Stroke

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>A friend from church, 35 yr. old female, went in for brain surgery for a

>non-malignant tumor growing outside the brain. During a pre-operative

>procedure (the placing of a shunt, I believe) she had a stroke and is

>paralyzed on her right side. The brain surgery has been postponed and she

>is in a rehabilitation hospital at present.

 

Magnesium deficiency sometimes can be a factor in things like this

happening.

 

Are she and her family open to alternative healing?

 

>I have a group of Reiki

>practitioners who are providing energy healing, but would really be

>interested in any ideas about acupressure points that would help relieve

>her

>internal heat and wind which I assume is the cause of stroke in most

>cases??

 

The first step is determining either through a TCM examination or other

means exactly why she was susceptible to a stroke when a shunt was applied.

In TCM, severe Internal Heat is just one of the things that can generate

Internal Wind. The other two are Liver Yang Rising Generating Wind and

Liver Blood Deficiency Generating Wind.

 

Since there is no mention of a high fever prior to the stroke, I'm inclined

to eliminate Extreme Heat Generating Wind. I don't think the doctors would

have proceded with the shunt installation had she had any sign of a fever or

infection.

 

This leaves Liver Yang Rising Generating Wind and/or Liver Blood Deficiency

Generating Wind. In women these often occur together.

 

Maciocia writes about Liver Yang Rising Generating Wind, " This condition

arises from deficiency of Liver=Yin which, over a long period of time,

causes the rising upward of Liver-Yang. Under certain circumstances,

Liver-Yang can generate interanl Wind. In these cases Wind-stroke may

occur. This is internal Wind from a combination of Deficiency and Excess. "

(Foundations, p. 222.)

 

One of the factors which can cause Liver Yin to be Deficient is excessive

physical activity, especially excessive exercise. I don't know how well you

know her. Was she into excessive exercise or overdoing physically?

 

Liver Blood Deficiency also can trigger Liver Yin Deficiency. In this case

there can be a double whammy as far as the generation of Interior Wind.

Both the Liver Yin and the Liver Blood Deficiencies can be factors in the

generation of Interior Wind.

 

Again, I don't know how well you know her or what you feel comfortable

talking with her about, but were her periods excessive? Excessively heavy

periods can trigger Blood Deficiency.

 

Kidney Yin Deficiency can give rise to Liver Yin Deficiency because the

Kidneys can't supply the Liver because of their own Deficiency.

 

Maciocia writes, " Ascending Liver-Yang is usually caused by emotional

factors and most of all, a continuous state of anger, resentment,

frustration, etc. " (Foundations, p. 222.)

 

About Liver Blood Deficiency, Maciocia says, " This pattern is caused by

deficiency of Liver-Blood creating an emptiness in the blood vessels which

is 'filled' by internal Wind. " (Foundations, p. 222)

 

>Is there anything we could do generically that could help, and not harm,

>without having done a TCM evaluation on her? She is also deeply depressed

>and feels humiliated at her situation.

 

Visit with her, allow her to talk about her fears, and reassure her.

Encourage postive thinking and TRUE relaxation. Just because a person is

lying in a bed and is incapacitated, this does not mean that the person is

relaxing.

 

Whenever there is Liver imbalance, depression often results. Sometimes

realizing that the depression is a direct consequence of a physical problem

can be very reassuring to a person. I don't know if this would be the case

for her. But sometimes just learning that depression is a " natural "

consequence of a stroke, a viral infection, an underactive thyroid, etc. can

be tremendously reassuring to a person. The thinking goes along the lines

of, " It's not me, it's the stroke! This will pass. "

 

Sometimes religious people in particular may have underlying issues of

feelings of being " punished " and the physical problems somehow being

evidence of their not being " right with God. " When these are present, they

need to be addressed and the person reassured that as corny as it sounds,

bad things sometimes do happen to good people. They also need to be

reassured that problems can be addressed and solved and that bad things will

stop happening when they are.

 

I'm a little curious about something you reported. You wrote she " feels

humiliated at her situation. " I realize that being incapacitated can cause a

person to feel humiliated. But I'm wondering about this particular emotion

being stressed. I would have thought that fear would have been high up on

the list of things she is feeling. She not only had a stroke, there's also

that brain tumor that is still present. Perhaps she has trouble

acknowledging fear.

 

The " feeling humiliated " worries me for other reasons as well. Is she the

type of person who feels responsible for everything and like being sick

somehow is her fault and something she failed to control or evidence of a

lack of perfection?

 

>So the Reiki practitionera are

>working on her head/brain, her heart and lungs, and kidney point in the

>feet.

 

They may want to consider the liver too.

 

Please keep us apprised of any developments. And if you need to talk,

please do.

 

Victoria

 

 

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Victoria,

 

>>A friend from church, 35 yr. old female, went in for brain surgery for a

>>non-malignant tumor growing outside the brain. During a pre-operative

>>procedure (the placing of a shunt, I believe) she had a stroke and is

>>paralyzed on her right side. The brain surgery has been postponed and she

>>is in a rehabilitation hospital at present.

>

>Are she and her family open to alternative healing?

 

Yes they are, and at this point, Stephanie is speaking and has given her

permission for the Reiki she has been receiving. She is making fine

progress, and although still paralyzed on the right side, has had the

feeding tube removed, and is able to get herself into the wheelchair from

her bed.

 

>>I have a group of Reiki

>>practitioners who are providing energy healing, but would really be

>>interested in any ideas about acupressure points that would help relieve

>>her

>>internal heat and wind which I assume is the cause of stroke in most

>>cases??

>

>The first step is determining either through a TCM examination or other

>means exactly why she was susceptible to a stroke when a shunt was applied.

>In TCM, severe Internal Heat is just one of the things that can generate

>Internal Wind. The other two are Liver Yang Rising Generating Wind and

>Liver Blood Deficiency Generating Wind.

>

>This leaves Liver Yang Rising Generating Wind and/or Liver Blood Deficiency

>Generating Wind. In women these often occur together.

>

>Maciocia writes about Liver Yang Rising Generating Wind, " This condition

>arises from deficiency of Liver=Yin which, over a long period of time,

>causes the rising upward of Liver-Yang. Under certain circumstances,

>Liver-Yang can generate interanl Wind. In these cases Wind-stroke may

>occur. This is internal Wind from a combination of Deficiency and Excess. "

>(Foundations, p. 222.)

