Fybromyalgia

[Guest guest]

Everything about fibromyalgia is out of the ordinary... start there.

doug

 

, " krhkempo " <krhkempo@a...> wrote:

> Could anyone tell me whether they have had a similar experience:

> I have a couple of diagnosed fybromyalgia patients, each of whom

> are reporting the experience of regressing through their illness

> after 4 treatments. They initially feel better and then get worse.

> One actually reported that she felt as if she were back at the time

> of the onset of her illness which began after 2 consecutive car

> accidents. They have made no other change in their routines nor

> medication.

> It is very disconcerting yet seems almost appropriate to their

> initial presentation. However, I don't want to arrogantly ignore this

> progression. I have been using shallow needling with a minimum of

> small gauge needles. I have avoided herbs due to their apparent

> intense response to gentle treatment.

> Has anyone had this experience and if so how have you seen it

> progress?What treatment methods have you employed?Anything out of the

> ordinary?

>

> Ken Hoffman, D.Ac, L.Ac, CCH

> Arcadia Health Center

> 499 Federal Rd

> Brookfield, CT 06804

> 203-740-9300

[Guest guest]

Here's additional infomation for fibromyalgia that may be helpful for you and

your patients:

 

Fibromyalgia is a soft tissue Musculoskeletal Syndrome that is similar to

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (it differs from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) in that

the primary symptom of Fatigue that is experienced by CFS patients is replaced

with Musculoskeletal Pain in Fibromyalgia patients).

 

Prevalence research

Fibromyalgia affects approximately 3.5% of women and 0.5% of men. Some research

indicates that Fibromyalgia may affect 2% to 6% of the population.

Approximately 85% of Fibromyalgia patients are young women and 90% of

Fibromyalgia patients are women.

Some experts claim that Fibromyalgia is the second most common rheumatic

condition.

Women afflicted with Fibromyalgia are usually aged 20 - 60 (most commonly 45 to

55).

Although Fibromyalgia is less prevalent in men, men experience more severe

symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

These Substances Alleviate Fibromyalgia

Alkaloids

Capsaicin (applied topically) alleviates the Musculoskeletal Pain associated

with Fibromyalgia. research

Amino Acids

5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan) (50 - 300 mg per day (or night)) alleviates

Fibromyalgia. research

Fibromyalgia patients have significantly lower levels of Creatine than healthy

people (and supplemental Creatine Monohydrate may help to restore endogenous

Creatine levels to normal in Fibromyalgia patients) - studies to determine

whether supplemental Creatine Monohydrate could alleviate Fibromyalgia have not

yet been performed. research

Fibromyalgia patients generally exhibit significantly lower plasma Histidine

levels compared to normal subjects.

Phenylalanine (L-Phenylalanine form) improves the condition of Fibromyalgia

patients (according to anecdotal reports). research

Supplemental S-Adenosylmethionine (SAM) (800 mg per day or more) alleviates

Fibromyalgia: research

- Specific improvements in the symptoms of Fibromyalgia caused by SAM therapy

include a significant reduction in the number of trigger points, reduction in

Fatigue, reduction in morning stiffness and improvements in Mood.

Fibromyalgia patients generally exhibit significantly lower plasma Serine levels

compared to normal subjects. research

Fibromyalgia patients usually exhibit decreased Tryptophan transport mechanisms

and usually exhibit significantly lowered Tryptophan levels (indicating that

supplemental Tryptophan may be of benefit to Fibromyalgia patients). research

Auxins

Ascorbigen alleviates the symptoms of Fibromyalgia. research

Preliminary reports indicate that Indole-3-Carbinol may alleviate some of the

symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

Carbohydrates

Hyaluronic Acid (consumed orally) is claimed to alleviate Fibromyalgia.

Coenzymes

NADH alleviates some cases of Fibromyalgia. research

Growth Factors

Approximately 33% of Fibromyalgia patients exhibit low levels of Insulin-like

Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) - this occurs most likely as a result of insufficient

release of Human Growth Hormone): research

Hormones

DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone) alleviates many of the symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

research

Supplemental, exogenous Human Growth Hormone (administered under professional

guidance) causes significant improvement in the condition of Fibromyalgia

patients. research

Melatonin helps to correct the impairment of Slow Wave Sleep (deep Sleep)

experienced by Fibromyalgia patients. research

Progesterone alleviates many cases of Fibromyalgia (according to many anecdotal

reports). research

Relaxin alleviates the symptoms of Fibromyalgia and Relaxin depletion is

speculated to be an underlying cause of Fibromyalgia. research

One theory of the cause of Fibromyalgia states that it occurs as a result of a

state of hypometabolism in the body’s Cells that can be corrected by

supplementation with exogenous Triiodothyronine (T3) combined with regular

Aerobic Exercise. Clinical studies have demonstrated that 75 - 150 micrograms

per day of exogenous Triiodothyronine sometimes cures Fibromyalgia. research

Lipids

Cetyl Myristoleate (CMO) alleviates the Inflammation of the Joints associated

with Fibromyalgia. research

Minerals

Magnesium deficiency within Muscle Fibers is speculated to be a factor in the

development of Fibromyalgia: research

- Daily supplementation of 300 - 600 mg of Magnesium (especially from the

Magnesium Malate form) has resulted in significant improvements in the number of

tender points in Fibromyalgia patients.

- Some researchers speculate that this improvement results from the Malic Acid

content of Magnesium Malate rather than the Magnesium content, although there is

also evidence that Magnesium contributes significantly to the effectiveness of

Magnesium Malate.

Fibromyalgia patients are generally found to have low Phosphorus (Phosphate)

levels. research

Neurotransmitters

Insufficient production of Serotonin has been speculated to be a cause of

Fibromyalgia. research

Organic Acids

Malic Acid ((2,400 mg per day combined with 600 mg of Magnesium) has caused

significant improvement in the number of tender points in Fibromyalgia patients.

research

Polyphenols

Oleoeuropein alleviates Fibromyalgia (according to the observations of many

physicians).

