Micaleen...

Thank you for your input pfalkod, gee I hope I pronounced that right ;-)

Thanks for reminding me about Donna Eden's Meridian Chart for pets too!

Sincerely,

Aileen W. Donovan

pfalkod

[Guest guest]

Aileen,

 

Most farm stores or vet supply stores will have DMSO for

horses/livestock in gels with " scents added " like rose or aloe, if

you are concerned about the smell. If you do google search on DMSO,

you will find a lot of information--judge for yourself... I believe

the archives or back postings in this group and the mindmastery

group have good summaries.

 

DMSO will penetrate deeply and carry other molecules into the tissue

of your dog or horse. So I would suggest rubber gloves, if you are

concerned about it...

 

Only the very pure (90+%)liquids have a moderate smell to me... but

then I might not be the best judge... my Dad did have me clean out

the hog house a lot... of course he did call that pig sxxt,

the " smell of money " ...

 

Greg R.

 

, " aileen

donovan " <aileendonovan wrote:

>

>

> HI Dr. John M. La Tourette!

> >

>

> > Micaleen is 8yrs old...and has recently developed some

arthritis

> in her back

> > end which is making her limp(both back legs)..

> > Some days are pretty bad...some days she's fairly normal with

just

> a very

> > slight limp. She does have a 'fur coat' so I'd rather not dip

her

> in oil

> > lest she projectile right off the bed when hubby & I give her a

> good night

> > squeeze :-)

>

> Give her a tablespoon of olive oil mixed into her dog food.

> She'll eat it.

 

[snip]

 

> Thank you for your time, Sir...

>

> Sincerely, Aileen W. Donovan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI Dave,

 

About the Comfrey & DMSO for my arthritic rottie/innuit dog...

 

I only have previously used Comfrey as a salve applied to help knit bones....So I was surprised when you mentionned it in particular for Micaleen's arthritis...I was able to purchase the comfrey 'extract' and when I got home and read the bottle it says for 'external use only'....I thought I was suppose to put a few drops on her food or something, so was not surprised when the nutritionist at the health food store merely said, 'dilute it with some water if you like'....But it says on the bottle to use it undiluted directly on the SKIN....

 

How did you use it for your retriever?

 

As for the DMSO, I checked out the health food store just for dirt, and they didn't have it...I sent my hubby off to the ' Co-op' in my little french village here as I figured he'd do better than me with the locals as he does have a french name and can parlez the local lingo a bit...Alas, they told him that in Quebec, they could only get some in with a prescription note from a veterinarian...

 

Luckily, our farm straddles the Quebec/Ontario border so it wasn't a stretch to go into the little town in Ontario and go to it's co-op...They didn't have any in stock there as they told Tom that it just is never requested...But they'll order it...so...fingers crossed...looks good for getting some from Ontario...

 

I'll let you know if we end up being able to get it.

Thanks Dave,

Sincerely,

Aileen W. Donovan

 

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David Gluth

Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:01 AM

Re: 5 things that bring pain relief to your dog almost over night!

Hi Aileen:Looks like you have all yours bases coveredYou are right, comfrey was banned, one of those great government tests(?)but it is still being sold. Such a small market they are really not pushingthe ban unless someone complains.Let me know how you make out on finding any DMSO.Take careDave

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Gregory

Saturday, April 22, 2006 12:43 AM

Re: 5 things that bring pain relief to your dog almost over night!

 

Aileen, *Hey Greg,Most farm stores or vet supply stores will have DMSO for horses/livestock in gels with "scents added" like rose or aloe, if you are concerned about the smell. If you do google search on DMSO, you will find a lot of information--judge for yourself... I believe the archives or back postings in this group and the mindmastery group have good summaries.

 

*I'm not really concerned about the odour...I'm not very 'clairsmellient' unless I'm in alpha :-) Though the smell of 'rose/garlic' would be interesting...I still haven't found any smell more 'permeating' than fresh green tripe...unless we're talking dead human body, and well, let's not go there....DMSO will penetrate deeply and carry other molecules into the tissue of your dog or horse. So I would suggest rubber gloves, if you are concerned about it...

 

*Would that not then carry the molecules of 'rubber glove' into the dog or horse? I'm not worried about getting anything leached into MY hands, I'm concerned that only the 'good stuff' goes into my pet.Only the very pure (90+%)liquids have a moderate smell to me... but then I might not be the best judge... my Dad did have me clean out the hog house a lot... of course he did call that pig sxxt, the "smell of money"...

 

*And it did help garner you those big strong arms ;-)

Aileen.

Greg R.

[Guest guest]

Hi Aileen:

I just put a few drops in her water. Yea the label will say external only, protect their butts. Like I mentioned Government banned it using really bad tests. You know the kind, feed a few rats 10x the amount any human would ever eat. And oh my it had a liver problem. So would any living thing..

 

I am in Ontario so it will be cool if you can get some I can start to try and track some down to then. Anytime I asked it was always same answer "Nope banned years ago..

 

Dave

 

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aileen donovan

04/24/06 20:16:30

 

Re: 5 things that bring pain relief to your dog almost over night!

 

HI Dave,

 

About the Comfrey & DMSO for my arthritic rottie/innuit dog...

 

I only have previously used Comfrey as a salve applied to help knit bones....So I was surprised when you mentionned it in particular for Micaleen's arthritis...I was able to purchase the comfrey 'extract' and when I got home and read the bottle it says for 'external use only'....I thought I was suppose to put a few drops on her food or something, so was not surprised when the nutritionist at the health food store merely said, 'dilute it with some water if you like'....But it says on the bottle to use it undiluted directly on the SKIN....

 

How did you use it for your retriever?

 

As for the DMSO, I checked out the health food store just for dirt, and they didn't have it...I sent my hubby off to the ' Co-op' in my little french village here as I figured he'd do better than me with the locals as he does have a french name and can parlez the local lingo a bit...Alas, they told him that in Quebec, they could only get some in with a prescription note from a veterinarian...

 

Luckily, our farm straddles the Quebec/Ontario border so it wasn't a stretch to go into the little town in Ontario and go to it's co-op...They didn't have any in stock there as they told Tom that it just is never requested...But they'll order it...so...fingers crossed...looks good for getting some from Ontario...

 

I'll let you know if we end up being able to get it.

Thanks Dave,

Sincerely,

Aileen W. Donovan

 

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David Gluth

Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:01 AM

Re: 5 things that bring pain relief to your dog almost over night!

Hi Aileen:Looks like you have all yours bases coveredYou are right, comfrey was banned, one of those great government tests(?)but it is still being sold. Such a small market they are really not pushingthe ban unless someone complains.Let me know how you make out on finding any DMSO.Take careDave