>

>One of the factors which can cause Liver Yin to be Deficient is excessive

>physical activity, especially excessive exercise. I don't know how well

you

>know her. Was she into excessive exercise or overdoing physically?

 

No exercise that I can imagine. This woman is 50 to 70 pounds overweight.

And I think she tends towards depression and probably even anger. Sounds

like liver stuff!

 

 

>Liver Blood Deficiency also can trigger Liver Yin Deficiency. In this case

>there can be a double whammy as far as the generation of Interior Wind.

>Both the Liver Yin and the Liver Blood Deficiencies can be factors in the

>generation of Interior Wind.

>

>Again, I don't know how well you know her or what you feel comfortable

>talking with her about, but were her periods excessive? Excessively heavy

>periods can trigger Blood Deficiency.

>

 

 

>I'm a little curious about something you reported. You wrote she " feels

>humiliated at her situation. " I realize that being incapacitated can cause

a

>person to feel humiliated. But I'm wondering about this particular emotion

>being stressed. I would have thought that fear would have been high up on

>the list of things she is feeling. She not only had a stroke, there's also

>that brain tumor that is still present. Perhaps she has trouble

>acknowledging fear.

>

>The " feeling humiliated " worries me for other reasons as well. Is she the

>type of person who feels responsible for everything and like being sick

>somehow is her fault and something she failed to control or evidence of a

>lack of perfection?

 

I don't know her well, but have spent some time with her prior to this

incident. She seemed like someone who is in control and striving for

perfection. She also had some health problems prior to this and I believe

just had a hysterectomy. Evidence probably of heavy periods and an MD's

resolution of that problem!

 

There is undoubtedly a spiritual crisis here and resolution of that will be

key in her survival and rehabilitation. This is a major life lesson!

 

>>So the Reiki practitionera are

>>working on her head/brain, her heart and lungs, and kidney point in the

>>feet.

>

>They may want to consider the liver too.

 

 

Still would love to have your recommendation of specific points where we

could reduce heat in her body.

 

She seems to be making really good progress, but now there is talk that she

will be moved to long term nursing home care which sounds pretty awful to

me. She also moved her right hand this past week and is now having

conversations again. But the brain tumor is still there.

 

Lynn

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>No exercise that I can imagine. This woman is 50 to 70 pounds overweight.

>And I think she tends towards depression and probably even anger. Sounds

>like liver stuff!

 

" Obese: often deficiency of Qi, which also circulates poorly, so that

Dampness often accumulates and causes Phlegm; Wind invasion is also common. "

A Manual of Chinese Herbal Medicine by Warner J.W. Fan, M.D., p. 121.

 

A note to those new to TCM: The Spleen often plays a role in the

development of Dampness and Phlegm problems. The Spleen is the most

important Organ when it comes to the extraction of Food Qi from food. If

the Spleen is weak, not enough Qi gets extracted. In turn,the Spleen and Qi

are responsible for transformation and transportation in the body. This

includes liquids. Weak Spleen/Qi = water not being moved and transformed

like it should be, i.e., Dampness accumulates. If this goes on too long

and/or other factors are present, the Dampness can congeal into Phlegm.

(The Kidneys and Lungs also play roles in the movement of water in the body,

but a weakened or damaged Spleen is the number one probable when it comes to

Dampness and Phlegm.)

 

Maciocia writes in The Foundations of , " The main cause for

the formation of Phlegm is Spleen deficiency. If the Spleen fails to

transform and transport Body Fluids, these will accumulate and change into

Phlegm. The Lungs and Kidneys are also involved in the formation of Phlegm.

If the Lungs fail to disperse and lower fluids and if the Kidneys fail to

transform and excrete fluids, these may accumulate into Phlegm. However,

the Spleen is always the primary factor in the formation of Phlegm. " (p.

195)

 

" The essential signs of Phlegm are a slippery or sticky tongue coating and a

Slippery or Wiry pulse. " (Maciocia, Foundations, p. 196)

 

Let's look at the TCM concept of Phlegm a little closer.

 

First, there are two very broad categories of Phlegm: Substantial Phlegm,

aka " having a form " , and Non-substantial Phlegm, aka " without a form " .

Translation: Substantial Phlegm is Phlegm that can be seen. For example,

the Phlegm that is coughed up out of the Lungs and the Phlegm that is blown

out of a nose. You can see it. Non-substantial Phlegm is Phlegm that

collects in subcutaneously, in Organs where it can't be seen or expelled

easily, and in the channels.

 

When you start looking at Non-substantial Phlegm, you discover that Phlegm

can be the Root of quite a few medical problems. For example, in Al's post

today on seminal fluid where he talks about Dampness and Phlegm and gall and

kidney stones. In TCM " Gall-Bladder or Kidney stones are considered as a

form of Phlegm, arising from the 'steaming and brewing' of Phlegm by Heat

over a long period of time. " (Maciocia, Foundations, p. 196) Gall and

kidney stones are Damp Heat problems that has gone on too long until the

Dampness congealed into stones, a manifestation of Phlegm.

 

But the list of Phlegm problems doesn't end there. " Under the skin: This

takes the form of lumps under the skin (although not all lumps are due to

Phlegm), nerve-ganglia swellings, swelling of lymph-nodes, swelling of the

thyroid, some fibroids and lipomas. " (Foundations, p. 196) In addition,

Phlegm can be the Root of certain tumors in other parts of the body like the

brain and the uterus. We can't guess why this woman had a hysterectomy, but

I can't help but wonder were there Phlegm problems manifesting in the

uterus. If you know the woman or her family members well enough, you might

want to ask if there were fibroids in the uterus.

 

In addition, " Phlegm in the channels is not visible as a swelling, but it

causes numbness. This is more common in old people and is frequently seen

in Wind-stroke. " (Foundations, p. 196)

 

In addition, Phlegm can manifest as bone deformities and growths that occur

in chronic rheumatoid arthritis and some other conditions. Phlegm also can

" obstruct the Heart-orifices and mist the Mind. " This frequently is the

Root of some severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia and

manic-depression. In addition, Phlegm can be a factor in epilepsy.

