RE: For those that do THETA HEALING effectively...

[Guest guest]

Well, I used to use a " mental ticker " at the theta frequency - in other words,

playing back the " theta sound " inside my head to help me get there.

 

I still do sometimes.

 

But, I mean, there's a difference between just going down to theta vs using

theta and remote healing, because you're doing the scanning and the emotions

also.

 

One of the things that helps me know I'm at theta, besides the " feeling of being

there " (after doing the conditioning exercises a bunch of times) is at theta my

mental pictures are more vivid, more clear.

 

I can remember what an apple looks like, for instance, and I can pretend I'm

seeing and / or holding an apple, but that mental projection is more " real " to

me at theta.

 

Also, at the deeper levels, the internal dialog doesn't seem to interfere. The

presupposition of " this is what I want to do " doesn't seem to have any of the

tag ends.

 

At theta it's also easier to " become the other person " or to notice what they

are thinking, feeling, what's going on with them. I'm stronger on the K and

emotional parts of that than picking up their visuals (what they're seeing right

now), but it's a lot easier to do at the deeper levels of brain wave.

 

Whenever someone tells me they " can't " put on someone else's head and pretend

they're that person, I'm almost always pretty sure they didn't go down to the

right level of mind.

 

Another thing, when I'm at theta, and I'm scanning someone, I will see images or

impressions, and they are like telepathic flashes of insight and " knowing " .

Well, I say theta, but I'm scanning them, and I have an intention, so it's

probably theta plus something else - maybe gamma (or high beta or whatever you

want to call it). It just seems to work better for me when that EMOTION is

added in (of caring in some way about connecting with that person for whatever

purpose), because if I just go to theta without the emotional content, I'm more

like a zombie just laying there almost asleep maybe " watching " mental pictures

(like dreams) moving around in my mind.

 

I might add more to this later. I'm out with the laptop, and the music here is

loud and isn't really what I'd consider " music " .

 

By the way, I was attempting to get to theta plus gamma earlier tonight, and the

auditory distraction in my LEFT ear kept bumping me out of state.

 

I know at the right level of mind, I could have had negative hallucination and

those sounds wouldn't have even registered, but I wasn't down to that level yet.

I think sometimes it's easier to ignore distractions AFTER getting to that level

than it is to get to that level while the distractions are there. I don't know

what might have happened if I had switched my attention to visual and

kinesthetic instead of paying attention to the loud, distracting auditory that

was annoying me (people).

 

I was playing my own music on the laptop (with headphones) to drown the crap

music here out, but I sense an opportunity to do a training drill

 

The ear plugs I brought with me would probably be easier...

 

Jim

 

 

 

 

 

 

>docspeed2001 <docspeed2001

>Feb 27, 2009 5:58 PM

>

> For those that do THETA HEALING

effectively...

>

>Hi group,

>

>There are many on this group that do theta healing.

>

>I am curious to how you know that you are at theta.

>

>What is your internal signals that give you that assurance?

>

>What is your brain wave?

>

>How do you do coherance?

>

>Etc?

>

>Any takers?

>

>John La Tourrette, PhD

>

>

>

>---

>

>

[Guest guest]

(Moderator's note: Tommy's neat post is about what " I " (John La Tourrette, PhD)

teach as " heaing from the theta/gamma zone™ " , and NOT about Vianna's Theta

Healing. There is a massive difference.)

 

Cool post.

 

Most are not this interesting!

 

O and while I am here one of your previous ones o empathy was great.

 

There was enough information there to do several seminars or several books.

 

But back to topic.

 

I know I am at theta because you told me I was and I rememored that feeling .

 

I feel like I am inside my body or head very deep. I can feel my pulse slow

down and my breathing feels certain way. My vision changes into a certain state

also.

 

I have a friend who has eeg testing equipment.

 

I had him put the electrodes on me and test me several different times.

 

He works with coma patients and people who need to raise their beta and didn't

like what I was doing, but there is a difference between controlled and not

controlled.

 

I pegged his machine down quickly, 10 seconds or less into theta, somewhere in

the 5 to 7 range.

 

What you (Doc) teach works if you do it. I am not sure about

coherence. It is just there.

 

I didn't know that it was there also.

 

I was tested on some equipment for something else and they said that I was one

of the most balanced they had ever tested.

 

I think that balancing the charkas did that. But I am not sure.

 

Tommy

 

 

On Behalf Of

docspeed2001

Friday, February 27, 2009 5:59 PM

 

For those that do THETA HEALING

effectively...

 

 

 

Hi group,

 

There are many on this group that do theta healing.

 

I am curious to how you know that you are at theta.

 

What is your internal signals that give you that assurance?

 

What is your brain wave?

 

How do you do coherance?

 

Etc?

 

Any takers?

 

John La Tourrette, PhD

[Guest guest]

Hello doc,

 

I do not do it myself...

 

....though I was introduced and taught theta healing by a local practitioner who

I had to refer to you because of new symptoms appearing upon completions of

others.

