Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Sorry, it was way too expensive for my blood. Also it was for the AOBTA, which gave me the idea that it was less for acupuncturists & more for bodyworkers. I'd also be interested in looking at some highlights though if someone out there managed to fork up the requisite dough... notice the none too veiled bitterness at the lack of student pricing? Tim sharpe Marco Visconti [agomar] Sunday, June 13, 2004 3:42 PM Chinese Medicine EXTRAORDINARY VESSELS Did anyone hear or attended the seminar of Jeffrey Yuen at Austin (Texas) held june 5 & 6 on extraordinary vessels? Can i have same trace? Marvi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Thank's , Tim I'm also interested in AP and Tuina, and the ex vessel were interesting, in the gaze of Yuen. Marvi - " Tim Sharpe " <listserve <Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:13 AM RE: EXTRAORDINARY VESSELS > Sorry, it was way too expensive for my blood. Also it was for the AOBTA, > which gave me the idea that it was less for acupuncturists & more for > bodyworkers. I'd also be interested in looking at some highlights though if > someone out there managed to fork up the requisite dough... notice the none > too veiled bitterness at the lack of student pricing? > > Tim sharpe > > > Marco Visconti [agomar] > Sunday, June 13, 2004 3:42 PM > Chinese Medicine > EXTRAORDINARY VESSELS > > > Did anyone hear or attended the seminar of Jeffrey Yuen at Austin (Texas) > held june 5 & 6 on extraordinary vessels? > Can i have same trace? > > Marvi > > > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Jeffrey Yuan seminars have a student rate, but you must call them specifically for it. I went to treatment of auto immune disorders with divergent meridians lecture and it was remarkable. The only issue is being able to write fast enough to get it all down. Those I know who have gone to the eight extras talk (albeit for acupuncturists) without exception really liked it. I think if you hear him talk you'll find he's well worth the money. --brian Chinese Medicine , " Tim Sharpe " <listserve@d...> wrote: > Sorry, it was way too expensive for my blood. Also it was for the AOBTA, > which gave me the idea that it was less for acupuncturists & more for > bodyworkers. I'd also be interested in looking at some highlights though if > someone out there managed to fork up the requisite dough... notice the none > too veiled bitterness at the lack of student pricing? > > Tim sharpe > > > Marco Visconti [agomar@f...] > Sunday, June 13, 2004 3:42 PM > Chinese Medicine > EXTRAORDINARY VESSELS > > > Did anyone hear or attended the seminar of Jeffrey Yuen at Austin (Texas) > held june 5 & 6 on extraordinary vessels? > Can i have same trace? > > Marvi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Hi Tim: I just attended the AOBTA Central Regional Conference featuring Jeffrey Yuen on the 8 extras. I also was a little reticent about the AOBTA sponsorship and that it might in some way be inferior or not about acupuncture. Boy was I wrong!!! Best seminar I've ever gone to. It seems that many Oriental Bodyworkers (AOBTA Certified) actually have just as much (if not more) knowledge of meridians and theory than do acupuncturists who, in my state, are also required to study herbs (my own favorite practice). Yuen's lecture was 99% theory with discussion of simple treatment protocols--acupuncture and tui na included. He wasted no time in review of pathways going straight to explanation of history and usage of meridian points used in 8x treatments. Students would have been hard pressed to keep up. I recommend taking minimal notes and just listening or recording(when allowed as it was at my conference) as one gets deeper understanding with eye contact from the teacher. I think the teachers also appreciate this instead of talking to a roomful of Du20's. Don't hesitate to take AOBTA conferences--these people are well educated practitioners with high national standards and are well versed in OM theory. Unless the seminar is practice based, you will probably get some good info--especially from Jeffrey Yuen. Thanks, Shanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Yes, J. Yuen is always a heady experience. He takes off immediately, and never slows down. But it's good stuff, right? Plus, I always found that bodyworkers in general have a good " head start " when it come to acup. learning. I started in acctg and taxation, myself. JG --- shannahickle <shannahickle wrote: > Hi Tim: > I just attended the AOBTA Central Regional > Conference featuring > Jeffrey Yuen on the 8 extras. I also was a little > reticent about the > AOBTA sponsorship and that it might in some way be > inferior or not > about acupuncture. Boy was I wrong!!! Best seminar > I've ever gone to. > It seems that many Oriental Bodyworkers (AOBTA > Certified) actually > have just as much (if not more) knowledge of > meridians and theory > than do acupuncturists who, in my state, are also > required to study > herbs (my own favorite practice). Yuen's