(Maciocia, p. 196)

 

In addition, Phlegm is classified according to Cold, Heat, Wind, etc. being

involved. The treatment for Cold Phlegm is different from the treatment for

Hot Phlegm.

 

>Still would love to have your recommendation of specific points where we

>could reduce heat in her body.

 

I don't know because I'm not there. I don't know if there is Heat in the

body or if there is, where it is located. Without being there in person, I

have no idea what the most pressing problems are. It sounds like the

generation of Internal Wind is the most pressing problem at present, and the

exact reason for the Internal Wind has to be determined, Liver Yang Rising

or Blood Deficiency. The Extreme Heat Generating Wind is not a probable in

this case because that usually is associated with a very high temperature

due to infection, and it's very doubtful that her doctor would have started

the operation to install a shunt if she had had any fever. It's a

possibility, but not a probable one in this case.

 

f careful examination and questioning bears out the many possible

manifestations of Phlegm, the tendency to form Phlegm and how to stop

generating Phlegm and how to get rid of the existing Phlegm are going to

need to be address. A part of this is going to be looking at the health of

the Spleen in detail. In cases where Qi Deficiency is present in people who

have had strokes, one needs to be very careful in selecting the best Qi

tonic as some of them can raise blood pressure.

 

In addition, one might also want to look at non-TCM ways of strenghtening

blood vessels - like grape seed extract. In TCM, one wants to consider the

Heart and Lungs because the Heart " controls the blood vessels " but the Lungs

also play an important role in the health of blood vessels. (Maciocia, p. 72

and 84)

 

Victoria

 

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I would have her take cayenne everyday - good for heart and circulation.... and start massaging Deep Tissue Oil (recipe in files) into her arm and shoulder ... for beginners... You can buy hot peppers at the store and they will be better than any capsule you buy .

Suzi

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Hello,My sister, 63, had a stroke in March of 2002. It was considered massive. She has little use of her left arm and there is pain in her shoulder, her speach is halting, but her biggest complaint is that she is tired all the time. Zero energy. Once she showers and dresses in the morning she is ready to go back to bed. She was a very active woman before the stroke. Two jobs, her own business selling jewelry, she exercised and ate well, no smoking and little drinking. This hit her hard and she want's her life back.She is getting weekly massage, and exercises at the rehab facility. The drs. have her on asperin theraphy and wellbutren, now they are taking about ritalin because they can't figure out why the exhaustion. She says she can't make anyone understand how very tired she is.....Any ideas of what might help?She is really feeling that her life is over.Thanks in advance...peace and joyjulieFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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I would strongly suggest cayenne and keep it coming. This will regulate her circulatory system better than anything. She needs to be off the Wellbutrin though as this isn't going to help her. The aspirin really is not very good for her either. The side effects are not worth whatever good it does. I would suggest getting the hottest cayenne you can find, powdered and starting her on 1/8 tspn. 3 times a day and continue this for 1 week then up the dosage to maybe 1/4 tspn. 3 times a day and keep working on this until she is taking a minimum of 1 tspn. 3 times per day or more. Do not use the capsules as this takes much too long to dissolve and get into the blood. I would also suggest a bowel and liver cleansing too. Get her on Total Tonic and Panther Piss along with the Lemon Egg. These will help to feed her and give her the nutrients she needs to help her body recover. Make sure she is getting plenty of fresh fruit juices and vegetable juices. Not store bought but freshly made with organic vegetables. Monitor her diet and cut out the meats, fats, pastas and bread products. No sugar, coffee or teas. Herbal teas are okay. Also no dairy.

 

HTH,

Keep us informed,

 

Don Quai

 

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[herbal remedies] stroke

Hello,My sister, 63, had a stroke in March of 2002. It was considered massive. She has little use of her left arm and there is pain in her shoulder, her speach is halting, but her biggest complaint is that she is tired all the time. Zero energy. Once she showers and dresses in the morning she is ready to go back to bed. She was a very active woman before the stroke. Two jobs, her own business selling jewelry, she exercised and ate well, no smoking and little drinking. This hit her hard and she want's her life back.She is getting weekly massage, and exercises at the rehab facility. The drs. have her on asperin theraphy and wellbutren, now they are taking about ritalin because they can't figure out why the exhaustion. She says she can't make anyone understand how very tired she is.....Any ideas of what might help?She is really feeling that her life is over.Thanks in advance...peace and joyjulieFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Hi Lynne,

 

Here is a little info on cayenne from Dr. John R. Christopher. I do hope that this will help to answer your questions.

 

Don Quai

 

The following excerpts of his writings are reproduced with written permission of the Publisher, Christopher Publications, PO Box 412, Springville, UT 84663 1-800-372-8255. DR. CHRISTOPHER ON HEALING WITH CAYENNE Dr. John Christopher's wisdom and experience will be mainly drawn upon. Dr. Christopher was a Master Herbalist and Naturopathic Doctor of great renown here in America and even abroad. His teachings wre learned by so many and his influence was so great, that most woould agree that he stood out amongst the three largest promoters of natural healing in the latter half of the 20th Century.