Smart Drugs

Gamma-Hydroxybutyric Acid (GHB) alleviates Fibromyalgia. research

Sulfuric Compounds

Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM) is speculated to be a valuable treatment for

Fibromyalgia. research

Vitamins

Fibromyalgia patients generally have abnormally low Vitamin B12 levels

(indicating that supplemental Vitamin B12 may be useful for the treatment of

Fibromyalgia). research

These Foods/Herbs Alleviate Fibromyalgia

Algae

Chlorella decreases the Pain associated with Fibromyalgia and improves the

“quality of life” of Fibromyalgia patients. research

Herbs

Aloe vera (consumed orally) alleviates the symptoms of Fibromyalgia. research

Olive Leaf alleviates many of the symptoms of Fibromyalgia (primarily due to

the Oleoeuropein content of Olive Leaf) (according to the observations of some

physicians). research

Saint John’s Wort alleviates some of the symptoms (Pain) of Fibromyalgia

(primarily due to the ability of Saint John’s Wort to increase Brain Serotonin

levels). research

Other Factors that Treat Fibromyalgia

Exercise

Regular Aerobic Exercise provides positive (but short term) benefits to

Fibromyalgia patients. research

Physical Therapies for Fibromyalgia

Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation (TENS) is a popular means of

treatment for Fibromyalgia.

Orthodox Medical Treatment of Fibromyalgia

Pharmaceutical Drugs

Ibuprofen is sometimes prescribed to Fibromyalgia patients (although clinical

studies have shown that Ibuprofen is no more effective than placebo for the

treatment of Fibromyalgia). research

Amitryptyline is sometimes prescribed to Fibromyalgia patients (although

Amitryptyline provides some relief from Fibromyalgia symptoms, its long term use

is discouraged due to the severe side effects associated with long term use of

Tricyclic Antidepressants).

These Substances May Cause Fibromyalgia

Amino Acids

Fibromyalgia patients are generally found to have elevated Homocysteine levels

(suggesting that elevated Homocysteine could be a possible underlying cause of

Fibromyalgia). research

Hormones

High levels of Reverse T3 are common in Fibromyalgia patients. research

Viruses

Prior infection by the Influenza Virus Type A has been speculated to predispose

humans to Fibromyalgia at a later stage (i.e. after the initial Influenza caused

by this Virus, Fibromyalgia may occur at a later date). research

These Ailments May Cause Fibromyalgia (Underlying Cause of Fibromyalgia)

Digestive System

Intestinal Permeability is an underlying cause of some cases of Fibromyalgia.

Immune System

Overactivity of TH2 Helper T-Cells (known as TH2 Helper T-Cells Dominance) is

one of the features of Fibromyalgia.

Metabolism

A decrease in Energy available for Muscle contractions and an inability of the

Muscles to relax after contraction has occurred is presently believed to be the

underlying cause of Fibromyalgia. With time the plasma membrane (Sarcolemma)

that surrounds groups of Muscle Fibers becomes tight and thick, causing further

Muscle Pain.

Hypothyroidism is a possible precipitating factor (and possibly a direct cause)

of Fibromyalgia. research

Symptoms of Fibromyalgia

A diagnosis of Fibromyalgia requires fulfillment of the following major criteria

and four or more minor criteria:

MAJOR CRITERIA

Cells

Fibromyalgia patients have been found to have a high incidence of damage to the

Mitochondria of their Cells. research

Musculoskeletal System

The primary symptom of Fibromyalgia is chronic Musculoskeletal Pain (particlarly

Muscle Pain) characterized by: peer-reviewed research

- Generalized Pain or stiffness of at least three anatomic sites for at least

three months.

- 11 or more typical, reproducible Tender Points (the American College of

Rheumatology describes 18 points over Muscles and Tendons).

- Exclusion of other ailments that can cause similar symptoms.

- A feeling that the Muscles and/or Joints are being “glued down”, gelling when

the body is in one position for any period of time.

- This Musculoskeletal Pain is often at its worst first thing in the morning

(and is therefore known as Morning Stiffness) and usually lasts for more than

thirty minutes.

MINOR CRITERIA

Digestive System

Irritable Bowel Syndrome is one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia. 70% of

Fibromyalgia patients experience Irritable Bowel Syndrome which is characterized

by alternating Diarrhea and Constipation, Intestinal Cramps, Flatulence and

Nausea. research

Metabolism

Generalized Fatigue (similar to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) is one of the minor

symptoms of Fibromyalgia. 85% of Fibromyalgia patients experience overwhelming

tiredness accompanied by an inability to perform physical tasks. This Fatigue

occurs without any precipitating events. research

Musculoskeletal System

Joint and other soft tissues Inflammation (swelling) is one of the minor

symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

Nervous System

Anxiety is one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia - 62% of Fibromyalgia

patients experience Anxiety, Irritability and overconcern without any specific

precipitating events causing these feelings.

Depression is one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

Chronic Headache or Migraine is one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia -

approximately 70% of Fibromyalgia patients experience Headaches or Migraines.

Insomnia and other Sleep Disorders are one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia

(and are speculated to be the underlying primary cause of Fibromyalgia):

research

- 80% of Fibromyalgia patients have severely disrupted and insufficient

quantities of Slow-Wave Sleep. Fibromyalgia patients’ Slow-Wave Sleep is often

of the type known as Alpha/Delta Sleep (characterized by a mixture of Delta

Waves and Alpha Waves instead of purely Delta Waves). research

- It often takes Fibromyalgia patients one or two hours to fall asleep and any

noise, smell or other sensory stimuli may arouse them.

- Fibromyalgia patients generally sleep restlessly, waking 2 - 29 times per

night and they awaken feeling stiff, sore and fatigued.

- Muscles usually maintain a high level during rest and breathing continues

shallow and erratic.

Numbness is one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

Variation in symptoms associated with activity, Stress and weather changes is

one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

Vertigo is one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

Fibromyalgia Increases the Risk of these Ailments

Musculoskeletal System

Fibromyalgia patients have a greater risk of Osteoporosis. research

Mis-Diagnosis of Fibromyalgia?

Some experts believe that some cases of Fibromyalgia have been mis-diagnosed and

that many people diagnosed with Fibromyalgia are actually afflicted with

Osteomalacia. references

Forms of Fibromyalgia

The symptoms of both forms of Fibromyalgia are identical.

Primary Fibromyalgia is Fibromyalgia where the origin is uncertain.

Post-Traumatic Fibromyalgia occurs as a result of a physical injury such as a

fall or whiplash.

