Do NOT sedate the Triple Warmer but go for what you want instead!

[Guest guest]

>I'd love to hear from others who have 'obstinate' triple warmer

>energy that resists efforts >to tell it what to do.

 

Group, Judith,

 

Can I give my frame, which is vastly different than what has been

given up to this point.

 

I'd do a different frame, ie, in the form of a blessing towards the

triple warmer, like what Donna actually teaches and does.

 

In your frame you used antagonist words,

ie, " obstinate " , " resists " , " won't do what it's told " .

 

The TW is needed and it does have a valid function. But it does need

to have simple explanations once in awhile.

 

The words you used will go into the unconscious mind, the mind of the

Triple Warmer as if necessary, ie, " I need to be more obstinate " , " I

need to resist more " , " I need to ignore what is being told " .

 

So I build into my clients certain things that they can do that

will " cause them to relax instantly " , that will " cause them to go out

of fear vision and into peripheral vision " , that will cause the

sympathetic nervous system to relax so that the parasympathetic

nervous system is automatically turned on with a specific word said a

specific way, with a certain way of using the eyes, with a deep

breath-relax and expel.

 

Things like that.

 

on my group in the files section is a

report one of my members wrote that has 38 ways of reducing triple

warmer.

 

Reducing TW, to me, can be done way too much which does cause a TW

polarity response.

 

I'd rather notice what I want instead, then notice what is stopping

me from getting it, and then figure out what is necessary to 'get it'.

 

John M. La Tourrette, PhD

[Guest guest]

Doc,

 

Love your response. Too many times we talk about the war on ... and

notice if that war has been successful. In so many cases things are not

better and sometimes even worse. For example, look at the war on drugs.

Do you think things are better in any way?

 

Working with triple warmer like a friend since its aim IS to help us can

be so much more productive than attempting to manipulate, alienate or

bypass. From what I have read that can lead to a backlash further down

the road even if it looks like it was successful initially.

 

I'll bet TW responds better to thanks than criticism. I do forget that

myself at times.

 

Mary Nelson

http://www.eft4everyone.com

 

 

docspeed2001 wrote:

>

> >I'd love to hear from others who have 'obstinate' triple warmer

> >energy that resists efforts >to tell it what to do.

>

> Group, Judith,

>

> Can I give my frame, which is vastly different than what has been

> given up to this point.

>

> I'd do a different frame, ie, in the form of a blessing towards the

> triple warmer, like what Donna actually teaches and does.

>

> In your frame you used antagonist words,

> ie, " obstinate " , " resists " , " won't do what it's told " .

>

> The TW is needed and it does have a valid function. But it does need

> to have simple explanations once in awhile.

>

> The words you used will go into the unconscious mind, the mind of the

> Triple Warmer as if necessary, ie, " I need to be more obstinate " , " I

> need to resist more " , " I need to ignore what is being told " .

>

> So I build into my clients certain things that they can do that

> will " cause them to relax instantly " , that will " cause them to go out

> of fear vision and into peripheral vision " , that will cause the

> sympathetic nervous system to relax so that the parasympathetic

> nervous system is automatically turned on with a specific word said a

> specific way, with a certain way of using the eyes, with a deep

> breath-relax and expel.

>

> Things like that.

>

> on my group in the files section is a

> report one of my members wrote that has 38 ways of reducing triple

> warmer.

>

> Reducing TW, to me, can be done way too much which does cause a TW

> polarity response.

>

> I'd rather notice what I want instead, then notice what is stopping

> me from getting it, and then figure out what is necessary to 'get it'.

>

> John M. La Tourrette, PhD

>

> _

[Guest guest]

Doc, thanks for all the great ideas and reminders. That peripheral

vision goes a long way toward helping to relax and getting energies to

respond.

 

Judith, I have an experience to add to this. I recently worked with a

student whose TW wasn't responding to the acupoint sedating method. So

I checked the acupoints for irregular energies and it turned out the

TW points, and several others, were frozen, so I unfroze them and TW

was able to respond.

 

I also appreciate my TW's enthusiasm for protecting me. My role is to

teach it to channel that enthusiasm where it's needed when it's needed .