CAYENNE

1. HEART ATTACKS: In 35 years of practice, and working with the people and teaching, I have never on house calls lost one heart attack patient and the reason is, whenever I go in--if they are still breathing--I pour down them a cup of cayenne tea (a teaspoon of cayenne in a cup of hot water, and within minutes they are up and around). This is one of the fastest acting aids we could ever give for the heart, because it feeds that heart immediately. Most hearts are suffering from malnutrition because of processed food we are eating, but here it gets a good powerful dose of real food and it's something that has brought people in time after time. This is something that everyone should know how great it is, because a heart attack can come to your friends or loved ones any time. And even yourself. The warm tea is faster working than tablets, capsules, cold tea, because the warm tea opens up the cell structure--makes it expand and accept the cayenne that much faster, and it goes directly to the heart, through the artery system, and feeds it in powerful food. [Dr. Christopher¹s Newsletter 1-12] 2. STERILIZE AND STOP BLEEDING: The old herbalists claimed that cayenne pepper (Capsicum or red pepper) should be poured directly into a fresh wound, to sterilize and stop the bleeding. [Herbal Home Health Care p.61] 3. MENSTRUAL CRAMPS: If a young woman has menstrual problems, she can suspect that her female organs might not be in good condition. Although it should be needless to say, we should avoid drugs in managing our menstrual cramps. In order to treat the symptoms, some people favor red raspberry tea, peppermint tea, camomile tea, or catnip tea. You can take a capsule of cayenne with any of these to help warm the internal organs. If the cramps are really severe, you can use cayenne ointment externally on the abdomen to act as a counter-irritant, but be sure to cover the application with gauze, as it can stain your underthings. [Every Woman's Herbal p.13] 5. TINCTURE OF CAYENNE heals wounds, cuts through mucus, good for sore throats, and tonsillitis; milder solutions can be used in the nose, eyes, and ears for cleaning up microscopic "lounge lizards" in infections. Has been successfullyused for resuscitation of newborn infants; a few drops administered orally. The best and safest stimulant known to man. [Dr. Christopher¹s Newsletter 3-2] 6. CAYENNE SALVE: It is excellent for stiff necks, sore muscles, headaches, pain, stiff joints, arthritis, etc. The salve ingredients are Olive Oil, African Birdpepper (Cayenne), Oil of Wintergreen, pure distilled mint crystals and beeswax. [Herbal Home Health Care p.196] Dosages 1. STOP BLEEDING: A wound, external or internal, will stop bleeding if the individual will drink a cup of water (preferably hot) with a teaspoon of cayenne pepper (red pepper) stirred into it. The bleeding will stop generally by the time a person can count up to ten after drinking the cayenne tea. The cayenne equalizes the blood pressure from the top of the head to the feet. This keeps the pressure from the hemorrhage area so it will clot naturally, which it cannot do with heavy blood pressure pumping the blood rapidly at the hemorrhage area. [Herbal Home Health Care p.61] 2. NOSEBLEEDS: A teaspoon of cayenne in a cup of water (hot preferred) taken internally will stop most nosebleeds quickly. In an emergency such as this we use cayenne. As mentioned a teaspoon of cayenne pepper in a glass of water and drunk right down will stop a nosebleed in nearly every instance, by the time you can count to ten. This is not a miracle; it is the principle of the cell stimulant cayenne traveling through the entire blood stream and regulating the pressure so the pressure of the flow is the same in the feet as in the head or any other part of the body. This takes the heavy pressure off the hemorrhaging area and allowing a quick coagulation. [Herbal Home Health Care p.110] 3. SALVE: As needed topically. Ingredients: Pure cayenne is the only ingredient in the powdered cayenne. Salve ingredients are Olive Oil, African Birdpepper (Cayenne), Oil of Wintergreen, pure distilled mint crystals and beeswax. The tincture consists of cayenne and alcohol. [spirit of Health Editor¹s note: See Herbal First Aid Salve and Muscle & Joint Repair Oil from Southern Botanicals. These contain the herbal ingredients of the Christopher salve. Herbal First Aid Salve has a beeswax base, and Muscle & Joint Repair Oil has an olive oil base and is stronger than the Salve.] Testimonials 1. EYES: Cayenne is also used for eyes, however extreme that might sound. Dr. Christopher recalled a student of his standing in front of a lecture and throwing a pinch of cayenne into one eye. Dr. Christopher was sure the student had lost his senses! But in a few moments the eye stopped watering, and it became clear, bright and healthy-looking. [This is why Dr. Christopher has Cayenne in his Herbal Eyebright formula]. [Every Woman's Herbal p.131] 2. DEEP CUT: A person in our audience told how he had cut deeply with a sharp instrument the inside of his hand, fingers and palm. The blood spurted out in streams. He poured a large amount of cayenne pepper into the wound, and within seconds the blood flow slowed down to congealed dripping and the bleeding stopped entirely before many seconds had passed. With a goodly amount of cayenne covering the wound, he then wrapped it. He was so excited about the rapid results he could hardly wait for the regular herb meeting. But, as he said, the "punch line" was lost, because instead of a nasty ragged scar to show how severely he had been hurt, the area was healed and there was no scar. [Dr. Christopher¹s Newsletter 1-12] 3. ULCERS: A lady had been attending our herbal lecture series for some time. One day she told us about her husband's severe case of stomach ulcers. The recommendation from their doctor was to have part of his stomach removed, but he said he would rather suffer the pain than risk such an operation. He also refused his wife's suggestion to try cayenne, ridiculing her studies. When he would see me in town, he would bellow, "Hello, Doc! Killed anybody with cayenne, today?" He became so obnoxious, I avoided him when I could. Months went by and one day I saw him coming down the street toward me. I tried to avoid him but he came "head on." This time I was amazed because there were no cutting remarks or sarcasm. In fact, he was very apologetic and asked if he could talk to me for a minute, and then told me this story: He had come home from work one night, "sick enough to die," with stomach ulcers. His wife was not home. He was in such pain he wanted to commit suicide. He went to the medicine cabinet to find some kind of medicine poisonous and deadly enough to kill him. But he discovered his wife had thrown out all the old bottles of pharmaceutical medicine. All that was left in the medicine cabinet were some herbs and a large container of cayenne pepper. He was so angry that, upon seeing the cayenne, he figured it in a large dose would kill him by burning him up. He took a heaping tablespoon of cayenne in a glass of hot water, gulped it down and rushed into the bedroom. He fell upon the bed and covered his head with a pillow so the neighbors couldn't hear his "dying screams." The next thing he knew, his wife was shaking him awake the next morning. She told him he had slept all night (instead of being up every half-hour for anti-acid tablets). To his amazement he discovered that the pain was gone, for the first time in months. He continued using cayenne three times a day faithfully. [Dr. Christopher¹s Newsletter 1-12] 4. BLOOD PRESSURE - Dr. Christopher's Own Story: I had hardening of the arteries, during my 20 and 30 year span, to a point that it was very severe. No insurance company at this time, would even take me for a $1,000 policy. So you can tell how bad of a condition I was in. I was quite concerned about it, and started using cayenne. I worked up to a teaspoon three times a day, and I continued on from the time I was thirty-five and am still using it. It was amazing! By the time I was forty-five years of age, ten years after I had started using cayenne, a group wanted me to have a $100,000 policy to insure them on a business deal we were working out. I went for the examination. Being this large a policy, the insurance company required two medical doctors, each to give two physicals at various times (being four times to have physicals with these two doctors). I took the examination and one medical doctor when he got through, said, "Well, this is astounding. I see your age is forty-five years, but you have the venous structure of a teenage boy." He said, "This is excellent," and he gave me a clean bill of health. I went to the other doctor and on his second examination he did the blood pressure test on my arm. He pumped his equipment up five different times and my arm was getting irritated by it, and I was getting a little perturbed, and I said, "What's the matter, doesn't your equipment work?Oh yes, it always has up till now, but I keep looking at your chart and it says you are 45 years of age and yet your systolic over your diastolic is absolutely perfect. I cannot comprehend it." I said, "That's correct. It is perfect." And he also gave me a clean bill of health. So I passed at 45 years of age for a $100,000 policy with a good blood pressure showing, thanks to the cayenne. I have been told by medical doctors, that because of my arthritis, hardening of arteries, stomach ulcers and some auto accidents that banged me up pretty badly, that I couldn't live past my 40th year. Yet, at 45 years I was pronounced in good condition. This, to me, was one of my biggest sales points on cayenne. If it could help me, it could help anybody. I have seen it used so many times over the years with such success, that I feel that it is one of our great herbs. [Dr. Christopher¹s Newsletter 1-12]