 

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krhkempo <krhkempo wrote:

Could anyone tell me whether they have had a similar experience:

I have a couple of diagnosed fybromyalgia patients, each of whom

are reporting the experience of regressing through their illness

after 4 treatments. They initially feel better and then get worse.

One actually reported that she felt as if she were back at the time

of the onset of her illness which began after 2 consecutive car

accidents. They have made no other change in their routines nor

medication.

It is very disconcerting yet seems almost appropriate to their

initial presentation. However, I don't want to arrogantly ignore this

progression. I have been using shallow needling with a minimum of

small gauge needles. I have avoided herbs due to their apparent

intense response to gentle treatment.

Has anyone had this experience and if so how have you seen it

progress?What treatment methods have you employed?Anything out of the

ordinary?

 

Ken Hoffman, D.Ac, L.Ac, CCH

Arcadia Health Center

499 Federal Rd

Brookfield, CT 06804

203-740-9300

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board

approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free

discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken,

 

As a person living with fibromyalgia, and also as a healer, your patients'

experience makes sense to me for several reasons. I also find that as my

healing progresses, I experience states that are reminiscent of times earlier in

the course of my illness, when my symptoms were more severe. I think of this as

akin to the homeopathic concept of moving through " layers " of illness, the

surface layer representing the current time and each deeper layer being further

away in the patient's history. The healing occurs in reverse chronological

order, the theory goes, and as this happens, previous symptoms return as that

layer comes to the surface. Also according to this theory, as you get close to

the original symptoms, the illness should be closer to resolution.

 

However, in my own experience, any of a variety of factors may trigger symptoms

from any one of these layers at any point of time. Such factors can include

weather changes, stress, trauma, emotions, and even memories. This is one of

the confusing things about fibromyalgia, and it makes it hard to accurately

assess what is true progress. For myself, I take a bigger view and measure

progress by comparing symptoms of each season to symptoms of that same season in

years past. My day-to-day experience of living with fibromyalgia is far too

variable to come to any conclusions in shorter periods of time.

 

If you have more specific questions, you may contact me off-list.

 

 

 

krhkempo <krhkempo wrote:

Could anyone tell me whether they have had a similar experience:

I have a couple of diagnosed fybromyalgia patients, each of whom

are reporting the experience of regressing through their illness

after 4 treatments. They initially feel better and then get worse.

One actually reported that she felt as if she were back at the time

of the onset of her illness which began after 2 consecutive car

accidents. They have made no other change in their routines nor

medication.

It is very disconcerting yet seems almost appropriate to their

initial presentation. However, I don't want to arrogantly ignore this

progression. I have been using shallow needling with a minimum of

small gauge needles. I have avoided herbs due to their apparent

intense response to gentle treatment.

Has anyone had this experience and if so how have you seen it

progress?What treatment methods have you employed?Anything out of the

ordinary?

 

Ken Hoffman, D.Ac, L.Ac, CCH

Arcadia Health Center

499 Federal Rd

Brookfield, CT 06804

203-740-9300

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board

approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free

discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken,

 

I forgot to mention what works for me. When I have flare-ups of muscle

tightness and spasms (my most prevalent and troubling symptom), needling

Nogier's ear points for acute spine problems (most of my problems are in my

back) are most helpful;they stop the spasms, prevent them from spreading, and

allow them to resolve in 1 to 3 days, when historically they would linger for

months. Blood tonics and liver-soothing herbs give me the most relief from

underlying stiffness, but chai hu tends to make it worse. When anxiety is

predominant, I use mild shen-calming herbs. Now my symptoms are manageable most

of the time without direct treatment, and I can address underlying patterns of

stagnant deep phlegm rheum generating heat, wood invading earth, wei qi

deficiency, and internal cold. It is a delicate balance that is easily knocked

off-kilter by just a little too much of this or that. I find it is also useful

to incorporate periods where I don't use any herbs at all, so I can evaluate my

current " innate state " and determine what to do next. I primarily do this

during seasons in which I usually experience the fewest fibromyalgia symptoms.

 

By the way, if you haven't done so already, ask your patients how their symptoms

vary throughout the year. They may not have thought about it in this way, but

if they can, it can be very interesting and revealing.

 

Lastly, I believe any acupuncture treatment has great potential to bring a

patient closer to the symptoms of their original diagnosis if an acute injury or

trauma is involved (this experience is less common with chronic or repetitive

injuries preceding diagnosis). I think this is so because of our bodies'

abilities to store memories, and because acupuncture works on the emotional as

well as physical aspects, those memories can be easily accessed, and

re-experienced. Thus, a patient may experience what you describe - symptoms

that are similar or identical to those at the time of their original diagnosis.

The tricky thing is keeping your patients from panicking if and when this

occurs, because it feels like things are getting worse. Anxiety is part of the

symptomology of fibromyalgia and can greatly contribute to the exacerbation of

physical symptoms; anxiety can spiral into panic, and this must be avoided. If

you can help your patients keep calm during this phase of their

healing, my experience is that it will pass more quickly. I personally haven't

experienced complete resolution of fibromyalgia after any of these episodes, but

that doesn't mean your patients won't. Why I like TCM so much for fibromyalgia,

is that no two patients with this diagnosis have identical patterns or healing

course. You'll need to stay in the present with them, and on your toes.

 

In the big picture, I use acupuncture for acute flare-ups, and herbs for

constitutional treatment. After many years of acupuncture treatment, I've not

found it helpful for the underlying patterns.

 

 

 

krhkempo <krhkempo wrote:

Could anyone tell me whether they have had a similar experience:

I have a couple of diagnosed fybromyalgia patients, each of whom

are reporting the experience of regressing through their illness

after 4 treatments. They initially feel better and then get worse.

One actually reported that she felt as if she were back at the time

of the onset of her illness which began after 2 consecutive car

accidents. They have made no other change in their routines nor

medication.

It is very disconcerting yet seems almost appropriate to their

initial presentation. However, I don't want to arrogantly ignore this

progression. I have been using shallow needling with a minimum of

small gauge needles. I have avoided herbs due to their apparent

intense response to gentle treatment.

Has anyone had this experience and if so how have you seen it

progress?What treatment methods have you employed?Anything out of the

ordinary?

