Fwd: Earth Element is ONLY ONE of 5...Understand the others...

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creative_energies , " Yael Haran " <harans@z...>

wrote:

Hi John,

 

You ask a question and then answer it yourself and then show why the

answer you give on my behalf is wrong, going on to categorize

me

as " earth " in a simplified elemental system and then you lose me

completely with a lecture of your own choosing, most of which is

quite

valid although not entirely relevant. While I don't mind serving as

a ball for your canon or a trigger to your gun or a blank screen

for your

projections, I do feel the need to clarify the word " spiritual. "

 

I will use your choice playground of the elements. Beyond, within,

and containing all the manifest elements there is space. It is quite

an

active space. While we are in the physical dimension it is present

as much as while we are not. It is beyond the polarities of

good-bad, pleasure-pain, and beyond emotion. Indeed, linear time is

a function of the physical dimension. Within that space there is

no

time (as we know it), just an evolution, which will go on until it

is done.

 

This is something that can be experienced through meditation and

some of the more subtle energetic exercises. As the Little Prince

learned, " Truth is something that can only be seen with the heart " .

I am not going to prove it to you with intellectual manipulations

because whether or not you get to access this tremendous power

depends on attitude - of which you are the ultimate authority.

 

A final point. It is quite easy to deny ourselves deep levels of

freedom by getting ensnared in a superiority-inferiority game. You

will

forgive me if I do not join you in this. In my perception everyone

is a winner, and everyone has a unique perspective on the whole

which

serves the whole.

 

If the earth element came forward with me in that post, it was as

fertile soil for you to grow your wood on.

 

Preparing sausages for the forthcoming barbecue,

 

Yael

 

 

creative_energies , " kahunamaker "

<kahunamaker> wrote:

> > From my perspective and experience, the use of energy work to

help

> >others is an inevitable byproduct of a process of inner growth.

> > When you heal yourself and really move forward, it is healing a

> >world. The impact spreads to others like ripples on a pond. When

> > you evolve in a spiritual sense

>

> Hummmm?

>

> In a spiritual sense?

>

> I am so curious when you use words like that, nominalizations that

> can mean just about anything to anyone.

>

> So, what specifically is that?

>

> A spirit is one that has crossed over to the other side.

>

> So, they are dead.

>

> And, if, as Theosophy states, and as John Edwards has demonstrated

> so many times, they (those spirits) are then in the Astral plane,

> and they have the SAME PERSONALITIES as they had on this 3-D

world,

> so they ARE NO better, nor smarter, nor more evolved than we are

> right now.

>

> So, what's your point?

>

> Dead people are more, what specifically?

>

> Sounds to me like a pure JUDGEMENT CALL, " I believe XXX, and

> therefore I am better that those that believe AAA " ...

>

> Now the first part of your post is PURE EARTH ELEMENT values, and

> they are NOT the only values that mankind has.

>

> The silly presupposition that the use of energy is ONLY to help

> others is just very distorted from how energy is really used.

>

> And it seems to vitually ignore 3 of the primary 57 laws of the

> Universe...

>

> ...particularly...

>

> 1. The law of Deliberate Creation

>

> 2. The law of attraction

>

> 3. The law of Allowing

>

> This Earth is a TRAINING GROUND, and there are many different

> methods of training many different types of personalities.

>

> So all three of the above simplifications are very important.

>

> I suggest that just maybe, looking at the world and taking actions

> by stepping into the shoes of the other elements just might be

> productive...

>

> ...Water Element

>

> ...Wood Element

>

> ...Fire Element

>

> ...and Metal Element

>

> (This, of course is ignoring the Myers-Briggs, and the bio-data

> profiling systems, and the 51 meta-programs specified by Michael

> Hall!)

>

> And, if anyone has difficulty doing that, just find the movie star

> with that " type " and pretend you are them for a day.

>

> Walk in their shoes...see/feel/hear/and intuite what is going on

> around you, inside you, and inside others from that viewpoint.

>

> John M. La Tourrette (aka, Jack Quick Kill)

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