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Hi Julie,

 

She can mix it with hot water, cold water, fruit juices, vegetable juices, put it on her oatmeal, eat it straight from the spoon. Anyway, she can get it down. But don't use the caps as they take too long to dissolve. She needs to get the cayenne in her system fast. As long as she don't mind breathing fire then she will be okay and definitely benefit from taking cayenne.

Feel free to ask any questions you have. I or someone else will be able to help you out.

 

Love and light,

 

Don Quai

 

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the14th_moon2000 <the14th_moon

herbal remedies

Monday, February 03, 2003 1:46 AM

[herbal remedies] Re: stroke

Hi Don,You wrote>>>I would suggest getting the hottest cayenne you can find, powdered and starting her on 1/8 tspn. 3 times a day and continue this for 1 week then up the dosage to maybe 1/4 tspn. 3 times a day and keep working on this until she is taking a minimum of 1 tspn. 3 times per day or more.<<<<<And she just mixes it with hot water and drinks it down? I'm thinking yes...She loves hot foods so this will be fine with her. I know I'll be back with more questions as I read the rest of the recipes you've shared. julieFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Scalp acupuncture, with estim, on opposite side.

Hurry- JG

--- Nicole Wallis <nicole_wallis wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I'm curious if anyone here has had much to do with

> rehabilitation after a

> stroke. I havn't, but my grandma's just had a

> pretty major stroke (or 2

> within 48 hours, little right side stroke, followed

> by a big left side

> stroke). Her ability to move is limited, though

> they got her walking with

> assistance today, she comprehends, but things are

> muddled, and she can't

> talk at the moment. She wrote her name yesterday

> but all the letters were

> wrong, though she got the vowels and constonants in

> the right place. The

> strokes took place a week ago and she is steadily

> improving. Drs think this

> is blood clots, but arn't sure. Has anyone had any

> success in treating such

> a case? Any questions, i'll find out answers.

>

> Thanks for your help,

>

> Nicole.

>

>

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Subhuti Dharmananda at ITM has a lengthy essay on scalp acu for strokes,

etc. It was part of a START mailing a year or so ago. You might contact them

for a copy (800)544-7504 or itmonline.org.

 

ann

 

 

> Scalp acupuncture, with estim, on opposite side.

> Hurry- JG

> --- Nicole Wallis <nicole_wallis wrote:

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I'm curious if anyone here has had much to do with

> > rehabilitation after a

> > stroke. I havn't, but my grandma's just had a

> > pretty major stroke (or 2

> > within 48 hours, little right side stroke, followed

> > by a big left side

> > stroke). Her ability to move is limited, though

> > they got her walking with

> > assistance today, she comprehends, but things are

> > muddled, and she can't

> > talk at the moment. She wrote her name yesterday

> > but all the letters were

> > wrong, though she got the vowels and constonants in

> > the right place. The

> > strokes took place a week ago and she is steadily

> > improving. Drs think this

> > is blood clots, but arn't sure. Has anyone had any

> > success in treating such

> > a case? Any questions, i'll find out answers.

> >

> > Thanks for your help,

> >

> > Nicole.

[Guest guest]

Nicole

 

Go to www.itmonline.org/arts/newscalp.htm for Subhuti's synopsis of

scalp acupuncture.

If you can treat her as soon as possible the better. I'm not sure where you

might be but you can usually perform treatments in the hospital as long as

waivers of liablity are signed. For sure blood stasis, phlegm and wind are

underlying patterns. Once you start treatments you need to be as diligent as

possible in continuing daily or every second day treatments. Be prepared for

a lengthy process of a few months of treatments like this.

Electroacupuncture on scalp areas can achieve some good along with the

specific body points and auricular points. I find the Pantheon micro/milli

current easier to take for most elderly patients. Recovery varies but you

can help immensely in getting your grandma back into social participation as

there is nothing else that will be done for her and she can degenerate

otherwise. Should you need specifics once you get involved you can contact

me.

 

Rod

 

 

 

 

 

> " Nicole Wallis " <nicole_wallis

>stroke

>

>

>Hi all,

>

>I'm curious if anyone here has had much to do with rehabilitation after a

>stroke.

 

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estim: even stimulation? is this what you mean? i'm not going to see her

for 5 more weeks, has anyone any experience? I have written information on

scalp acupuncture in my files somewhere, and can dig it out. The hurry: is

5 weeks leaving it too long? what kind of results have people had?

 

>Message: 1

> Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:17:37 -0800 (PST)

> John Garbarini <johnlg_2000

>Re: stroke

>

>Scalp acupuncture, with estim, on opposite side.