 

Ken Hoffman, D.Ac, L.Ac, CCH

Arcadia Health Center

499 Federal Rd

Brookfield, CT 06804

203-740-9300

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board

approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free

discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Brian,

 

This is pretty comprehensive. However, even though fibromyalgia is considered a

rheumatic condition, when I went to see a rheumatologist, he told me

rheumatologists don't treat it. Also, the information I have seen states that

there is no inflammation involved in fibromyalgia. Like everything else with

fibrymyalgia, contradictions abound.

 

 

 

Brian Hardy <mischievous00 wrote:

Here's additional infomation for fibromyalgia that may be helpful for you and

your patients:

 

Fibromyalgia is a soft tissue Musculoskeletal Syndrome that is similar to

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (it differs from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) in that

the primary symptom of Fatigue that is experienced by CFS patients is replaced

with Musculoskeletal Pain in Fibromyalgia patients).

 

Prevalence research

Fibromyalgia affects approximately 3.5% of women and 0.5% of men. Some research

indicates that Fibromyalgia may affect 2% to 6% of the population.

Approximately 85% of Fibromyalgia patients are young women and 90% of

Fibromyalgia patients are women.

Some experts claim that Fibromyalgia is the second most common rheumatic

condition.

Women afflicted with Fibromyalgia are usually aged 20 - 60 (most commonly 45 to

55).

Although Fibromyalgia is less prevalent in men, men experience more severe

symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

These Substances Alleviate Fibromyalgia

Alkaloids

Capsaicin (applied topically) alleviates the Musculoskeletal Pain associated

with Fibromyalgia. research

Amino Acids

5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan) (50 - 300 mg per day (or night)) alleviates

Fibromyalgia. research

Fibromyalgia patients have significantly lower levels of Creatine than healthy

people (and supplemental Creatine Monohydrate may help to restore endogenous

Creatine levels to normal in Fibromyalgia patients) - studies to determine

whether supplemental Creatine Monohydrate could alleviate Fibromyalgia have not

yet been performed. research

Fibromyalgia patients generally exhibit significantly lower plasma Histidine

levels compared to normal subjects.

Phenylalanine (L-Phenylalanine form) improves the condition of Fibromyalgia

patients (according to anecdotal reports). research

Supplemental S-Adenosylmethionine (SAM) (800 mg per day or more) alleviates

Fibromyalgia: research

- Specific improvements in the symptoms of Fibromyalgia caused by SAM therapy

include a significant reduction in the number of trigger points, reduction in

Fatigue, reduction in morning stiffness and improvements in Mood.

Fibromyalgia patients generally exhibit significantly lower plasma Serine levels

compared to normal subjects. research

Fibromyalgia patients usually exhibit decreased Tryptophan transport mechanisms

and usually exhibit significantly lowered Tryptophan levels (indicating that

supplemental Tryptophan may be of benefit to Fibromyalgia patients). research

Auxins

Ascorbigen alleviates the symptoms of Fibromyalgia. research

Preliminary reports indicate that Indole-3-Carbinol may alleviate some of the

symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

Carbohydrates

Hyaluronic Acid (consumed orally) is claimed to alleviate Fibromyalgia.

Coenzymes

NADH alleviates some cases of Fibromyalgia. research

Growth Factors

Approximately 33% of Fibromyalgia patients exhibit low levels of Insulin-like

Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) - this occurs most likely as a result of insufficient

release of Human Growth Hormone): research

Hormones

DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone) alleviates many of the symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

research

Supplemental, exogenous Human Growth Hormone (administered under professional

guidance) causes significant improvement in the condition of Fibromyalgia

patients. research

Melatonin helps to correct the impairment of Slow Wave Sleep (deep Sleep)

experienced by Fibromyalgia patients. research

Progesterone alleviates many cases of Fibromyalgia (according to many anecdotal

reports). research

Relaxin alleviates the symptoms of Fibromyalgia and Relaxin depletion is

speculated to be an underlying cause of Fibromyalgia. research

One theory of the cause of Fibromyalgia states that it occurs as a result of a

state of hypometabolism in the body’s Cells that can be corrected by

supplementation with exogenous Triiodothyronine (T3) combined with regular

Aerobic Exercise. Clinical studies have demonstrated that 75 - 150 micrograms

per day of exogenous Triiodothyronine sometimes cures Fibromyalgia. research

Lipids

Cetyl Myristoleate (CMO) alleviates the Inflammation of the Joints associated

with Fibromyalgia. research

Minerals

Magnesium deficiency within Muscle Fibers is speculated to be a factor in the

development of Fibromyalgia: research

- Daily supplementation of 300 - 600 mg of Magnesium (especially from the

Magnesium Malate form) has resulted in significant improvements in the number of

tender points in Fibromyalgia patients.

- Some researchers speculate that this improvement results from the Malic Acid

content of Magnesium Malate rather than the Magnesium content, although there is

also evidence that Magnesium contributes significantly to the effectiveness of

Magnesium Malate.

Fibromyalgia patients are generally found to have low Phosphorus (Phosphate)

levels. research

Neurotransmitters

Insufficient production of Serotonin has been speculated to be a cause of

Fibromyalgia. research

Organic Acids

Malic Acid ((2,400 mg per day combined with 600 mg of Magnesium) has caused

significant improvement in the number of tender points in Fibromyalgia patients.

research

Polyphenols

Oleoeuropein alleviates Fibromyalgia (according to the observations of many

physicians).

Smart Drugs

Gamma-Hydroxybutyric Acid (GHB) alleviates Fibromyalgia. research

Sulfuric Compounds

Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM) is speculated to be a valuable treatment for

Fibromyalgia. research

Vitamins

Fibromyalgia patients generally have abnormally low Vitamin B12 levels

(indicating that supplemental Vitamin B12 may be useful for the treatment of

Fibromyalgia). research

These Foods/Herbs Alleviate Fibromyalgia

Algae

Chlorella decreases the Pain associated with Fibromyalgia and improves the

“quality of life” of Fibromyalgia patients. research

Herbs

Aloe vera (consumed orally) alleviates the symptoms of Fibromyalgia. research

Olive Leaf alleviates many of the symptoms of Fibromyalgia (primarily due to the

Oleoeuropein content of Olive Leaf) (according to the observations of some

physicians). research

Saint John’s Wort alleviates some of the symptoms (Pain) of Fibromyalgia

(primarily due to the ability of Saint John’s Wort to increase Brain Serotonin

levels). research

Other Factors that Treat Fibromyalgia

Exercise

Regular Aerobic Exercise provides positive (but short term) benefits to

Fibromyalgia patients. research

Physical Therapies for Fibromyalgia

Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation (TENS) is a popular means of

treatment for Fibromyalgia.