 

Lori

 

 

, " docspeed2001 "

<docspeed2001 wrote:

>

> >I'd love to hear from others who have 'obstinate' triple warmer

> >energy that resists efforts >to tell it what to do.

>

> Group, Judith,

>

> Can I give my frame, which is vastly different than what has been

> given up to this point.

>

> I'd do a different frame, ie, in the form of a blessing towards the

> triple warmer, like what Donna actually teaches and does.

>

> In your frame you used antagonist words,

> ie, " obstinate " , " resists " , " won't do what it's told " .

>

> The TW is needed and it does have a valid function. But it does need

> to have simple explanations once in awhile.

>

> The words you used will go into the unconscious mind, the mind of the

> Triple Warmer as if necessary, ie, " I need to be more obstinate " , " I

> need to resist more " , " I need to ignore what is being told " .

>

> So I build into my clients certain things that they can do that

> will " cause them to relax instantly " , that will " cause them to go out

> of fear vision and into peripheral vision " , that will cause the

> sympathetic nervous system to relax so that the parasympathetic

> nervous system is automatically turned on with a specific word said a

> specific way, with a certain way of using the eyes, with a deep

> breath-relax and expel.

>

> Things like that.

>

> on my group in the files section is a

> report one of my members wrote that has 38 ways of reducing triple

> warmer.

>

> Reducing TW, to me, can be done way too much which does cause a TW

> polarity response.

>

> I'd rather notice what I want instead, then notice what is stopping

> me from getting it, and then figure out what is necessary to 'get it'.

>

> John M. La Tourrette, PhD

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, well, I do appreciate the importance of languaging. Unfortunate

part of a typed conversation as opposed to voice is its hard to hear the

tongue-in-cheekiness of it. Meantime, forgetting about this thread I posted my

latest ‘duh’ thoughts about calming TW as a response to Susan

Shanley’s TW handout. I suspect that I’ll make headway if I include

balancing heart/small intestine in the mix, and think of BALANCING rather than

SEDATING. Turns out, in my case, in Chinese Astrology I have a tiny fire

element a great big metal. Before this week I just hadn’t thought much

about how the 4 fire meridians work with each other.

Judith

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of darthon4

Friday, September 05, 2008 10:58 AM

 

Re: Do NOT sedate the Triple

Warmer but go for what you want instead!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Doc, thanks for all the great ideas and

reminders. That peripheral

vision goes a long way toward helping to relax and getting energies to

respond.

 

Judith, I have an experience to add to this. I recently worked with a

student whose TW wasn't responding to the acupoint sedating method. So

I checked the acupoints for irregular energies and it turned out the

TW points, and several others, were frozen, so I unfroze them and TW

was able to respond.

 

I also appreciate my TW's enthusiasm for protecting me. My role is to

teach it to channel that enthusiasm where it's needed when it's needed .

 

Lori

 

,

" docspeed2001 "

<docspeed2001 wrote:

>

> >I'd love to hear from others who have 'obstinate' triple warmer

> >energy that resists efforts >to tell it what to do.

>

> Group, Judith,

>

> Can I give my frame, which is vastly different than what has been

> given up to this point.

>

> I'd do a different frame, ie, in the form of a blessing towards the

> triple warmer, like what Donna actually teaches and does.

>

> In your frame you used antagonist words,

> ie, " obstinate " , " resists " , " won't do what it's

told " .

>

> The TW is needed and it does have a valid function. But it does need

> to have simple explanations once in awhile.

>

> The words you used will go into the unconscious mind, the mind of the

> Triple Warmer as if necessary, ie, " I need to be more

obstinate " , " I

> need to resist more " , " I need to ignore what is being

told " .

>

> So I build into my clients certain things that they can do that

> will " cause them to relax instantly " , that will " cause them

to go out

> of fear vision and into peripheral vision " , that will cause the

> sympathetic nervous system to relax so that the parasympathetic

> nervous system is automatically turned on with a specific word said a

> specific way, with a certain way of using the eyes, with a deep

> breath-relax and expel.

>

> Things like that.

>

> on my group in the files section is a

> report one of my members wrote that has 38 ways of reducing triple

> warmer.

>

> Reducing TW, to me, can be done way too much which does cause a TW

> polarity response.

>

> I'd rather notice what I want instead, then notice what is stopping

> me from getting it, and then figure out what is necessary to 'get it'.