>Hurry- JG

>--- Nicole Wallis <nicole_wallis wrote:

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I'm curious if anyone here has had much to do with

> > rehabilitation after a

> > stroke. I havn't, but my grandma's just had a

> > pretty major stroke (or 2

> > within 48 hours, little right side stroke, followed

> > by a big left side

> > stroke). Her ability to move is limited, though

> > they got her walking with

> > assistance today, she comprehends, but things are

> > muddled, and she can't

> > talk at the moment. She wrote her name yesterday

> > but all the letters were

> > wrong, though she got the vowels and constonants in

> > the right place. The

> > strokes took place a week ago and she is steadily

> > improving. Drs think this

> > is blood clots, but arn't sure. Has anyone had any

> > success in treating such

> > a case? Any questions, i'll find out answers.

> >

> > Thanks for your help,

> >

> > Nicole.

> >

> >

 

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Nicole

 

Five weeks is a long time to begin treatment because of the stiffening of

the phlegm in the limbs and the blood stasis. These can create a possible

reoccurence of the strokes which is what can very well happen. Blood

pressure is monitored / hbp meds can be perscribed and CT scans determine if

blood vessels are blocked or infarctions have ocurred. Your fighting an

uphill battle at 5 weeks just trying to move congealed substances that by

now have entered into the jing luo network.If five weeks is the only time

you can do this, you have to reconcile yourself to doing your best and

start with the scalp accupuncture and do the differential diagnosis to move

phlegm/blood, and organ diagnosis with appropriate formulas to do so. By now

everything is weak and excess at the same time. For the most part the

brains's access to speech centres and motor sensory areas has been blocked

and fibrogin/phlegm and blood clots are blocking access. I really only want

to treat people right after their stroke otherwise after a month it's less

effective and a lot of treatments where results are hard to come by with

anybody who has lost over 50 % of their motor sensory/ voice areas. You can

help some body functions like acid regurgitation, bowel movements, visble

phlegm but there are precious few miracles in the limbs, motor sensory areas

and voice areas unless your prepared to do the treatments daily for months

to see for yourself what kind of results you can get with your granny.

 

Rod

 

 

 

 

> " Rod Le Blanc " <rodleblancdtcm

>RE: Stroke

>

>Nicole

>

>Go to www.itmonline.org/arts/newscalp.htm for Subhuti's synopsis of

>scalp acupuncture.

>If you can treat her as soon as possible the better. I'm not sure where you

>might be but you can usually perform treatments in the hospital as long as

>waivers of liablity are signed. For sure blood stasis, phlegm and wind are

>underlying patterns. Once you start treatments you need to be as diligent

>as

>possible in continuing daily or every second day treatments. Be prepared

>for

>a lengthy process of a few months of treatments like this.

>Electroacupuncture on scalp areas can achieve some good along with the

>specific body points and auricular points. I find the Pantheon micro/milli

>current easier to take for most elderly patients. Recovery varies but you

>can help immensely in getting your grandma back into social participation

>as

>there is nothing else that will be done for her and she can degenerate

>otherwise. Should you need specifics once you get involved you can contact

>me.

>

>Rod

>

" Nicole Wallis " <nicole_wallis

> >stroke

> >

>I'm curious if anyone here has had much to do with rehabilitation after a

> >stroke.

 

>estim: even stimulation? is this what you mean? i'm not going to see her

>for 5 more weeks, has anyone any experience? I have written information on

>scalp acupuncture in my files somewhere, and can dig it out. The hurry: is

>5 weeks leaving it too long? what kind of results have people had?

 

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I know that Doc has posted a Heart Formula, but I wouldn't like to recommend it without Doc's consultation seeing as how you have other stuff going on. I'd really call Doc on this one if I were you.

love

Lisa

 

 

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OlmTrader

herbal remedies

Saturday, April 02, 2005 7:16 PM

Herbal Remedies - stroke

 

hi

i am not a big poster but i just had a stroke..it appears tht my caratoid artery vein whtever id pretty occluded and tht i have a high choolesterol as well as slightly high blood pressure..

 

does anyone have any ideas for me??

[Guest guest]

hi I am not a big poster but I just had a stroke..it appears that my ceratoid

artery vein whatever id pretty occluded and that I have a high cholesterol

as well as slightly high blood pressure..does anyone have any ideas for me??

mike

 

 

MM: try acupuncture and fish oil/flax seed oil to decrease your cholesterol. i

hear cheyanne is good for the blood.

mercurius trismegistus

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

having slightly high blood pressure shouldn't cause a rupture unless there is some blockage.Get off the margarine.I heard this 20 years ago from a group of Docs.They wander why dementure is increasing at a rapid rate. Does anyone know if niacin may be any good in this situation.

Tom

 

 

 

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OlmTrader

herbal remedies

Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:16 AM

Herbal Remedies - stroke

 

hi

i am not a big poster but i just had a stroke..it appears tht my caratoid artery vein whtever id pretty occluded and tht i have a high choolesterol as well as slightly high blood pressure..

 

does anyone have any ideas for me??

 

mikeFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Is it fat or calcium??

Makes a difference how it is treated.

You can have high cholesterol, and still have your arteries clogged

with calcium.

 

 

, " Mercurius

Trismegistus " <magisterium_magnum@s...> wrote:

 

hi I am not a big poster but I just had a stroke..it appears that my

ceratoid

artery vein whatever id pretty occluded and that I have a high

cholesterol

as well as slightly high blood pressure..does anyone have any ideas

for me??

mike

 

 

MM: try acupuncture and fish oil/flax seed oil to decrease your

cholesterol. i hear cheyanne is good for the blood.

mercurius trismegistus

[Guest guest]

lord.I haven't the faintest idea..is there some test that can be done to

find out????

 

 

-

" mk2967 " <mk2967

 

Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:15 AM

Re: stroke

 

 

>

>

>

> Is it fat or calcium??

> Makes a difference how it is treated.

> You can have high cholesterol, and still have your arteries clogged

> with calcium.

>

>

> , " Mercurius

> Trismegistus " <magisterium_magnum@s...> wrote:

>

> hi I am not a big poster but I just had a stroke..it appears that my

> ceratoid

> artery vein whatever id pretty occluded and that I have a high

> cholesterol

> as well as slightly high blood pressure..does anyone have any ideas

> for me??