Orthodox Medical Treatment of Fibromyalgia

Pharmaceutical Drugs

Ibuprofen is sometimes prescribed to Fibromyalgia patients (although clinical

studies have shown that Ibuprofen is no more effective than placebo for the

treatment of Fibromyalgia). research

Amitryptyline is sometimes prescribed to Fibromyalgia patients (although

Amitryptyline provides some relief from Fibromyalgia symptoms, its long term use

is discouraged due to the severe side effects associated with long term use of

Tricyclic Antidepressants).

These Substances May Cause Fibromyalgia

Amino Acids

Fibromyalgia patients are generally found to have elevated Homocysteine levels

(suggesting that elevated Homocysteine could be a possible underlying cause of

Fibromyalgia). research

Hormones

High levels of Reverse T3 are common in Fibromyalgia patients. research

Viruses

Prior infection by the Influenza Virus Type A has been speculated to predispose

humans to Fibromyalgia at a later stage (i.e. after the initial Influenza caused

by this Virus, Fibromyalgia may occur at a later date). research

These Ailments May Cause Fibromyalgia (Underlying Cause of Fibromyalgia)

Digestive System

Intestinal Permeability is an underlying cause of some cases of Fibromyalgia.

Immune System

Overactivity of TH2 Helper T-Cells (known as TH2 Helper T-Cells Dominance) is

one of the features of Fibromyalgia.

Metabolism

A decrease in Energy available for Muscle contractions and an inability of the

Muscles to relax after contraction has occurred is presently believed to be the

underlying cause of Fibromyalgia. With time the plasma membrane (Sarcolemma)

that surrounds groups of Muscle Fibers becomes tight and thick, causing further

Muscle Pain.

Hypothyroidism is a possible precipitating factor (and possibly a direct cause)

of Fibromyalgia. research

Symptoms of Fibromyalgia

A diagnosis of Fibromyalgia requires fulfillment of the following major criteria

and four or more minor criteria:

MAJOR CRITERIA

Cells

Fibromyalgia patients have been found to have a high incidence of damage to the

Mitochondria of their Cells. research

Musculoskeletal System

The primary symptom of Fibromyalgia is chronic Musculoskeletal Pain (particlarly

Muscle Pain) characterized by: peer-reviewed research

- Generalized Pain or stiffness of at least three anatomic sites for at least

three months.

- 11 or more typical, reproducible Tender Points (the American College of

Rheumatology describes 18 points over Muscles and Tendons).

- Exclusion of other ailments that can cause similar symptoms.

- A feeling that the Muscles and/or Joints are being “glued down”, gelling when

the body is in one position for any period of time.

- This Musculoskeletal Pain is often at its worst first thing in the morning

(and is therefore known as Morning Stiffness) and usually lasts for more than

thirty minutes.

MINOR CRITERIA

Digestive System

Irritable Bowel Syndrome is one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia. 70% of

Fibromyalgia patients experience Irritable Bowel Syndrome which is characterized

by alternating Diarrhea and Constipation, Intestinal Cramps, Flatulence and

Nausea. research

Metabolism

Generalized Fatigue (similar to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) is one of the minor

symptoms of Fibromyalgia. 85% of Fibromyalgia patients experience overwhelming

tiredness accompanied by an inability to perform physical tasks. This Fatigue

occurs without any precipitating events. research

Musculoskeletal System

Joint and other soft tissues Inflammation (swelling) is one of the minor

symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

Nervous System

Anxiety is one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia - 62% of Fibromyalgia

patients experience Anxiety, Irritability and overconcern without any specific

precipitating events causing these feelings.

Depression is one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

Chronic Headache or Migraine is one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia -

approximately 70% of Fibromyalgia patients experience Headaches or Migraines.

Insomnia and other Sleep Disorders are one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia

(and are speculated to be the underlying primary cause of Fibromyalgia):

research

- 80% of Fibromyalgia patients have severely disrupted and insufficient

quantities of Slow-Wave Sleep. Fibromyalgia patients’ Slow-Wave Sleep is often

of the type known as Alpha/Delta Sleep (characterized by a mixture of Delta

Waves and Alpha Waves instead of purely Delta Waves). research

- It often takes Fibromyalgia patients one or two hours to fall asleep and any

noise, smell or other sensory stimuli may arouse them.

- Fibromyalgia patients generally sleep restlessly, waking 2 - 29 times per

night and they awaken feeling stiff, sore and fatigued.

- Muscles usually maintain a high level during rest and breathing continues

shallow and erratic.

Numbness is one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

Variation in symptoms associated with activity, Stress and weather changes is

one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

Vertigo is one of the minor symptoms of Fibromyalgia.

Fibromyalgia Increases the Risk of these Ailments

Musculoskeletal System

Fibromyalgia patients have a greater risk of Osteoporosis. research

Mis-Diagnosis of Fibromyalgia?

Some experts believe that some cases of Fibromyalgia have been mis-diagnosed and

that many people diagnosed with Fibromyalgia are actually afflicted with

Osteomalacia. references

Forms of Fibromyalgia

The symptoms of both forms of Fibromyalgia are identical.

Primary Fibromyalgia is Fibromyalgia where the origin is uncertain.

Post-Traumatic Fibromyalgia occurs as a result of a physical injury such as a

fall or whiplash.

 

In-Tele-Health © 2002 (from Hyperhealth Pro CD-ROM)

 

krhkempo wrote:

Could anyone tell me whether they have had a similar experience:

I have a couple of diagnosed fybromyalgia patients, each of whom

are reporting the experience of regressing through their illness

after 4 treatments. They initially feel better and then get worse.

One actually reported that she felt as if she were back at the time

of the onset of her illness which began after 2 consecutive car

accidents. They have made no other change in their routines nor

medication.