lecture was > 99% theory with > discussion of simple treatment > protocols--acupuncture and tui na > included. He wasted no time in review of pathways > going straight to > explanation of history and usage of meridian points > used in 8x > treatments. Students would have been hard pressed to > keep up. I > recommend taking minimal notes and just listening or > recording(when > allowed as it was at my conference) as one gets > deeper understanding > with eye contact from the teacher. I think the > teachers also > appreciate this instead of talking to a roomful of > Du20's. > Don't hesitate to take AOBTA conferences--these > people are well > educated practitioners with high national standards > and are well > versed in OM theory. Unless the seminar is practice > based, you will > probably get some good info--especially from Jeffrey > Yuen. > Thanks, Shanna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Hi all Please know that there is also a recording of Jeffrey Yuen's lecture on the Eight Extras he gave at the CSOMA 1999 CONVENTION. You can find the tapes available at: http://www.conferencerecording.com/altmed/caa99.htm Best wishes Alwin --- " briansbeard " <brian_s_beard@h...> wrote: > ... The only > issue is being able to write fast enough to get it all down. Those > I know who have gone to the eight extras talk (albeit for > acupuncturists) without exception really liked it. I think if you > hear him talk you'll find he's well worth the money. > > --brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 The 8 vessels are not actual channels but reservoirs, and as such cannot be depleted. There are 8 basins with connecting sewers so to say, so that one may run tide and the other an ebb, but the overall content remaining the same. Suppose the yin qiao runs an ebb, the yang qiao will be in tide and vice versa. These are non-directional and have no beginning nor end. The most messed up of all vessels is the Dai. It;s also the most avid vessel to give spectacular results. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 i do not know if you can read italian but there are several good articles about extraodinary meridian. luigi Chinese Medicine , " andy " <@s...> wrote: > > hi all > i'm currntly doing an essay on the the use of the extraordinary > vessels in the treatment of Back Pain. i've found various articles > in the JCM, JTCM, EJOM, AmJ.ac.. + usual web sites.. but > wondered if anyone could point me towards any lesser known > sources, or anything they find particulary interesting.. > > TIA regards andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Doc,I'm completely confused.I'm getting and inkling of how Donna Eden's system is built on the extraordinary vessels -- in that they relate to the strange flows and belt flow.In the brief readings I'm doing online, these flows move slowly, and profoundly. Is that why working with radiant circuits can create such deep changes? The radiant circuits move these deeper, more profound channels?Governing and Central meridians are extraordinary vessels -- and it looks like belt flow is as well....http://deepesthealth.com/2008/learning-acupuncture-master-points-of-the-extraordinary-vessels/ Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 , Helen Driscoll <helen wrote: > > Doc, > > I'm completely confused. > > I'm getting and inkling of how Donna Eden's system is built on the > extraordinary vessels -- in that they relate to the strange flows and belt flow. It's just another name for Strange Flows, Radiant Circuits. There's 8 of them, and they are some of the simpler things about energy medicine. I think I've put David Feinstein's article on them in the files??? > In the brief readings I'm doing online, these flows move slowly, and profoundly. They come first, BEFORE meridians. In fact Donna mentions that meridians might be old Radiant Circuits that have carved an energy pathway because they are used so much. But those pathways can jump (hyperlink) to where they are needed. > Is that why working with radiant circuits can create such deep > changes? The radiant circuits move these deeper, more profound > channels? > > Governing and Central meridians are extraordinary vessels -- and it looks like belt flow is as well.... > http://deepesthealth.com/2008/learning-acupuncture-master-points-of- I read the article. I suggest you go back to Donna's stuff, NOT because the article is wrong or right, but becaus Donna is much easier to understand, and Donna speaks simple english. John M. La Tourrette, PhD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Okay, good. I've heard David and Donna talk about the 'sea of meridians'. And, I know that Donna bases a great deal of her five elements and meridians on Touch for Health -- and -- Touch for Health owes a great deal to .... So, I got very confused by the snake swallowing it's tail Helen > e: >> >> Doc, >> >> I'm completely confused. >> >> I'm getting and inkling of how Donna Eden's system is built on the >> extraordinary vessels -- in that they relate to the strange flows > and belt flow. > > It's just another name for Strange Flows, Radiant Circuits. > > There's 8 of them, and they are some of the simpler things about > energy medicine. > > I think I've put David Feinstein's article on them in the files??