Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 wrote: > the teacher also said this was proven by the fact that yin xu people like to eat rich food to settle their shen. the dampness of the food subbed for the missing yin. This is sounding like what we call " comfort food " . They do calm you down, though you'll end up feeling heavy and greasy. I actually have a patient who is very thin and does suffer from some yin deficiency type restlessness. I have this patient on a weight gain strategy that focuses on vegitable fats such as halvah, nuts, avocado, etc... I'll be interested to see how as this individual gains weight, it effects the shen. -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 There is no doubt that you are correct here, not the speaker. On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 10:13 AM, wrote: > I was also told that blood stasis was almost always due to blood > vacuity and it should mainly be treated with strong blood nourishing, > not blood moving. I would say that blood vacuity is but one cause of > blood stasis and urge all my students to continue to differentiate > their signs and symptoms according to the time honored process of the > four exams and avoid these knee jerk generalizations no matter how > persuasive the speaker may seem. This speaker conveniently hid behind > the shield of an oral tradition of the highest masters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 I have seen something like a 'sheen' on yin xu tongues, but I usually interpret it to be congealing of humor in the stomach when there is stomach yin vacuity. The heat causes any moisture in the stomach to congeal and form phlegm. I think she means a thin, sticky yellow coat by sheen, but I could be wrong. Without a Chinese or pinyin term for this 'sheen' it is impossible to relate this back to any Chinese source on tongues. Also, stomach yin xu can cause false hunger, thus the desire to eat to sooth the stomach. Overeating to'soothe the shen' is also a misinterpretation. Eating heavily of dense foods, especially at nighttime, causes a block in the yang ming channels and the stomach, preventing the wei qi from descending into the yin and blood at nighttime, disturbing sleep. This is hardly soothing to the shen, losing sleep. In more complex patterns involve spleen qi vacuity and/or liver qi depression concurrent with blood and yin vacuity, one may have dampness concurrently with yin vacuity. But I've never seen any source that says that the body produces dampness as a poor substitute for yin fluids. This appears to me to be pure conjecture. Dampness forms from the inability of the spleen to separate the clear and the turbid. Yin vacuity, at best, can produce heat that can congeal dampness and form phlegm. On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 10:13 AM, wrote: > I was told that one of the main reasons for the body to produce > dampness was due to blood and yin vacuity. that the body produced > damp as a poor substitute for the lack of vital fluid substances in > the body. However, Clavey says that dampness can never substitute for > a vital substance and can provide none of its functions. In addition, > if this was true, then why the traditional consensus that blood and > yin tonics worsen dampness. then why are signs of dryness inside and > out the hallmarks of blood and yin vacuity. the teacher said the > evidence was that the yin xu tongue often had a sheen of fluid on it, > denoting dampness layering on the dry tissues. Is everyone familiar > with this sheen? Is that what is means? the teacher also said this > was proven by the fact that yin xu people like to eat rich food to > settle their shen. the dampness of the food subbed for the missing > yin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 I learned the following from a pacific symposium speaker and it was contradictory to what I had learned prior, so I though I'd float it past the group >>>>Who was he? I can see some lively discussions between him and my purging teacher Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Hi Matthew The spleen is responsible for digesting food and separating the pure essence from the food. If it doesn't do this correctly dampness is formed from the pure/impure essence mixture. This is a very rough description. You can find more about TCM theory and nutrition in Paul Pritchford's book " Healing with whole foods " It's very readable. Shad Reinstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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