It is very disconcerting yet seems almost appropriate to their

initial presentation. However, I don't want to arrogantly ignore this

progression. I have been using shallow needling with a minimum of

small gauge needles. I have avoided herbs due to their apparent

intense response to gentle treatment.

Has anyone had this experience and if so how have you seen it

progress?What treatment methods have you employed?Anything out of the

ordinary?

 

Ken Hoffman, D.Ac, L.Ac, CCH

Arcadia Health Center

499 Federal Rd

Brookfield, CT 06804

203-740-9300

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board

approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free

discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Could anyone tell me whether they have had a similar experience:

I have a couple of diagnosed fybromyalgia patients, each of whom

are reporting the experience of regressing through their illness

after 4 treatments

>>>You are over treating

alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

I agree. Reduce the frequency of treatment, perhaps use moxa. You

also need herbs in these cases, most likely supplementing medicinals.

 

Perhaps you could list the cases individually in more detail, with

pulse, tongue, and pattern differentiation.

 

 

On Jul 14, 2004, at 12:51 PM, alon marcus wrote:

 

> Could anyone tell me whether they have had a similar experience:

> I have a couple of diagnosed fybromyalgia patients, each of whom

> are reporting the experience of regressing through their illness

> after 4 treatments

>>>> You are over treating

> alon

[Guest guest]

,

<> wrote:

> Hi Ken,

>

> As a person living with fibromyalgia, and also as a healer, your

patients' experience makes sense to me for several reasons. I also

find that as my healing progresses, I experience states that are

reminiscent of times earlier in the course of my illness, when my

>symptoms were more severe.

 

Can anyone honestly report to us their % success rate with FMS. I

don't want any excuses or caveats about uncompliant patients, just

some raw data. For X number of patients, what % are still cured or

greatly improved 1 year following the cessation of regular weekly

acupuncture treatment. If one needs weekly treatment for maintenance

for ever, I consider that palliation, not cure. But if scrupulous

diet, exercise and tonic herbs alone maintain remission, I do

consider that a cure. But that raises a broader issue. Do others on

this list consider a patient cured if they are symptom free if and

only if they receive weekly acupuncture and take strong herbs for

branch symptoms. If so, I believe that position is essentially one

akin to the idea that a vacuity of herbs and acupuncture cause

disease, rather than emotions, diet and climate.

 

[Guest guest]

On 15/07/2004, at 6:25 AM, wrote:

> Do others on

> this list consider a patient cured if they are symptom free if and

> only if they receive weekly acupuncture and take strong herbs for

> branch symptoms.  If so, I believe that position is essentially one

> akin to the idea that a vacuity of herbs and acupuncture cause

> disease, rather than emotions, diet and climate. 

>

> Todd

>

 

Personally I would not consider such a situation a " cure " . It seems to

me to be palliative in nature; but that may, in certain cases, be the

best outcome due to congenital factors which are next to impossible to

" cure " .

 

Best Wishes,

 

Steve

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On 15/07/2004, at 6:25 AM, wrote:

>

 

> If one needs weekly treatment for maintenance

> for ever, I consider that palliation, not cure.  But if scrupulous

> diet, exercise and tonic herbs alone maintain remission, I do

> consider that a cure.  But that raises a broader issue. 

 

Scrupulous diet, exercise and the use of tonic herbs is a species of

on-going treatment in my eyes. These regimes constantly manipulate the

bodies physiology in a certain direction based on, I assume, a

diagnosis. Therefore they are on-going treatment. On-going treatment is

still treatment and would not be necessary of the condition was

" cured " .

 

However, there may be a gray area between definitions of preventative

treatment and palliative treatment. I feel that such a treatment

approach would fall into the preventative treatment category in TCM

after the initial symptoms are brought under control. Is there such a

concept in TCM of palliation? Or is this the same as preventative? If

so, I see this also as " palliative " rather than a cure.

 

 

> Do others on

> this list consider a patient cured if they are symptom free if and

> only if they receive weekly acupuncture and take strong herbs for

> branch symptoms.  If so, I believe that position is essentially one

> akin to the idea that a vacuity of herbs and acupuncture cause

> disease, rather than emotions, diet and climate. 

>

> Todd

>

 

While I think I see where you are coming from with your last statement;

there is also the cause of disease due to congenital deficiency in

addition to the emotions, diet and climate. A congenital deficiency can

certainly be improved, but is almost impossible to " cure " as such.

 

In such congenital causes of a condition, the necessity of on-going

treatment is not akin to deficiency of acupuncture and herbs.........it

is a congenital imbalance which requires relatively constant

manipulation to maintain a relative balance in the body.

 

 

Best Wishes,

 

Dr. Steven J Slater

Practitioner and Acupuncturist

Mobile: 0418 343 545

chinese_medicine

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

most likely supplementing medicinals

>>>Often needs much care if using supplementing, make sure no pathogenic factors

responsible for symptoms. I actually find it necessary in many FM patients to

first clear pathogenic factors

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Jul 14, 2004, at 4:14 PM, alon marcus wrote:

 

>>>> Often needs much care if using supplementing, make sure no

>>>> pathogenic factors responsible for symptoms. I actually find it

>>>> necessary in many FM patients to first clear pathogenic factors

 

Which pathogenic factors, latent heat? damp heat? Other?

 

I usually see fibromyalgia present as Qi stagnation myself, or with

dampness.

 

--

 

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

-Adlai Stevenson

[Guest guest]

Of course. . . .I am just making a general recommendation based on

limited discussion of S & S.

 

 

On Jul 14, 2004, at 4:14 PM, alon marcus wrote:

 

> most likely supplementing medicinals

>>>> Often needs much care if using supplementing, make sure no

>>>> pathogenic factors responsible for symptoms. I actually find it

>>>> necessary in many FM patients to first clear pathogenic factors

> Alon

>

[Guest guest]

there is often Damp heat and blood stasis in my patients. Many of my patients

had their symptoms start after an injury or viral syndrome. I think all patients

that have been sick for some time by a none pathogenic disease (western) show

signs and symptoms of Qi-stagnation. but many of my patients do not do well if

it is the main guiding principle in herbal formulations.

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

, dragonslive@h... wrote:

 

>

It seems to be the

> best outcome due to congenital factors which are next to impossible to

> " cure " .