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Hi Helen, Donna said that all the yin and yang meridians join together at the neck. That was a basis for one of the energy balancing techniques we learned last week. So, your question about the sea of meridians raised my curiosity about whether the neck area is the sea of meridians, or maybe contains part of it. I do have a tendency to go with what Donna says she sees in real-time living, moving color, which I notice does sometimes differ from the text books. How's that for adding to the confusion? ;-) Lori , Helen Driscoll <helen wrote: > > Okay, good. I've heard David and Donna talk about the 'sea of > meridians'. > > And, I know that Donna bases a great deal of her five elements and > meridians on Touch for Health -- > > and -- > > Touch for Health owes a great deal to .... > > So, I got very confused by the snake swallowing it's tail > > > Helen > > > e: > >> > >> Doc, > >> > >> I'm completely confused. > >> > >> I'm getting and inkling of how Donna Eden's system is built on the > >> extraordinary vessels -- in that they relate to the strange flows > > and belt flow. > > > > It's just another name for Strange Flows, Radiant Circuits. > > > > There's 8 of them, and they are some of the simpler things about > > energy medicine. > > > > I think I've put David Feinstein's article on them in the files??? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 The neck area where all the yang meridians in the diagram we got in the handouts in Portland is often referred to as “sky window” – the connection through the neck between head and torso. Good place to open when energies are congested, often indicated by a headache. Judith On Behalf Of darthon4 Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:32 PM Re: extraordinary vessels Hi Helen, Donna said that all the yin and yang meridians join together at the neck. That was a basis for one of the energy balancing techniques we learned last week. So, your question about the sea of meridians raised my curiosity about whether the neck area is the sea of meridians, or maybe contains part of it. I do have a tendency to go with what Donna says she sees in real-time living, moving color, which I notice does sometimes differ from the text books. How's that for adding to the confusion? ;-) Lori , Helen Driscoll <helen wrote: > > Okay, good. I've heard David and Donna talk about the 'sea of > meridians'. > > And, I know that Donna bases a great deal of her five elements and > meridians on Touch for Health -- > > and -- > > Touch for Health owes a great deal to .... > > So, I got very confused by the snake swallowing it's tail > > > Helen > > > e: > >> > >> Doc, > >> > >> I'm completely confused. > >> > >> I'm getting and inkling of how Donna Eden's system is built on the > >> extraordinary vessels -- in that they relate to the strange flows > > and belt flow. > > > > It's just another name for Strange Flows, Radiant Circuits. > > > > There's 8 of them, and they are some of the simpler things about > > energy medicine. > > > > I think I've put David Feinstein's article on them in the files??? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Thanks Lori, I'll check with Skye (some friends from LA were at the class) and get the technique.... Don't all the meridians come out from the " sea " at K27? Helen On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:31 PM, darthon4 wrote: > Hi Helen, Donna said that all the yin and yang meridians join together > at the neck. That was a basis for one of the energy balancing > techniques we learned last week. So, your question about the sea of > meridians raised my curiosity about whether the neck area is the sea > of meridians, or maybe contains part of it. > > I do have a tendency to go with what Donna says she sees in real-time > living, moving color, which I notice does sometimes differ from the > text books. How's that for adding to the confusion? ;-) > > Lori > > > , Helen Driscoll > <helen wrote: >> >> Okay, good. I've heard David and Donna talk about the 'sea of >> meridians'. >> >> And, I know that Donna bases a great deal of her five elements and >> meridians on Touch for Health -- >> >> and -- >> >> Touch for Health owes a great deal to .... >> >> So, I got very confused by the snake swallowing it's tail >> >> >> Helen >> >>> e: >>>> >>>> Doc, >>>> >>>> I'm completely confused. >>>> >>>> I'm getting and inkling of how Donna Eden's system is built on the >>>> extraordinary vessels -- in that they relate to the strange flows >>> and belt flow. >>> >>> It's just another name for Strange Flows, Radiant Circuits. >>> >>> There's 8 of them, and they are some of the simpler things about >>> energy medicine. >>> >>> I think I've put David Feinstein's article on them in the