Guest guest Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Doc, Group, It would be interesting to change this quote to the context of aging. " When you feel old time makes you older. When you feel young time keeps you younger! " And so on... We all may have dissimilar biases about what diet makes us healthy or not. But we all share a bias about what makes us older! Time. Is our life cycle limited? Do we grow up, grow stronger, sustain through middle ages, then deteriorate until we die? Or is their a way to transform our paradigm (or reality strategy) to one where we keep renewing our mind and body including our relationship with our metabolism and digestive health? William Leigh When > – it does! You must understand that because you see people eating similarly with very different results, and you say, " oh yeah, it's their metabolism, " and we say, what do you think metabolism is?! Metabolism is vibrational response to your moment in time. Metabolism is the way the energy is moving through your body, you see. And so *everything* is in response to the way that you feel. Everything is. Everything is mind over matter. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 , " William Leigh " <william4x5 wrote: > > Doc, Group, > > It would be interesting to change this quote to the context of aging. > > " When you feel old, time makes you older. When you feel young, >time keeps you younger! " And so on... Hi William, Well we do need a definition or 2 here, do we not. > We all may have dissimilar biases about what diet makes us healthy or not. But we all share a bias about what makes us older! Time. There has been some great research on this, and the research shows that by doing certain drills and having certain memory enhancers around you that used to be around you when you were 40, you can become 20, 30, or 40 years younger physically, mentally and emotionally. > Is our life cycle limited? Do we grow up, grow stronger, sustain >through middle ages, then deteriorate until we die? Or is their a >way to transform our paradigm (or reality strategy) to one where we >keep renewing our mind and body including our relationship with our >metabolism and digestive health? Chopra covers this pretty good. So did Edgar Cayce and Dr. Harold Reilly. Energy Medicine covers this. So does hypnosis, especially the stuff by Richard Bandler. So does Dilts and his belief structures. Have fun William;-) John La Tourrette, PhD PS. The quote was from Esther Hicks. Most of her stuff really sounds good, but unfortunately is very limited in the how-to's. > William Leigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Fair Enough! I have Chopras book, aging body timeless mind right next to me. Good reading. Understand the basic premises that our attitude, subconscious beliefs, emotional processes etc are all connected and our conscious mind, if we develop the skills can change our subconscious processes, emotions and body functions. The one flaw in everyone that you mentioned is that those guys are dead or will probably die. Their theories are incorrect. Good place to start, but really, not enough.... (My reasoning has some flaws... but Bandler is looking pretty rough... Maybe Chopra will make it past 90.... wanna place bets? Maharishi lived over 100! and of course EC stopped by again for another round!) My present thoughts are around the ideas that the work we are doing may not be good enough. There is a pretty strong belief pattern about getting older and dying. More importantly, our society does a pretty good job of programming us to believe the possibilities that we have as we pass into old age: quite limited. And there is a really strong tendency of almost everyone to die. Sucks, but the statistics are really strong! Now for the clever bit: " Who are we, and how do we relate to others if we begin to grow young? Being alone sucks. If you begin to grow younger, all of your freinds will be growing older. They will die. You may not have anyone to share similar experiences. You will probably die of loneliness " At least that is one way of looking at it! Neat part in Chopra's Book is where one of the towns where people grow incredibly old is a small town full of gossip. The theory is that they have to keep living just to keep up with what is going on! It seems to me that to be really healthy or really old there is a level where attitude is just not enough. Training yourself consciously and subconsciously to be healthier is just not enough. There is a point where you really have to redefine life to yourself in a way that is sustainable. In the human paradigm you have to die. So you actually have to step out of the human paradigm into something else. What else? Don't know, not there.... But it seems to be connected to what we study here: spontaneous remission, regeneration, energy work, going to the place where you renew and rejuvenate yourself. But it is more than this... Taking it to the next level! If it is possible than I figure that there are many who are already there and they are probably looking for new friends! Doc, I am not knocking what you said or what you teach; I would not continue reading or posting here if if I was not continually learning considerable amounts. (I actually consider you in the top five people that I have learned from. I judge learning not in quantities of things or techniques but in expanding of awareness.) I am just trying to push the envelope of what is possible. What if there is more? My present line of reasoning is: if there is more it starts with how you define yourself to yourself and how you relate to others based on that assumption. I don't think these relationships are in terms of qualities of awareness or acts of kindness, but more in terms of how aware you are