Fybromyalgia

July 17, 2004

This state is followed by improvement and according to the

classical Japanese practitioners who coined the term, the " mengen " response

is an " unavoidable part of homeostaic rebalancing of the nervous system. "

>>>>I would like to see the criteria of what he calls nervous system brought

into balance. I have been doing a lot of work lately with thermography which

gives me some objective view. I have also been using other measurements such

as oxygen saturation, heart rate variability, galvanic skin responses, and

all have been consistent with patients feeling better when readings are

improving (with no flare or worsening of symptoms). In patients with

neuropathies some patient do feel increased pain when nerve function is

improving but most feel better without a flare. By the way i understand that

PCOM has thermography equipment and photonic stimulator. Are you guys doing

anything with these?

While my experience is somewhat short, I am more excited with what i have

seen using thermography driven photonic stimulation than anything i have

seen so far in the last 20 years. I have patients with diabetic neuropathy

recovering sensation and having their pain disappear after one treatment. So

far all 3 that i worked on maintained their improvement for one month. I

will be doing a lot of work with this equipment as well as formal studies. I

also had a patient last week with capsulitis of the shoulder of 5 week

duration. She had a true capsular pattern. Thermography showed the

symptomatic should to be colder than the well shoulder (interesting has it

is often what we see in TCM even though its an inflammatory condition).

While i have tried St-38, 39, and 40, many times in the past, i have never

seen a patient that actually improved their glenohumeral obduction during

the treatment. Patients usually look like their range of motion is

increased, but when measured with the scapula fixed, i have never seen a

patient's true ROM improve. Stimulating st-38 area with photonic stimulation

resulted in complete painfree glenohumeral obduction, ie full normal ROM,

without any pain at endrange. This truly surprised me. I will see this

patient again on monday and see if anything significant has occurred.

Alon

July 18, 2004

Alon-

What is photonic stimulation? This is different from low-level

Laser? I gathered that you had some interest in that subject as

well. One is included in CA scope of practice and the other is

not? As you not, it is interesting how these things seem to

corroborate basic CM premises not contradict them.

Thanks,

Brandt Stickley

, " Alon Marcus "

<alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> This state is followed by improvement and according to the

> classical Japanese practitioners who coined the term, the

" mengen " response

> is an " unavoidable part of homeostaic rebalancing of the

nervous system. "

> >>>>I would like to see the criteria of what he calls nervous

system brought

> into balance. I have been doing a lot of work lately with

thermography which

> gives me some objective view. I have also been using other

measurements such

> as oxygen saturation, heart rate variability, galvanic skin

responses, and

> all have been consistent with patients feeling better when

readings are

> improving (with no flare or worsening of symptoms). In patients

with

> neuropathies some patient do feel increased pain when nerve

function is

> improving but most feel better without a flare. By the way i

understand that

> PCOM has thermography equipment and photonic stimulator.

Are you guys doing

> anything with these?

> While my experience is somewhat short, I am more excited

with what i have

> seen using thermography driven photonic stimulation than

anything i have

> seen so far in the last 20 years. I have patients with diabetic

neuropathy

> recovering sensation and having their pain disappear after one

treatment. So

> far all 3 that i worked on maintained their improvement for one

month. I

> will be doing a lot of work with this equipment as well as

formal studies. I

> also had a patient last week with capsulitis of the shoulder of 5

week

> duration. She had a true capsular pattern. Thermography

showed the

> symptomatic should to be colder than the well shoulder

(interesting has it

> is often what we see in TCM even though its an inflammatory

condition).

> While i have tried St-38, 39, and 40, many times in the past, i

have never

> seen a patient that actually improved their glenohumeral

obduction during

> the treatment. Patients usually look like their range of motion is

> increased, but when measured with the scapula fixed, i have

never seen a

> patient's true ROM improve. Stimulating st-38 area with

photonic stimulation

> resulted in complete painfree glenohumeral obduction, ie full

normal ROM,

> without any pain at endrange. This truly surprised me. I will see

this

> patient again on monday and see if anything significant has

occurred.

> Alon

July 18, 2004

What is photonic stimulation? This is different from low-level

Laser?

>>>There is very little difference. A diode laser is the same except that there

is a culminating lens, so that the light is more " like " a laser. I do not know

what the state of law is in CA. I heard someone say that the board changed their

mind on laser. I am working with an MD at his office so it is not relevant

because we see the patients together under his license.I am still very angry

with those in our profession responsible for limiting our scope of practice in

any way.

Alon

July 19, 2004

Hi Ken,

I am interested to know more about your treatments. Are you using acupuncture

as well as herbs, or acupuncture alone? Moxa? Any other modalities (castor oil

packs, liniments, etc.)? If you are using herbs, which ones? What patterns are

you seeing in your patients? One of the most interesting things to me about

patients with fibro diagnoses is that the patterns can be so different. For

instance, I myself am very damp with stagnation, and I've seen as many

fibromyalgia patients with this pattern as I have seen those with severe yin

deficiency with mixed heat (in the form of hyperactivity and over-busy

lifestyles mostly) and cold (all-over cold or cold extremities).

Andrea Beth

krhkempo <krhkempo wrote:

Andrea,

Thanks for your informative reply. As a newer practitioner, I was

suprised by the arrogantly uninformed reply by some other experienced

practitioners. It seems discussing philisophy is more important than

real life.

Here's the skinny... there has been improvement. This week one

patient hugged me and said she had not felt that good in 10 years.

She was able for the first time since it was implanted, turn off her

ANS block. Her husband was amazed. The other is beginning to feel

regional pain relief, one area at a time. What did I do? Treat the

pattern diagnosis...OM101. I am glad I did not listen to those who

said i am over treating. It would have been a mistake.

>

> Ken Hoffman, D.Ac, L.Ac, CCH

> Arcadia Health Center

> 499 Federal Rd

> Brookfield, CT 06804

> 203-740-9300

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services,

including board approved continuing education classes, an annual

conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

>

July 19, 2004

Alon,

This is most interesting. Please keep us posted.

Alon Marcus <alonmarcus wrote: