Torn rotator cuff

[Guest guest]

My own torn rotator cuff experience was, well at this point I can call it a wonderful learning experience. At the time of the injury and the following attempts at any and all natural treatments I could find to avoid surgery it was a sea of broken promises of healing if I would do this, do that, buy these vitamins, have more massages, do more yoga and unproductive therapeutic approaches. The pain was excruciating and almost constant. I finally had to go with the surgery as I did not want to live with that kind of pain and being unable to perform everyday activities much less the exercise programs I enjoyed. The surgery solved the rotator cuff issue 100%. No more shoulder pain and 100% range of motion and strength of the arm has been returned. Granted, I did do a lot of yoga and worked with an excellent movement analyst to get to that final result. However....I ended up with carpel tunnel syndrome issues with my hand as a result of the sling used to hold the shoulder in place which left the hand hanging at the wrist. Carpal tunnel is treatable naturally although my hand is still somewhat smaller frrom atrophy and you can still see the tendons in the fingers. There is no more pain and the strength is about normal. Anyway, my suggestion would be to determine how bad your tear is as the first step. Many small tears people learn to live with. Try everything natural available and see if it works for you and if not and you can't live with it pain wise and function wise, surgery does take care of it, although the surgery/recovery period is not a walk in the park. At this point, I am just glad I have my arm back. I never knew how important a rotator cuff was before this. (Also, Myofascial

therapy and self massage for pain management were both helpful.) Shawn & Tracy Lake <stlake wrote: Hello, Does anyone know of some natural treatments to help mend a torn rotator cuff? Any help would

be greatly appreciated. Peace and love, Tracy.

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[Guest guest]

Are you sure it is torn?

I had shoulder pain for over a year and decided it had to be a torn

rotator cuff.

A physical therapist friend tested me with a range of motions and

said it was not torn but more bursa related. The bursa reduces the

friction between the tendon and bone.

She suggested strengthening the muscles in the shoulder to keep them

more balanced.

With a series of exercises using an elastic band and 5 pound

weights, I noticed an improvement in a couple weeks. It has been

six months and there is no aching pain. I am careful with lifting

or carrying heavy items with that arm.

Doc's Deep Tissue Repair Oil with hot and cold compresses helps, too.

If it's one shoulder, don't sleep on that side. And DO NOT keep

this arm in a sling because the shoulder could freeze up.

Cindy

 

 

 

> Hello,

>

> Does anyone know of some natural treatments to help mend a torn

rotator cuff? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Peace and

love, Tracy.

>

[Guest guest]

Jeanne,

You piqued my interest when you mentioned you had a torn rotator cuff and now have full range of motion. I too have this and haven't got full range back. I'm not going to have surgery. I have done PT, massage and a lot of of belt flows around the shoulder and arm and trigger points. I have no pain except when I forget my limits and then my arm goes into excruciating spasms for a few minutes. What EM work did you do? I would like to be able to grasp my hands together and lift them over my head too. Thanks, Lari

[Guest guest]

Hi, Lari,

I used a combination of PT and EM. Although I did about a month of

visiting a PT clinic 3x a week, what really got the momentum going was a

little book I found on amazon: " Treat Your Own Rotator

Cuff " by Jim Johnson. His drills are superior to what my

clinic was offering, and I could do them at home.

For EM, I never did the belt drills at all--maybe I should have--but the

main thing for me was keeping the rest of my body balanced, happy, and

strong. My MD, who at first insisted I " must " have the

surgery, said that one reason is that people with RC injuries tend to get

sick more often, listing several unpleasant diseases (like shingles and

pneumonia) that somehow seem to appear after RC problems.

This made me think about " why " that might be, and it seemed

that perhaps it could be happening because of all the meridians that pass

through the shoulder area. I don't know about you, but when

something hurts me somewhere, I have a tendency to tighten up in that

area--and it seemed to me that this could block the energy flows for

those meridians. (If I'm wrong, someone will correct me!) So I

worked to flush and strengthen those meridians.

EM or just visualization--I used a good deal of Silva, but other systems

would probably work well too. Specifically, I visualized the result

I wanted, as well as seeing myself doing the drills daily, going through

the entire routine in my mind that I would later do physically. I

saw myself stretching just a weeeee bit further, doing just a little

more, every time. Baby steps lead to giant results.

