Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 <director wrote: > I am on the other end of the spectrum from those who require stats >and rigorous double-blind testing to prove their experience " real " . >And here I'm talking about the hard science researcher and no one in >specific. But what is " real " ? I'm sure we could go around the >Philosopher's Stone on that one but such is not the purpose of this >forum. Hi Maryam, Thank you for replying. I 'sort of' agree with you here. I'm not on either end, but in the middle somewhere. If it's in a field which I'm attracted to because of my core values and interests to learning and doing better every day...then I'm first a " prove it " to me type of guy. Once it's proven/validated I'm easy unless something really 'way out' comes up. > By no significance, I mean that I have no particular emotion about >the number - there is neutral emotion on a SUD of 2 as one of 7 or >10 or 100. The emotion is in the incident, not in the numbers. Where >I've seen most people bog down in working on their issues is in >placing significance on the number and getting into story around >that. Interesting. Different ways of paying 'attention', I guess. What I've noticed is something quite different (I do sort by 'differences' first and then 'how else'). First is the teaching of what the SUDS means to them so they have a specific method of calibration of their emotion of the incident. Then letting them learn how-to-calibrate that SUDS of the incident so that a verification with an energy test is valid as far as enhancing their calibration of what is happening or not happening. So for most it can become a means of motivation and of validation. But then I've had a client or two that 'believed' subjectively that their SUDS was still high, a 6 or 7, but on the Energy Test their SUDS was only a two or less. So their attachment to their 'problem' was still there because of a belief, but subconsciously and energitically the 'problem' was gone, or at least much less than they perceived it. So then we worked on their 'attachment'. > My point was that in the past when I felt urgency to reply to an >incendiary or provocative comment right away, Been there, done that. And it usually turned out to be my learning experience but didn't mean much to them except to give them a focus point to vent their anger, which can be fun for Wood Elements, but ugly for Earth Elements. My frame on answering a post is to do it with 'timelyness', just because I feel it is more polite and respectful to reply within 24 hours if I feel a reply should be done. That presupposes that I'm answering from the position of " being polite, respectful and informative " . There are exceptions of course. > the attachment to speaking up entirely. Hence I tend to be mainly >quiet on lists such as this as I've found you can learn far more >with your mouth closed and eyes open, than the other way around. > Your mileage may of course, vary. It does. And I do agree with the part about the 'reason why we have two eyes and two ears and one mouth'. According to some philosophies we are supposed to pay attention four times as much as we spend speaking our own opinons. And if one figures out the other has no clue to what they are deleting, distorting and all that they don't know about, just ignoring them might be very valuable on a personal private level. To me that would be a dis-service to others on the list. Here's why I think that way. Many people are pursuaded by volume and not by correct or incorrect information. So if someone states something as 'fact' but it is only their opinion which facts and experiences do not support, you might be doing other readers a dis-service by not replying. And when you do reply in a respectful way with proper information on your research and experiences you will then be doing something important for the list, which is giving other readers more to read and calibrate on their own what to do or to not do. Here's another point which I feel is important. For me to learn and to clarify my own thoughts I need to be able to express what was said in a way I can understand, and writing a reply is very benifical for me. If I don't write it out (whether I send it or not) than I tend to delete all my own internal " yes, but if XYZ is done, then...blab, blab... " So when I study anything, ie Fred's books, John Diepold's method, Donna's Energy Medicine, etc, I need to underline, write in the margins, and anything I disagree with, or can add to, I need to actually write it out so I can clarify my own thoughts. Then I need to grab some bodies and do drills with them. But that's just me from a digital, kinesthetic viewpoint of my learning preferences. Nice talking with you Maryam. John M. La Tourrette, PhD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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