 

 

I agree. And would add that the majority of cases fit into this group. TCM can

provide

noniatrogenic palliation, but not cure this illness in most cases. However that

is still a

better outcome than no tx or WM tx. There is a therapy which is supposedly

successful

using a bizarre combination of drugs to trick the brian into a reset mode.

Supposedly it

works for a huge number of people, but the one person I know who has gotten long

term

palliative relief from this approach has not been relieved of her condition

either. She uses

the meds to allow her to maintain the same 70 hour per week work schedule that

probably

was a major factor in her illness. Taxation is a major cause of illness in the

US, right up

there with being fat. Unless people eat right, exercise and get adequate rest,

we are really

spinning our wheels. How many of you promise more energy to patients who eat

poorly

and don't rest? This is disingenuous at best. However it has become a point of

contention

between myself and several interns, whose attitude seems to be that they will

never make

a living unless they promise relief to all patients regardless of lifestyle and

thus rope them

in to endless treatments. I don't blame them. Just about every L.Ac. I know

who makes

more than 100 grand a year from private practice operates this way. thoughts?

For one

who went into the field to change society, not personal gain, this is disturbing

news

indeed. Another harbinger of the eventual demise of the independent acupuncture

profession unless there is an attitude shift away from faith based prosetylizing

and

towards controlled clinical research.

 

[Guest guest]

, dragonslive@h... wrote:

 

> Scrupulous diet, exercise and the use of tonic herbs is a species of

> on-going treatment in my eyes. These regimes constantly manipulate the

> bodies physiology in a certain direction based on, I assume, a

> diagnosis. Therefore they are on-going treatment. On-going treatment is

> still treatment and would not be necessary of the condition was

> " cured " .

 

 

 

I would disagree. Good diet, which includes special foods like tonic herbs and

gentle

blood movers plus exercise and rest are the prerequisites of health maintenance.

They are

definitely preventive, but I don't think they constitute treatment per se, much

as the right

way to live. I would say the same of vitamins, minerals and supplements of

natural body

constituents (like gluscosamine sulfate). The lack of these are the causes of

disease, but

knowing the solution is more about education than medicine, IMO. I am not

referring to

diet specific to a condition, BTW, but just general rules of good eating and

exercise that

apply to all. Would you still consider that treatment? However I am

comfortable with the

appellation of preventive as it distinguishes this from therapeutic

applications.

 

[Guest guest]

On 16/07/2004, at 2:14 AM, wrote:

 

> , dragonslive@h... wrote:

>

> > Scrupulous diet, exercise and the use of tonic herbs is a species of

> > on-going treatment in my eyes. These regimes constantly manipulate

> the

> > bodies physiology in a certain direction based on, I assume, a

> > diagnosis. Therefore they are on-going treatment. On-going

> treatment is

> > still treatment and would not be necessary of the condition was

> > " cured " .

>

>

>

> I would disagree.  Good diet, which includes special foods like tonic

> herbs and gentle

> blood movers plus exercise and rest are the prerequisites of health

> maintenance.  They are

> definitely preventive, but I don't think they constitute treatment

> per se, much as the right

> way to live.  I would say the same of vitamins, minerals and

> supplements of natural body

> constituents (like gluscosamine sulfate).  The lack of these are the

> causes of disease, but

> knowing the solution is more about education than medicine, IMO.  I

> am not referring to

> diet specific to a condition, BTW, but just general rules of good

> eating and exercise that

> apply to all.  Would you still consider that treatment? 

 

 

My previous comments were directed towards the use of these practices

being used in a prescriptive manner to control a chronic, and most

likely; " incurable/congenital " imbalance.

 

If we are talking about dietary and activity advice and the use of

tonics for general balance and disease prevention I agree with you

100%. These approaches are preventative in the most useful sense of the

term; preventing a condition before it is manifest.

 

> Unless people eat right, exercise and get adequate rest, we are really

> spinning our wheels.  How many of you promise more energy to patients

> who eat poorly

> and don't rest?  This is disingenuous at best.  However it has become

> a point of contention

> between myself and several interns, whose attitude seems to be that

> they will never make

> a living unless they promise relief to all patients regardless of

> lifestyle and thus rope them

> in to endless treatments.  I don't blame them.  Just about every

> L.Ac. I know who makes

> more than 100 grand a year from private practice operates this way. 

> thoughts?  For one

> who went into the field to change society, not personal gain, this is

> disturbing news

> indeed.  Another harbinger of the eventual demise of the independent

> acupuncture

> profession unless there is an attitude shift away from faith based

> prosetylizing and

> towards controlled clinical research.

 

As you alluded to; these " active " treaments/preventions are not what

many patients want to hear. Our " advanced " culture and technology seems

to have engendered a belief in society that everything should have a

quick-fix that requires nothing more than the payment of a fee. Too

many shift responsibility for their own lives to " experts " and expect

immediate and lasting results/cures with little effort on their part

besides payment of the appropriate fee.

 

Of course; I am not immune to such thinking at times myself when then

things get difficult and my willpower is low. However, I believe it is

our professional responsibility to educate our patients on the simple

things again.....exercise, diet, relaxation and safe supplementation;

even if we are not the best role models ourselves.

 

The tendency for some in our profession to make unrealistic promises

without educating patients of their vital role in their own recovery

irritates me to no end. It reminds me of the chiropractor who books you

in for a weekly " cracking " without advising you to change that old

chair you sit at 12 hours a day that leans to one side. Money still

" massages " professional ethics to a disturbing degree in our " advanced "

cultre.

 

> However I am comfortable with the

> appellation of preventive as it distinguishes this from therapeutic

> applications.

>

> Todd

>

 

Best Wishes,

 

Dr. Steven J Slater

Practitioner and Acupuncturist

Mobile: 0418 343 545

chinese_medicine

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Jul 15, 2004, at 9:06 AM, wrote:

 

> However it has become a point of contention

> between myself and several interns, whose attitude seems to be that

> they will never make

> a living unless they promise relief to all patients regardless of

> lifestyle and thus rope them

> in to endless treatments. I don't blame them. Just about every L.Ac.

> I know who makes

> more than 100 grand a year from private practice operates this way.

> thoughts?

 

I think that there's a sucker born every minute and two or three times

as many who will exploit them. However, this isn't unique to OM or CAM

or any medicinal paradigm. This is human nature.