I figured that the proof of the success would be when I could pysically

do the yoga pose I mentioned, so I visualized it regularly, and began by

just bringing my hands together behind me, then bit by bit, bringing my

arms up, sometimes a tiny bit at a time. Eventually, I could do

it. I think anyone can do the same, if they do the drills.

That's the thing: you have to do them daily or at least as regularly as

possible to make it all work.

Let me add here that it needs to be done very gently--no point in

re-injuring the injury! Stretching, not yanking, for

instance.

One lady I know swears by her TENS unit for relaxing her shoulder before

and after doing the drills, that's another thought--I think they're

rather inexpensive these days. I don't know how they might affect

the energy system, or if they do at all.

There was a guy who was at the PT clinic at the same time I was who had

the surgery done. He was still painfully doing the pulleys and so

on, and it had been six months. His wife said he'd been told by his

doctors that he'd NEVER have much range of motion, in part because of his

advanced age. He was 66; I'm 65. I feel very fortunate to

have alternatives to regular medical care. Perhaps I need a tinfoil

hat, though, because sometimes I wonder if some PT clinics sort of

" like " to keep you coming back....??

My next project, especially now that winter is around the corner--to stay

mindful when walking, especially if there's ice under foot!

At 07:42 PM 10/22/2008, you wrote:

Jeanne,

You piqued my interest when you mentioned you had a torn rotator cuff and

now have full range of motion. I too have this and haven't

got full range back. I'm not going to have surgery. I have

done PT, massage and a lot of of belt flows around the shoulder and arm

and trigger points. I have no pain except when I forget my

limits and then my arm goes into excruciating spasms for a few

minutes. What EM work did you do? I would like to be able to

grasp my hands together and lift them over my head too.

Thanks,

Lari

[Guest guest]

Jeanne,

Thanks for the great information, much

appreciated. I will incorporate what you suggested into what I am

doing. I agree with you that surgery is not an option. I always

thought it was funny that I had to go to PT to build up my muscles to then have

surgery to then be in a sling with NO movement or exercise for 5 weeks and then

PT again. Excuse me but 5 weeks immobilized just undoes all the previous

work. I’m already farther ahead than most…and my goal is over

my head. J I am going to look up the book by Jim Johnson also.

 

Thanks again,

 

 

 

 

Lari

[Guest guest]

, " lariward "

<lariward wrote:

> my goal is over my head. :-) I am going to look up the book by Jim

Johnson also.

> Lari

 

I'm really curious to " if you've used EP tactics " with that.

 

We've had tremendous success with things (like rotator cuffs, knees,

and hips) that seemed to have needed 'cutting', but with proper peanut

massage, olive oil injesting and EP, have literally disappeared

overnight.

 

One lady who 'needed' a hip replacement was walking good in 3 days, and

2 years later is doing great.

 

That was with a 'reframe', then a story about someone else that took

olive oil...and then someone else that did some specific isometrics.

 

She wanted to know more about the isometrics so I showed her how on a

door jam.

 

John M. La Tourrette, PhD

[Guest guest]

hi, sorry to sound so dumb , but what is EP ? i have a torn rc of 4 months, lots

of pain, haven't gone to any dr.  thanks,, laura

 

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, docspeed2001 <docspeed2001 wrote:

 

docspeed2001 <docspeed2001

Re: Torn rotator cuff

 

Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 6:33 PM

 

, " lariward "

<lariward wrote:

> my goal is over my head. :-) I am going to look up the book by Jim

Johnson also.

> Lari

 

I'm really curious to " if you've used EP tactics " with that.

 

We've had tremendous success with things (like rotator cuffs, knees,

and hips) that seemed to have needed 'cutting', but with proper peanut

massage, olive oil injesting and EP, have literally disappeared

overnight.

 

One lady who 'needed' a hip replacement was walking good in 3 days, and

 

2 years later is doing great.

 

That was with a 'reframe', then a story about someone else that took

olive oil...and then someone else that did some specific isometrics.

 

She wanted to know more about the isometrics so I showed her how on a

door jam.

 

John M. La Tourrette, PhD

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Ah yes

EP. It took awhile to “remember” that, but yes I did use it

and that is what first took the edge off the pain and then it added to my

increased range of motion. I also used it to reframe my

thoughts, which I realized were holding me in a belief that you can’t

heal a tear. It also helped realizing how much I was “carrying”

on my shoulders and releasing the stress around that. I have been taking

castor oil gel caps which REALLY make a difference to all your joints. I

didn’t know about olive oil. I’m going to get the peanut oil

out tonight. Thanks for the reminder. My bugaboo still is the sharp

gotcha pain when I forget there is a problem and I reach beyond my current

range of motion. For that I hold points on my upper arm and can

usually calm it down in a minute. I want perfect…without the

restrictions. J Thanks Jack.