 

She basically runs energy (as in meditation ) by bringing in cosmic and earth

ernergy with her eyes closed, then her 6th chackra clairvoyance kicks in and

begins theta healing because connection to God is present.

 

Ed Mannucci

 

-

" docspeed2001 "

For those that do THETA

HEALING effectively...

Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:58:49 -0000

 

Hi group,

 

There are many on this group that do theta healing.

 

I am curious to how you know that you are at theta.

 

What is your internal signals that give you that assurance?

 

What is your brain wave?

 

How do you do coherance?

 

Etc?

 

Any takers?

 

John La Tourrette, PhD

 

 

 

 

 

" Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the moments

which take our breath away .....CARPE DIEM "

 

--

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for asking Doc!

 

I have many thoughts to contribute.

 

Just to let you know I am here to learn and do not hold to any of these.

 

I have many thoughts, I don't know if that is a help or a hinderance!

 

First, does it matter?

 

Really! Theta Healing is faith healing based on some scientific principles,

popular fads in new age healing and the experiences of one woman with an amazing

psychic gift. It is taught to and practiced by thousands. At least one woman

has been amazingly successful in curing all sorts of stuff. If the practitioner

and client both feel their time and money is well spent then the session was

successful.

 

But we are really trying to go beyond this here.

 

So you can pick up the theta healing book and work through the guided meditation

that leads to the " Creative Source of all that is " . You will probably get

there. At least in some way or another. But you really are already connected

to the " Creative Source of all that is " . Can you be disconnected from " all that

is? " So again, faith healing, where if you think it works then it works.

 

But again, we are looking for a little more here.

 

So going into measuring where you are with you brain wave coherence. It has

been a while since I was hooked up. I was a test subject at Maharishi

International University for testing brain wave coherence during Transcendental

Meditation. The Dr. behind the curtain said that I demonstrated normal levels

of enlivened coherence during

Transcendental Meditation, along with an irregular strong alpha wave coherence.

He thought it was neat. So did I. I was very impressionable I guess;-)

 

So twenty years later and thousands of hours meditating I feel that I can pretty

easily say that I at least show enlivened coherence during meditation along with

a irregular strong alpha wave coherence;-)

 

But again, we are looking for a little more arn't we.

 

Well, I teach a class about the fundamentals of Theta Healing. It is in

developmental phase, but I feel that I am having good success with my few

students. We go through the path to the " Creative Source of all that is " The

path I developed is a guided meditation through the states of consciousness.

Starting at everyday waking Beta, Then into the relaxed rhythmic state of Alpha,

the lucid imagination state of Theta, then pull consciousness into the

heightened state of " theta gamma " as we connect with the creative source of all

that is.

 

The physical sensation that I am hoping that my students feel is a sparkeling

relaxation at the top of ones head, crown Chakra. It looks and feels like the

noise of an old TV channel that has stopped transmitting. If this feeling is

felt throughout their body all the better.

 

It is when one feels this connection that I know they have connected in a

powerful way.

 

The next lesson in my class is commanding all the states of consciousness.

 

We command to enter Beta, Alpha, Theta, Delta, Theta Gamma. The experience is

usually the understood experience one ascribes to these states. So I feel the

exercise has merit. But then to take the experience farther I instruct the

student to command to be connected

to the " Creator of all that is. " Which is generally a very powerful very awake

feeling, similar, but quite a bit different than connecting to Theta Gamma.

 

The class ends with creating Unconditional Love in every aspect of their lives.

 

Did the student or myself really reach these levels of consciousness?

 

I Couldn't tell you.

 

I have not been hooked for a while. I would say that I think that I do. But I

would really like to learn more to validate or contradict my experience.

 

Hope this helps>

 

William

 

 

 

 

 

, " docspeed2001 "

<docspeed2001 wrote:

>

> Hi group,

>

> There are many on this group that do theta healing.

>

> I am curious to how you know that you are at theta.

>

> What is your internal signals that give you that assurance?

>

> What is your brain wave?

>

> How do you do coherance?

>

> Etc?

>

> Any takers?

>

> John La Tourrette, PhD

>

[Guest guest]

, " William Leigh "

<william4x5 wrote:

>

> Thanks for asking Doc!

 

Thank you William, for contributing.

 

> I have many thoughts to contribute.

> Just to let you know I am here to learn and do not hold to any of these.

 

Cool.

 

> I have many thoughts, I don't know if that is a help or a hinderance!

 

It's a good thing.

 

> First, does it matter?

 

Yes, William, to me it does matter.

 

I'll now tell you why I think that.

 

To me, I need verification and evidence that what is done is effective.

 

And in TH she talks about how her ex-husband was into hypnosis and she learned

how to go to theta level from him.

 

But in TH there is NO hypnosis but there are conditionings WITHOUT hypnosis.

 

Conditionings WITHOUT hypnosis are called affirmations. Affirmations are

'diluted soup' when compared to the massive amounts of prime rib that hypnosis

adds to the pot.

 

Now I LOVE her book.

 

Why?

 

Because I can easily add in the 'stuff-that-makes-it-work' from my previous

learnings and experiences.