> mike

>

>

> MM: try acupuncture and fish oil/flax seed oil to decrease your

> cholesterol. i hear cheyanne is good for the blood.

> mercurius trismegistus

>

>

[Guest guest]

In my experience there is tremendous almost immediate

success treating stroke with acupuncture. Call around for a

local practioner and ask if they have had success treating

strokes. The sooner the treatment begins the higher the

success rate. Acupuncture treatment (for stroke) should not

interfere with other prescriptions (like drugs) and work

well with Doc's recommendations or other herbal therapies.

 

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist

Acupuncture is a jab well done

 

 

 

 

Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:16:51 -0500

" OlmTrader " <olmtrader

stroke

 

hi

i am not a big poster but i just had a stroke..it appears

tht my caratoid artery vein whtever id pretty occluded and

tht i have a high choolesterol as well as slightly high

blood pressure..

 

does anyone have any ideas for me??

 

mike

[Guest guest]

There are too books that I would recommend with diets

that will help a stroke or heart attack victim. The

first is called " The Cardiovascular Cure : How to

Strengthen Your Self-Defense Against a Heart Attack

and Stroke " by John P. Cooke, MD and the second is by

Dr. Dean Ornish. I believe it is called " Reversing

Heart Disease " . Kelly

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

I am a former stroke patient. Actually, in 2003 I collapsed of a

heart attack, stroke and liver failure. This was due to a liver

flush drink my naturopath gave me and it seemed to back fire on my

body. Since then, I have fully recooped form everything except my

atrial fibrillation.

 

I guess my questions to you all is:

 

Are any of you on coumadin?

If so, have any of you gone against your doctor and weaned off of it?

Do any of you have atrial fibrillation?

 

I have taken a stand and in November 2004, I slowly weaned off of my

coumadin, even though I'm in chronic afib. My doctor wants me back

on it, but since I'm in my thirties, I cannot see myself living like

a slave with the blood draws and changing my diet to accomadate the

medicine. I currently eat predominately raw foods and a little

cooked foods.

 

My other question is although I'm aware afib is difficult to rid of,

are there any herbs that may help? I've also heard acupuncture may

help.

 

I would greatly apreciate any feedback yo all have.

 

Thanks!

 

Elizabeth

[Guest guest]

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Nancy S+13 <nancy wrote:

 

> How does TCM handle strokes?

>

 

 

 

Herbs to thin the blood and remove stasis, or resolve phlegm. Body and scalp

acupuncture to stimulate awakening of nerves and brain functions.

 

Are there any treatments that are

> recognized as helpful?

>

 

 

 

 

Absolutely! There are hospital wings devoted solely to the TCM treatment of

strokes in Korea. These are integrated treatments, probably include blood

thinning drugs, for instance. But stroke treatments are very well developed

in Asia.

 

I suppose TCM would probably deal with the

> causes long before a stroke ever occurred, wouldn't it?

>

 

 

 

 

Yes, probably. Though it takes years and years before one has the

opportunity to test that theory.

 

In 1998, I saw a guy for " tennis elbow " . However, in the interest of

treating the whole-person, I also prescribed him an herb formula... he

seemed a little impatient with me for asking so many questions about his

poop and such when it was tendinitis in his elbow that was the problem.

 

The formula I wrote for him was based on Long Dan Xie Gan Tang. This is for

Liver Yang rising, a common (TCM) cause for strokes. I eventually backed off

the herb thing at his urging and focused on his elbow which got better in a

short time and he left a happy camper...

 

I saw him again about six years later. He was in a wheel chair having had a

stroke. I wrote him another herb formula without looking at my own records

on his case. I was seeing him in a different clinic, so I didn't have access

to my own notes on his case.

 

But check this out, When I had the time, I went back through my own patient

records and located the formula that I'd written for him way back when...

about 85% of the herbs were identical, still based on Long Dan Xie Gan Tang.

 

It was clear that I was barking up the right tree six years prior. I don't

know for sure that if he had taken that formula for a longer time that he

wouldn't have had the stroke, but it certainly makes you go " hmmm " .

 

-al.

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Several times I considered studying at PCOM and now I wish I had. My

dad just had a stroke a few weeks ago and I'm moving back there to help

care for him. I'm really doubtful about getting acupuncture where they

live. It's out in the middle of nowhere. There's just this feeling

that I wish I could do more to help him.

 

Al Stone wrote:

>

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Nancy S+13 <nancy

> <nancy%40schimelpfening.net>> wrote:

>

> > How does TCM handle strokes?

> >

>

> Herbs to thin the blood and remove stasis, or resolve phlegm. Body and

> scalp

> acupuncture to stimulate awakening of nerves and brain functions.

>

> Are there any treatments that are

> > recognized as helpful?

> >

>

> Absolutely! There are hospital wings devoted solely to the TCM

> treatment of

> strokes in Korea. These are integrated treatments, probably include blood

> thinning drugs, for instance. But stroke treatments are very well

> developed

> in Asia.

>

> I suppose TCM would probably deal with the

> > causes long before a stroke ever occurred, wouldn't it?

> >

>

> Yes, probably. Though it takes years and years before one has the

> opportunity to test that theory.

>

> In 1998, I saw a guy for " tennis elbow " . However, in the interest of

> treating the whole-person, I also prescribed him an herb formula... he

> seemed a little impatient with me for asking so many questions about his

> poop and such when it was tendinitis in his elbow that was the problem.

>

> The formula I wrote for him was based on Long Dan Xie Gan Tang. This

> is for

> Liver Yang rising, a common (TCM) cause for strokes. I eventually

> backed off

> the herb thing at his urging and focused on his elbow which got better

> in a

> short time and he left a happy camper...

>

> I saw him again about six years later. He was in a wheel chair having

> had a

> stroke. I wrote him another herb formula without looking at my own records

> on his case. I was seeing him in a different clinic, so I didn't have

> access

> to my own notes on his case.

>

> But check this out, When I had the time, I went back through my own

> patient

> records and located the formula that I'd written for him way back when...

> about 85% of the herbs were identical, still based on Long Dan Xie Gan

> Tang.

>

> It was clear that I was barking up the right tree six years prior. I don't

> know for sure that if he had taken that formula for a longer time that he

> wouldn't have had the stroke, but it certainly makes you go " hmmm " .