 

--

 

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

-Adlai Stevenson

[Guest guest]

Andrea,

Thanks for your informative reply. As a newer practitioner, I was

suprised by the arrogantly uninformed reply by some other experienced

practitioners. It seems discussing philisophy is more important than

real life.

Here's the skinny... there has been improvement. This week one

patient hugged me and said she had not felt that good in 10 years.

She was able for the first time since it was implanted, turn off her

ANS block. Her husband was amazed. The other is beginning to feel

regional pain relief, one area at a time. What did I do? Treat the

pattern diagnosis...OM101. I am glad I did not listen to those who

said i am over treating. It would have been a mistake.

>

> Ken Hoffman, D.Ac, L.Ac, CCH

> Arcadia Health Center

> 499 Federal Rd

> Brookfield, CT 06804

> 203-740-9300

>

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services,

including board approved continuing education classes, an annual

conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken-

 

I just read an article in the June 2004 issue of The Journal of Chinese

Medicine about the so called " unpleasant " responses to acupuncture. In it,

the author concluded that these responses could, in part, be due to

resolution of a lingering pathogenic factor or a re-establishment of the

parasympathetic-sympathetic nervous system balance-- both of which may be

applicable in cases of Fibromyalgia. These could be part of the normal

healing process and something that just has to be worked through. .

..hopefully your patients will stick with it long enough. " Fibromyalgia "

treatment takes a long time. Here's a link for some info from the doctor

that I used to work for who specialized in Fibromyalgia.

 

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/hc/resourceareas_more/1,2308,465,00.html

 

Hope it helps!

 

 

Mary Claire Dilks, D. Ac., MSTOM

Emerging Energy Acupuncture

222 South Water Street

Providence, RI 02903

401.419.1333

 

 

& gt; & quot;krhkempo & quot; & lt;krhkempo & gt;

& gt;

& gt;

& gt; fybromyalgia

& gt;Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:19:19 -0000

& gt;

& gt;Could anyone tell me whether they have had a similar experience:

& gt; I have a couple of diagnosed fybromyalgia patients, each of whom

& gt;are reporting the experience of regressing through their illness

& gt;after 4 treatments. They initially feel better and then get worse.

& gt;One actually reported that she felt as if she were back at the time

& gt;of the onset of her illness which began after 2 consecutive car

& gt;accidents. They have made no other change in their routines nor

& gt;medication.

& gt; It is very disconcerting yet seems almost appropriate to their

& gt;initial presentation. However, I don't want to arrogantly ignore this

& gt;progression. I have been using shallow needling with a minimum of

& gt;small gauge needles. I have avoided herbs due to their apparent

& gt;intense response to gentle treatment.

& gt; Has anyone had this experience and if so how have you seen it

& gt;progress?What treatment methods have you employed?Anything out of the

& gt;ordinary?

& gt;

& gt; Ken Hoffman, D.Ac, L.Ac, CCH

& gt; Arcadia Health Center

& gt; 499 Federal Rd

& gt; Brookfield, CT 06804

& gt; 203-740-9300

& gt;

& gt;

& gt;

 

_______________

MSN Life Events gives you the tips and tools to handle the turning points in

your life. http://lifeevents.msn.com

[Guest guest]

I don't know who you are referring to specifically, but these kinds of

comments are insulting to those busy practitioners who take the time to

respond to your questions, in whatever manner they choose to answer.

 

 

On Jul 15, 2004, at 6:53 PM, krhkempo wrote:

 

> Thanks for your informative reply. As a newer practitioner, I was

> suprised by the arrogantly uninformed reply by some other experienced

> practitioners. It seems discussing philisophy is more important than

> real life.

[Guest guest]

Her husband was amazed. The other is beginning to feel

regional pain relief, one area at a time. What did I do? Treat the

pattern diagnosis...OM101. I am glad I did not listen to those who

said i am over treating. It would have been a mistake.

>

>>>>>>The biggest mistake is to take a week of symptoms and make any

conclusions. With FM lets talk in six months and see. This kind of talk is

totally worthless

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

re-establishment of the

parasympathetic-sympathetic nervous system balance

>>>While i would have less problems with the statement that things often get

worse before they get better. This is definitely not the mechanism. The more

balance the better the patient feels. If you can get excess to thermography you

can see it.

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

Wait one moment. . . .you said in an earlier post that the patients'

symptoms got worse, and if it was possible that over-treating could

have caused this. The answer is yes. Without seeing how you needle,

if you use moxa or not, or seeing the patient (large, thin, weak,

strong) or having data about pulse, tongue, or pattern differentiation,

what do you expect for an answer? And, as Alon points out, the real

test will be in six months time. However, I am glad your patients are

happy, it helps build confidence in what will probably be a long-term

treatment commitment.

 

 

On Jul 15, 2004, at 6:53 PM, krhkempo wrote:

 

> Here's the skinny... there has been improvement. This week one

> patient hugged me and said she had not felt that good in 10 years.

> She was able for the first time since it was implanted, turn off her

> ANS block. Her husband was amazed. The other is beginning to feel

> regional pain relief, one area at a time. What did I do? Treat the

> pattern diagnosis...OM101. I am glad I did not listen to those who

> said i am over treating. It would have been a mistake.

[Guest guest]

According to Schulman who was the author of the article, the 'Mengen "

response is that which occurs as the nervous system is brought into balance.

This is a short-lived state that often involves feelings of nausea,

heightened anxiety, sleep disturbance or agitation for a few days following

treatment. This state is followed by improvement and according to the

classical Japanese practitioners who coined the term, the " mengen " response

is an " unavoidable part of homeostaic rebalancing of the nervous system. "

 

 

Mary Claire Dilks, D. Ac., MSTOM

Emerging Energy Acupuncture

222 South Water Street

Providence, RI 02903

401.419.1333

 

 

& gt; & quot;alon marcus & quot; & lt;alonmarcus & gt;

& gt;

& gt; & lt; & gt;

& gt;Re: fybromyalgia

& gt;Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:41:03 -0700

& gt;

& gt;re-establishment of the

& gt;parasympathetic-sympathetic nervous system balance

& gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;While i would have less problems with the statement that

things often get worse before they get better. This is definitely not the

mechanism. The more balance the better the patient feels. If you can get

excess to thermography you can see it.

& gt;Alon

& gt;

& gt;