 

 

 

 

 

Lari Ward

Get Clarity!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of docspeed2001

Tuesday,

October 28, 2008 4:33 PM

To:

 

 

Re: Torn rotator cuff

 

 

 

 

,

" lariward "

<lariward wrote:

> my goal is over my head. :-) I am going to look up the book by Jim

Johnson also.

> Lari

 

I'm really curious to " if you've used EP tactics " with that.

 

We've had tremendous success with things (like rotator cuffs, knees,

and hips) that seemed to have needed 'cutting', but with proper peanut

massage, olive oil injesting and EP, have literally disappeared

overnight.

 

One lady who 'needed' a hip replacement was walking good in 3 days, and

2 years later is doing great.

 

That was with a 'reframe', then a story about someone else that took

olive oil...and then someone else that did some specific isometrics.

 

She wanted to know more about the isometrics so I showed her how on a

door jam.

 

John M. La Tourrette, PhD

[Guest guest]

, " lariward "

<lariward wrote:

 

> difference to all your joints. I didn't know about olive oil.

 

It's one of those 'secret' Edgar Cayce remedies that seem too simple

to work.

 

I'd told people about it for year but it was only this year that

I 'decided' to actually take it daily as a routine.

 

All my aches and pains literally disappeared.

 

John M. La Tourrette, PhD

 

> I'm going to get the peanut oil out tonight. Thanks for the

>reminder.

 

A minimum of 10 minutes hands-on massage, and do it for at least a

couple of months. On some of the Edgar Cayce readings no healing was

noticed until about a year. It was referencing a neck spinal injury.

 

With my knees, I notice it the next day.

 

>My bugaboo still is the sharp gotcha pain...

 

Tissue sticking out.

 

So a slow rotation exercise will really help to smooth it out AFTER

you've been on olive oil for a week.

 

Have fun healing.

 

John M. La Tourrette

[Guest guest]

>Have fun healing.

 

Thanks…and will do!!

 

 

 

 

 

Lari

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

,

" lariward "

<lariward wrote:

[Guest guest]

Hi Doc, and everyone else who has posted on this topic.

 

I want to get out a quick Thank You for this thread. I've been having

problems with my knees for a couple of years now. Old stuff,

aggravated. The olive Oil works! I too thought it was too darn simple.

 

There is really nothing like actually DOING the drill. Heh, imagine

that...

 

Rotator cuff also. Again, old stuff. Rock climbing, skiing, etc. the

results of an overtly active lifestyle...

 

That's coming back too.

 

I did order the book " Treat Your Own Rotator Cuff " by Jim Johnson. He

also has one for knees so I ordered that too.

 

I have a friend at the gym who had a rotator tear. He followed his

doctors advice and had surgery. Now his shoulder is atrophied and is

not coming back to anything approaching normal. He just had another

MRI. I wonder what his doctor is going to recommend ...?

 

Thanks again,

 

Mark Holt

 

, " docspeed2001 "

<docspeed2001 wrote:

>

> , " lariward "

> <lariward@> wrote:

>

> > difference to all your joints. I didn't know about olive oil.

>

> It's one of those 'secret' Edgar Cayce remedies that seem too simple

> to work.

>

> I'd told people about it for year but it was only this year that

> I 'decided' to actually take it daily as a routine.

>

> All my aches and pains literally disappeared.

>

> John M. La Tourrette, PhD

>

> > I'm going to get the peanut oil out tonight. Thanks for the

> >reminder.

>

> A minimum of 10 minutes hands-on massage, and do it for at least a

> couple of months. On some of the Edgar Cayce readings no healing was

> noticed until about a year. It was referencing a neck spinal injury.

>

> With my knees, I notice it the next day.

>

> >My bugaboo still is the sharp gotcha pain...

>

> Tissue sticking out.

>

> So a slow rotation exercise will really help to smooth it out AFTER

> you've been on olive oil for a week.

>

> Have fun healing.

>

> John M. La Tourrette

>

[Guest guest]

How much

olive oil do you take per day and in what form. Can I just use it on a salad

or???

 

 

 

 

 

Lari

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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