>

> John M. La Tourrette, PhD

>

[Guest guest]

How true, Doc.  I have found situations when TW feels truly needs strengthening and appreciation because

of it's effort.  This is also why we sometimes do a 3 point technique:  strengthen/sedate/balance\

 

 

And, as we learned in Portland, sedating with the little finger so that Heart meridian is doing it is good

because TW doesn't resist and HT has all the energy it needs to support TW.  

 

 

When TW is at it's most vigilant it only makes sense that you would increase it's sense of security and

support before it would feel able to relax.

Sue

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[Guest guest]

I always thank Triple Warmer for doing it's job and being vigilant and then

have a conversation with it before doing any work. I go over the possible

stressor and suggest it might not be a life or death / fight or flight type

of situation and maybe it should only pull energy from the other meridians

when really necessary. TW is your friend Just the conversation itself may

help TW release it's stronghold on energy.

 

If you do TW work, consider the idea of soothing it, calming it. And I don't

do TW sedating points all the time. That would be something more in crisis

mode (if it wasn't an instance that TW might need to be strong - like

anaphylactic shock - sp?). Instead, I do my conversation - if need be, I tap

the gamut point or TW4 (it's Source Point), smooth behind ears, do TW/Spleen

hug, or a variety of things first.

 

Go with your intuition and consider making TW your friend and work together

versus against each other The goal is balance.

 

This thread is a reminder there are many ways to balance. For instance, if

Fire needs balancing, there are Fire Element balancing exercises we can use

instead of targetting TW.

 

I do feel that if TW is focused on too much and considered " negative " , it

can feel attacked. It is intelligent. It is doing it's job. Donna herself

has recommended conversing with it (internally or externally). I use a

soothing, calming tone as that is my intent when the full TW burst of energy

is not needed. If I followup with an exercise, I keep that intent in mind

while doing the exercise - I am soothing TW and thanking it for working so

hard and letting it know when it perhaps is not necessary / might even be

counterproductive. It's a dance

 

Many blessings,

MichelleH

[Guest guest]

I wasn't in Portland so thanks for the TW sedating points tip re: using the

heart/small intestine little finger.

 

Many blessings,

MichelleH

 

________________________________

.....And, as we learned in Portland, sedating with the little finger so that

Heart meridian is doing it is good because TW doesn't resist and HT has all

the energy it needs to support TW.

 

When TW is at it's most vigilant it only makes sense that you would increase

it's sense of security and support before it would feel able to relax.

Sue

[Guest guest]

A very well thoughtout post Michelle, I like that.

John M. La Tourrette, PhD

 

, " lunarmm "

<lunarmm wrote:

>

> I always thank Triple Warmer for doing it's job and being vigilant

and then

> have a conversation with it before doing any work. I go over the

possible

> stressor and suggest it might not be a life or death / fight or

flight type

> of situation and maybe it should only pull energy from the other

meridians

> when really necessary. TW is your friend Just the conversation

itself may

> help TW release it's stronghold on energy.

>

> If you do TW work, consider the idea of soothing it, calming it.

And I don't

> do TW sedating points all the time. That would be something more in

crisis

> mode (if it wasn't an instance that TW might need to be strong -

like

> anaphylactic shock - sp?). Instead, I do my conversation - if need

be, I tap

> the gamut point or TW4 (it's Source Point), smooth behind ears, do

TW/Spleen

> hug, or a variety of things first.

>

> Go with your intuition and consider making TW your friend and work

together

> versus against each other The goal is balance.

>

> This thread is a reminder there are many ways to balance. For

instance, if

> Fire needs balancing, there are Fire Element balancing exercises we

can use

> instead of targetting TW.

>

> I do feel that if TW is focused on too much and

considered " negative " , it

> can feel attacked. It is intelligent. It is doing it's job. Donna

herself

> has recommended conversing with it (internally or externally). I

use a

> soothing, calming tone as that is my intent when the full TW burst

of energy

> is not needed. If I followup with an exercise, I keep that intent

in mind

> while doing the exercise - I am soothing TW and thanking it for

working so

> hard and letting it know when it perhaps is not necessary / might

even be

> counterproductive. It's a dance

>

> Many blessings,

> MichelleH

>