>

> -al.

>

> --

> , DAOM

> Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Nancy S+13 <nancy

wrote:

 

> Several times I considered studying at PCOM and now I wish I had. My

> dad just had a stroke a few weeks ago and I'm moving back there to help

> care for him. I'm really doubtful about getting acupuncture where they

> live. It's out in the middle of nowhere. There's just this feeling

> that I wish I could do more to help him.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is this San Diego PCOM? Chicago? New York?

 

There are recently licensed acupuncturists who don't yet have an office, or

have chosen to do just housecalls, even out in the middle of nowhere. So

don't give up on finding someone who can come out. I'd contact PCOM to see

if they have any recent grads in your area.

 

Assuming you can get someone out to you, they should give him a treatment 5

times per week. This is not a lightweight approach, but then this is not a

lightweight problem either. The sooner you can hit it hard, the better the

clinical outcomes. I've done this very thing and after something like a

month, the patient was up and walking with perhaps 90% the strength that

she'd had prior to the stroke.

 

I don't know what your dad's financial situation is, but many insurances

will cover acupuncture. The going rate for acupuncture is between 70 and 100

bucks per treatment, but these are based on weekly treatments. You might be

able to get a lower price, like in the $40 range with some of these newer

acupuncturists who need the experience. Hopefully they'll be skilled or at

least exposed to some scalp acupuncture techniques and " area " location.

 

You should know also that the longer you weight, the less likely the

acupuncture will be of benefit. I don't treat people outside of six months

within the stroke. That isn't a cut-off date, it is a downward slope, so the

sooner the better.

 

Best of luck to you with this situation,

-al.

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the advice, but unfortunately my dad doesn't live where I

do. I'm moving back to WV to help him. His only insurance is Medicare

so I'm not too optimistic that acupuncture will even be an option.

 

Al Stone wrote:

>

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Nancy S+13 <nancy

> <nancy%40schimelpfening.net>>

> wrote:

>

> > Several times I considered studying at PCOM and now I wish I had. My

> > dad just had a stroke a few weeks ago and I'm moving back there to help

> > care for him. I'm really doubtful about getting acupuncture where they

> > live. It's out in the middle of nowhere. There's just this feeling

> > that I wish I could do more to help him.

> >

>

> Is this San Diego PCOM? Chicago? New York?

>

> There are recently licensed acupuncturists who don't yet have an

> office, or

> have chosen to do just housecalls, even out in the middle of nowhere. So

> don't give up on finding someone who can come out. I'd contact PCOM to see

> if they have any recent grads in your area.

>

> Assuming you can get someone out to you, they should give him a

> treatment 5

> times per week. This is not a lightweight approach, but then this is not a

> lightweight problem either. The sooner you can hit it hard, the better the

> clinical outcomes. I've done this very thing and after something like a

> month, the patient was up and walking with perhaps 90% the strength that

> she'd had prior to the stroke.

>

> I don't know what your dad's financial situation is, but many insurances

> will cover acupuncture. The going rate for acupuncture is between 70

> and 100

> bucks per treatment, but these are based on weekly treatments. You

> might be

> able to get a lower price, like in the $40 range with some of these newer

> acupuncturists who need the experience. Hopefully they'll be skilled or at

> least exposed to some scalp acupuncture techniques and " area " location.

>

> You should know also that the longer you weight, the less likely the

> acupuncture will be of benefit. I don't treat people outside of six months

> within the stroke. That isn't a cut-off date, it is a downward slope,

> so the

> sooner the better.

>

> Best of luck to you with this situation,

> -al.

>

> --

> , DAOM

> Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

>

>

[Guest guest]

 Hi Al! How's it going? Hope all is well.

 I wanted to ask you if I could use the story below with full attribution to

you? Newsletter type thing, or website.

 Personally, I take great risks to drive this point home. I feel that many

times the small injury or disharmony is a pretext for the larger issue to come

to light, and I take it as my responsibility to connect with the patient such

that we can see the real reason for the visit and look at the possibilities and

become preventative in our outlook. I've made one of my clinical goals to get

people out of the perceptive box that small things are " just " this or that, and

instead to see small things for what they are: seeds.

 Anyway, thanks for sharing this one.

 Hugo

 

 

 

 

Al Stone <al

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Tuesday, 6 May, 2008 11:44:47 AM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Stroke

 

 

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Nancy S+13 <nancy@schimelpfenin g.net> wrote:

 

> How does TCM handle strokes?

>

 

Herbs to thin the blood and remove stasis, or resolve phlegm. Body and scalp

acupuncture to stimulate awakening of nerves and brain functions.

 

Are there any treatments that are

> recognized as helpful?

>

 

Absolutely! There are hospital wings devoted solely to the TCM treatment of

strokes in Korea. These are integrated treatments, probably include blood

thinning drugs, for instance. But stroke treatments are very well developed

in Asia.

 

I suppose TCM would probably deal with the

> causes long before a stroke ever occurred, wouldn't it?

>

 

Yes, probably. Though it takes years and years before one has the

opportunity to test that theory.

 

In 1998, I saw a guy for " tennis elbow " . However, in the interest of

treating the whole-person, I also prescribed him an herb formula... he

seemed a little impatient with me for asking so many questions about his

poop and such when it was tendinitis in his elbow that was the problem.

 

The formula I wrote for him was based on Long Dan Xie Gan Tang. This is for

Liver Yang rising, a common (TCM) cause for strokes. I eventually backed off

the herb thing at his urging and focused on his elbow which got better in a

short time and he left a happy camper...

 

I saw him again about six years later. He was in a wheel chair having had a

stroke. I wrote him another herb formula without looking at my own records

on his case. I was seeing him in a different clinic, so I didn't have access

to my own notes on his case.

 

But check this out, When I had the time, I went back through my own patient

records and located the formula that I'd written for him way back when...

about 85% of the herbs were identical, still based on Long Dan Xie Gan Tang.

 

It was clear that I was barking up the right tree six years prior. I don't

know for sure that if he had taken that formula for a longer time that he

wouldn't have had the stroke, but it certainly makes you go " hmmm " .

 

-al.

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.