 

Unfortunately, most people do NOT have similar learnings and experiences so when

they do that affirmation (you called it meditation) they are DOING IT FROM BETA

BRAIN WAVE and the positive effects they are hoping for just won't happen for

most of them.

 

Now approximately 10% of the population do have that internal mind bridge hookup

accidentally. So for 10 people out of a 100 people that technology might just

work for them every once in a while.

 

But if they are 'out-of-state' it won't even work for the 'naturals'.

 

My point being, why not just add a real centering drill to what is already being

done and be effective on purpose at least 80% of the time instead of 10% or less

of the time?

 

I have been to the training and there IS NO NECESSARY pre-conditions nor

centering drills for building up of consciousness on those inner levels in a way

that can be verified.

 

God, I wish there were.

 

John La Tourrette, PhD

[Guest guest]

I mostly agree with your response.

 

I also feel that there is a complete misunderstanding with what she is teaching

and what she does. She naturally connects. I feel that she connects so

naturally that she really can't imagine a world where there this connection does

not exist.

 

I have traded with a handful or so of practitioners. Almost every one of them

had difficulties with a clear connection. We used the techniques of theta

healing to establish a clear connection. They mentioned later how much more

effective their practice had become.

 

So I agree with you that a simple centering exercise or connection technique is

not understood by most practitioners.

 

But I still ask, " does it matter? "

 

The theta healing premise is that you create you reality through the beliefs

that you hold. And further, through connection to the creator of all that is

you can recreate your reality resulting in Miracles.

 

If this premise is true, then If you believe in this premise you should get the

results.

 

(That was a great koan and you may need to read it a few times!-)

 

So I guess the next argument would be, " How do you connect to the creator more

profoundly to achieve more profound results? "

 

Sounds like learning to center, meditate, connect, visualize etc all should

work. One should practice whatever one needs to believe that it works. We are

looking for results, not theories.

 

Which brings us back to the " Chicken or the Egg " Does one need to enter a Theta

Gama wave pattern to create profound miracles, or when one creates profound

miracles, they enter a Theta Gamma wave pattern?

 

Although I haven't read the papers, (and if you have some links that would be

great) I understand much research supports a Theta Gamma brain wave pattern.

 

When I first started looking into it I read Anna Weiss, " Awakening the Mind " .

Through her EEG research she shows powerful healers show a strong Delta wave. I

have always been surprised that delta doesn't get better support.

 

Also, I really think it is all a little off.

 

You can't recreate the sound of a classic violin by measuring it and duplicating

the violin to exact specifications. It just doesn't work.

 

What does work is practicing and learning from others, understanding and making

decisions and all the while following your heart.

 

If you find a technology that works for you practice it and become better at it.

Challenge your understanding because theories are a dime a dozen, even trying to

understand your own practice often gets caught in communication paradoxes.

Experience is a much stronger teacher.

 

If you believe in miracles you will find them.

 

and

 

One mans miracle is another mans technology!

 

Doc, I don't mean to get preachy here. Some of this is more for the forum than a

personal conversation. I know you understand and may agree with most of what I

am saying. I am finding that you are an Great Sage for anyone that seeks

knowledge of this type.

 

Thank you.

 

 

Wm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " docspeed2001 "

<docspeed2001 wrote:

>

> , " William Leigh "

<william4x5@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks for asking Doc!

>

> Thank you William, for contributing.

>

> > I have many thoughts to contribute.

> > Just to let you know I am here to learn and do not hold to any of these.

>

> Cool.

>

> > I have many thoughts, I don't know if that is a help or a hinderance!

>

> It's a good thing.

>

> > First, does it matter?

>

> Yes, William, to me it does matter.

>

> I'll now tell you why I think that.

>

> To me, I need verification and evidence that what is done is effective.

>

> And in TH she talks about how her ex-husband was into hypnosis and she learned

how to go to theta level from him.

>

> But in TH there is NO hypnosis but there are conditionings WITHOUT hypnosis.

>

> Conditionings WITHOUT hypnosis are called affirmations. Affirmations are

'diluted soup' when compared to the massive amounts of prime rib that hypnosis

adds to the pot.

>

> Now I LOVE her book.

>

> Why?

>

> Because I can easily add in the 'stuff-that-makes-it-work' from my previous

learnings and experiences.

>

> Unfortunately, most people do NOT have similar learnings and experiences so

when they do that affirmation (you called it meditation) they are DOING IT FROM

BETA BRAIN WAVE and the positive effects they are hoping for just won't happen

for most of them.

>

> Now approximately 10% of the population do have that internal mind bridge

hookup accidentally. So for 10 people out of a 100 people that technology might

just work for them every once in a while.

>

> But if they are 'out-of-state' it won't even work for the 'naturals'.

>

> My point being, why not just add a real centering drill to what is already

being done and be effective on purpose at least 80% of the time instead of 10%

or less of the time?

>

> I have been to the training and there IS NO NECESSARY pre-conditions nor

centering drills for building up of consciousness on those inner levels in a way

that can be verified.

>

> God, I wish there were.

>

> John La Tourrette, PhD

>