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" Steve Wells " <wells wrote:

 

> Since in 'my belief' it is significant emotional experiences that

>often give rise to beliefs, tapping is useful for releasing the

>emotional attachment to the belief.

 

Haha!

 

I love it.

 

I'm curious to what 'experience' caused you to have a 'significant

emotional experience' to install such a belief. (joke)

 

Actually I shouldn't ask that because I'm sure my beliefs at

my " current age " are evolved from the same model.

 

I'm sure anyone in EP (hopefully) already knows that's what tapping

does...removes the negative charge (emotion) around a belief.

 

So what happens to their values? What happens to their identity?

There is an entire stucture there that is affected.

 

> Some people seem to believe that tapping will always change

>beliefs, but that isn't always true in my experience - what IS

>important is releasing the emotional intensity not the belief

>itself. Without emotional intensity, beliefs no longer affect us,

>although they may still inform us.

 

Using your first postulate above, " if there is no longer an emotional

charge " I wonder if it can be classified as a " belief " ?

 

Especially 'if' some other outcome is installed that the old 'BS'

used to stop but no longer is active in that way because the new

behaviour that they can do installs a new " BS " ?

 

The new and different experiences install the new belief, which in

turn changes their values and their identity.

 

Especially if we can now hold a snake in our hands and we find it

beautiful?

 

The fear (negative charge) is gone. We can touch a snake and be safe

(identity). We find it beautiful instead of creepy and vicious

(values). Interesting.

 

So it seems like to affect a belief the most effectively in might be

very important to also access their values and identity.

 

And if there is no charge, don't those old beliefs become a part of

the past set of beliefs that no longer affect us...especially when a

new belief, or behavior in installed?

 

If it seems like I'm rambling it's because your statements are

triggering a mind-map of tangent thoughts. Thank you.

 

> Do clients need to have an emotional experience in order to change?

>I think yes, typically, they wouldn't come to us if they weren't

>already having a bad emotional experience that they want to change...

 

Good point. My own experiences show the following. If the negative

emotional experience is not over a seven they probably won't look for

methods that can help. And generally speakings if the SUDS is under a

5 they feel they are 'okay'.

 

I always energy test their SUDS as a verification process to them

about the old energy charge and the new, different energy charge.

Makes a world of difference to install a 'convincer' that they can

see and feel.

 

> However, is it our job to " give " our clients emotional responses?

> I prefer to think we are giving them the opportunity to access and

>process their own emotional experiences, drawing this out from

>within the client themselves...

 

Nice reframe.

 

We don't give it to them but we draw it out from them. You mean we

don't ring a bell as we give them food? But find the bell they are

already ringing...but they don't know it?

 

To give them that opportunity to access and process their emotional

experiences we can do a Milton model intervention ( " remember a

time... " ) of hypotically associating them into that first time

negative experience so that we can do an intervention with our chosen

method at the time that it will do the most good.

 

(I know I'll get arguments on this according to their profiles of

right-wrong, good-bad. Some 'believe' emotional pain is never

necessary. Oh well. That's why we occupy different bodies with

different minds and personalities.)

 

So if a client comes in with a 8 on the SUDS (0-10 scale) and you

associate him into the event, the armoring drops away and all of a

sudden the SUDS has climbed to 14...and he's trembling and sweating

profusely...

 

Now at least we know what specifically to help him with.

 

I love it.

 

Thank you Steve. I learned much from your post.

 

John La Tourrette, PhD

PS With Richard Bandler, I've only known him to be caring,

compassionate and to work with people from his heart. Now I did start

NLP in 1980 and never met RB until 1999, almost 20 years later. That

was due to my original 'trainer's' installing negative BS about

Richard to me (and the rest of us) and I never took the time to go

and see for myself. A simple BS installation of " first thing into the

mind stays " . I was co-teaching with John LaValle back in the late

90's and he invited me to a RB event to 'see for myself' and make up

my own mind (one of my convincer meta-programs) so I went and

enjoyed. I've only good things to say about Richard Bandler. I also

adore his new book.

 

> Keep well

>

> Steve Wells

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