files??? >> > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Hi Judith, Thank you for the explanation of the " sky window " , I wonder why it was given that name? Yes it is yang meridians shown on the handout, though later in the discussion it was explained further that all the yin meridians join with the yang meridians at the neck and there are zones on the neck that correspond with all the organs and meridians in the body. Anyway, that's what I have in my notes and will stop here as I don't want to give all the info out, out of courtesy to Donna. Hopefully it will all be on DVD soon. Then you have all the chakra chambers at the neck too. So the neck area is an important and busy region of the body for energies, a " major shipping channel of communication " (my words) for the entire body/energy body. Lori , " Judith Poole " <judith.poole wrote: > > The neck area where all the yang meridians in the diagram we got in the > handouts in Portland is often referred to as " sky window " - the connection > through the neck between head and torso. Good place to open when energies > are congested, often indicated by a headache. > > > > Judith > > > > > On Behalf Of > darthon4 > Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:32 PM > > Re: extraordinary vessels > > > > Hi Helen, Donna said that all the yin and yang meridians join together > at the neck. That was a basis for one of the energy balancing > techniques we learned last week. So, your question about the sea of > meridians raised my curiosity about whether the neck area is the sea > of meridians, or maybe contains part of it. > > I do have a tendency to go with what Donna says she sees in real-time > living, moving color, which I notice does sometimes differ from the > text books. How's that for adding to the confusion? ;-) > > Lori > > > <%40> , Helen Driscoll > <helen@> wrote: > > > > Okay, good. I've heard David and Donna talk about the 'sea of > > meridians'. > > > > And, I know that Donna bases a great deal of her five elements and > > meridians on Touch for Health -- > > > > and -- > > > > Touch for Health owes a great deal to .... > > > > So, I got very confused by the snake swallowing it's tail > > > > > > Helen > > > > > e: > > >> > > >> Doc, > > >> > > >> I'm completely confused. > > >> > > >> I'm getting and inkling of how Donna Eden's system is built on the > > >> extraordinary vessels -- in that they relate to the strange flows > > > and belt flow. > > > > > > It's just another name for Strange Flows, Radiant Circuits. > > > > > > There's 8 of them, and they are some of the simpler things about > > > energy medicine. > > > > > > I think I've put David Feinstein's article on them in the files??? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Helen, Considering the Kidney meridian's association with water element and how when I tap on my K27s, my energy " on " switch, how that causes every one of my meridians to energize and move in the forward direction, I see how it could be likened to the " sea " of the meridians. Cool Lori , Helen Driscoll <helen wrote: > > Thanks Lori, I'll check with Skye (some friends from LA were at the > class) and get the technique.... > > Don't all the meridians come out from the " sea " at K27? > > > Helen > > > On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:31 PM, darthon4 wrote: > > > Hi Helen, Donna said that all the yin and yang meridians join together > > at the neck. That was a basis for one of the energy balancing > > techniques we learned last week. So, your question about the sea of > > meridians raised my curiosity about whether the neck area is the sea > > of meridians, or maybe contains part of it. > > > > I do have a tendency to go with what Donna says she sees in real-time > > living, moving color, which I notice does sometimes differ from the > > text books. How's that for adding to the confusion? ;-) > > > > Lori > > > > > > , Helen Driscoll > > <helen@> wrote: > >> > >> Okay, good. I've heard David and Donna talk about the 'sea of > >> meridians'. > >> > >> And, I know that Donna bases a great deal of her five elements and > >> meridians on Touch for Health -- > >> > >> and -- > >> > >> Touch for Health owes a great deal to .... > >> > >> So, I got very confused by the snake swallowing it's tail > >> > >> > >> Helen > >> > >>> e: > >>>> > >>>> Doc, > >>>> > >>>> I'm completely confused. > >>>> > >>>> I'm getting and inkling of how Donna Eden's system is built on the > >>>> extraordinary vessels -- in that they relate to the strange flows > >>> and belt flow. > >>> > >>> It's just another name for Strange Flows, Radiant Circuits. > >>> > >>> There's 8 of them, and they are some of the simpler things about > >>> energy medicine. > >>> > >>> I think I've put David Feinstein's article on them in the files??? > >> > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 I've heard Donna say that all the main meridians exit the body at K27 -- which is why it's so good to buzz 'em... Helen On Jul 31, 2008, at 9:01 PM, darthon4 wrote: > Helen, Considering the Kidney meridian's association