of potential. Taking this idea back to weight loss.. If you relate to yourself and others in terms of an old fat guy, you will probably become an old fat guy. If you relate to yourself and your potential in terms of a young man capable of learning new things, you will probably feel and act much younger and find ways to challenge yourself. But if you relate to yourself in terms of being beyond the destruction of time, then who have you become? Peace. William , " docspeed2001 " <docspeed2001 wrote: > > , " William Leigh " <william4x5@> wrote: > > > > Doc, Group, > > > > It would be interesting to change this quote to the context of aging. > > > > " When you feel old, time makes you older. When you feel young, >time keeps you younger! " And so on... > > Hi William, > > Well we do need a definition or 2 here, do we not. > > > We all may have dissimilar biases about what diet makes us healthy or not. But we all share a bias about what makes us older! Time. > > There has been some great research on this, and the research shows that by doing certain drills and having certain memory enhancers around you that used to be around you when you were 40, you can become 20, 30, or 40 years younger physically, mentally and emotionally. > > > Is our life cycle limited? Do we grow up, grow stronger, sustain >through middle ages, then deteriorate until we die? Or is their a >way to transform our paradigm (or reality strategy) to one where we >keep renewing our mind and body including our relationship with our >metabolism and digestive health? > > Chopra covers this pretty good. > > So did Edgar Cayce and Dr. Harold Reilly. > > Energy Medicine covers this. > > So does hypnosis, especially the stuff by Richard Bandler. > > So does Dilts and his belief structures. > > Have fun William;-) > > John La Tourrette, PhD > PS. The quote was from Esther Hicks. Most of her stuff really sounds good, but unfortunately is very limited in the how-to's. > > > William Leigh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 , " William Leigh " <william4x5 wrote: > > Fair Enough! I have Chopras book, aging body timeless mind right next to me. Good reading. Yep William, Good 'doing' also. > Understand the basic premises that our attitude, subconscious beliefs, emotional processes etc are all connected and our conscious mind, if we develop the skills can change our subconscious processes, emotions and body functions. Yep. > The one flaw in everyone that you mentioned is that those guys are >dead or will probably die. Their theories are incorrect. Well, let's see. Nathan Pritiken died 20 some years after the MD's said he should. His heart disease did heal, and he did die of something else. Something that is stress related. He also talked about the Tararumara indians (spelling?)that used to be long living and very active to the end...then the ones in the states got on our diet and started dying young. And there is still a group of them in deep Mexico that are continuing on with their old ways and still are healthy and active to the end of a long life time. >Good place to start, but really, not enough.... (My reasoning has >some flaws... but Bandler is looking pretty rough... And he does think that he looks and feels very young. Not my place to disagree. There is always that question, " In comparison to who " ? > Maybe Chopra will make it past 90.... wanna place bets? Maharishi lived over 100! and of course EC stopped by again for another round!) I really think we need to go and reread Heinlein, right? Methuselah's children. And read the last book in that series. Or read the David Weber Honor Harrington series where people go through a process called " prolong " ... So there is no retirement because of age. There is only retirement because of boredom. > My present thoughts are around the ideas that the work we are doing may not be good enough. There is a pretty strong belief pattern >about getting older and dying. Makes sense. So let's all quit living and lay down to die. Especially since there is this thing called retirement (social death) at age 65. >More importantly, our society does a pretty good job of programming us to believe the possibilities that we have as we pass into old age: >quite limited. That is changing. Why? The baby boomers are now middle age. >And there is a really strong tendency of almost everyone to die. I'm pretty sure that it is built into us just like it is built into an automobile. And look at Vitamin C guru L. Pauling. He died at 92, and lead a pretty good life up until close to the end. Now that brings us to religion and philosophy. Which I will not go over on this group, but if you want to broach it on MMES, go ahead. > It seems to me that to be really healthy or really old there is a level where attitude is just not enough. Training yourself >consciously and subconsciously to be healthier is just not enough. It is not enough to live forever on planet earth? How about just extending your life with full functions until you die, and you die 20-50 years later than those who abuse their bodies? Keeping your energies flowing and balanced. Keeping slim and trim and athletic. Keeping an interest in your areas of interest. Not needing the blue pill. Doing what turns you on. For instance I just purchased a very expensive commercial property to launch a new business (s) just because that is fun for me. I suggest that people who are concerned about aging, health and losing it go and buy the 5 years worth of Boston Legal, and look at how Shatner (Denny Crane) handles those concerns. Not only would it be fun, but there is much that is very deep embedded in the story lines. John La Tourrette, PhD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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