with water > element and how when I tap on my K27s, my energy " on " switch, how that > causes every one of my meridians to energize and move in the forward > direction, I see how it could be likened to the " sea " of the > meridians. > > Cool > > Lori > > , Helen Driscoll > <helen wrote: >> >> Thanks Lori, I'll check with Skye (some friends from LA were at the >> class) and get the technique.... >> >> Don't all the meridians come out from the " sea " at K27? >> >> >> Helen >> >> >> On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:31 PM, darthon4 wrote: >> >>> Hi Helen, Donna said that all the yin and yang meridians join >>> together >>> at the neck. That was a basis for one of the energy balancing >>> techniques we learned last week. So, your question about the sea of >>> meridians raised my curiosity about whether the neck area is the sea >>> of meridians, or maybe contains part of it. >>> >>> I do have a tendency to go with what Donna says she sees in real- >>> time >>> living, moving color, which I notice does sometimes differ from the >>> text books. How's that for adding to the confusion? ;-) >>> >>> Lori >>> >>> >>> , Helen >>> Driscoll >>> <helen@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Okay, good. I've heard David and Donna talk about the 'sea of >>>> meridians'. >>>> >>>> And, I know that Donna bases a great deal of her five elements and >>>> meridians on Touch for Health -- >>>> >>>> and -- >>>> >>>> Touch for Health owes a great deal to .... >>>> >>>> So, I got very confused by the snake swallowing it's tail >>>> >>>> >>>> Helen >>>> >>>>> e: >>>>>> >>>>>> Doc, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm completely confused. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm getting and inkling of how Donna Eden's system is built on >>>>>> the >>>>>> extraordinary vessels -- in that they relate to the strange flows >>>>> and belt flow. >>>>> >>>>> It's just another name for Strange Flows, Radiant Circuits. >>>>> >>>>> There's 8 of them, and they are some of the simpler things about >>>>> energy medicine. >>>>> >>>>> I think I've put David Feinstein's article on them in the files??? >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 This doesn’t make any sense to me. Are you sure this is what she said? Meridians exit the body at toes, fingers, on the head and abdomen. I have heard it said that Kidney sets the pace and direction of the meridian energies. Could that be what she was referring to? Judith On Behalf Of Helen Driscoll Friday, August 01, 2008 2:55 PM Re: Re: extraordinary vessels I've heard Donna say that all the main meridians exit the body at K27 -- which is why it's so good to buzz 'em... Helen On Jul 31, 2008, at 9:01 PM, darthon4 wrote: > Helen, Considering the Kidney meridian's association with water > element and how when I tap on my K27s, my energy " on " switch, how that > causes every one of my meridians to energize and move in the forward > direction, I see how it could be likened to the " sea " of the > meridians. > > Cool > > Lori > > , Helen Driscoll > <helen wrote: >> >> Thanks Lori, I'll check with Skye (some friends from LA were at the >> class) and get the technique.... >> >> Don't all the meridians come out from the " sea " at K27? >> >> >> Helen >> >> >> On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:31 PM, darthon4 wrote: >> >>> Hi Helen, Donna said that all the yin and yang meridians join >>> together >>> at the neck. That was a basis for one of the energy balancing >>> techniques we learned last week. So, your question about the sea of >>> meridians raised my curiosity about whether the neck area is the sea >>> of meridians, or maybe contains part of it. >>> >>> I do have a tendency to go with what Donna says she sees in real- >>> time >>> living, moving color, which I notice does sometimes differ from the >>> text books. How's that for adding to the confusion? ;-) >>> >>> Lori >>> >>> >>> , Helen >>> Driscoll >>> <helen@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Okay, good. I've heard David and Donna talk about the 'sea of >>>> meridians'. >>>> >>>> And, I know that Donna bases a great deal of her five elements and >>>> meridians on Touch for Health -- >>>> >>>> and -- >>>> >>>> Touch for Health owes a great deal to .... >>>> >>>> So, I got very confused by the snake swallowing it's tail >>>> >>>> >>>> Helen >>>> >>>>> e: >>>>>> >>>>>> Doc, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm completely confused. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm getting and inkling of how Donna Eden's system is built on >>>>>> the >>>>>> extraordinary vessels -- in that they relate to the strange flows >>>>> and belt flow. >>>>> >>>>> It's just another name for Strange Flows, Radiant Circuits. >>>>> >>>>> There's 8 of them, and they are some of the simpler things about >>>>> energy medicine. >>>>> >>>>> I think I've put David Feinstein's article on them in the files??? >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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